Why Alvin and not the Feds? Or, why Cohen and not Individual 1?

[Nostra]

Here is another nice story, showing congress using Non-disclosure Agreements. How is this legal but if Trump uses them they are not legal?

Exclusive: Congress requires many unpaid interns to sign nondisclosure agreements

What happens in Congress stays in Congress.

www.vox.com

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We can shut this one down now.

 

[Dadoalex]

You are aware that breaking campaign finance laws would be a federal crime and not one adjudicated in state court.

You are aware that states also have campaign finance laws.

 

[Care4all]

You are aware that breaking campaign finance laws would be a federal crime and not one adjudicated in state court.

Yep, I am aware.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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January 30, 2018 - She was still under the NDA and was basically required to make such a statement or could be sued by FPOTUS#45 for violating the NDA.

She wasn't released from the NDA until later in 2018.

WW

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So why did he pay her?

No idea

Plus I don’t care

Clinton paid Paula Jones

Congress has a $18MM tax payer funded hush fund

Stormy herself is on record saying nothing happened

 

[CrusaderFrank]

January 30, 2018 - She was still under the NDA and was basically required to make such a statement or could be sued by FPOTUS#45 for violating the NDA.

She wasn't released from the NDA until later in 2018.

WW

So it’s a NDA or a lie for $ agreement?

Those are two very different things you mashed together

 

[CowboyTed]

This is nothing more than, what is good for congress is not good for the public.

Congress had it's own hush money fund to pay off the lovers of all the congressman. Now, suddenly, when it comes to Trump, what Congress did for decades is no longer legal?

More politics, weaponizing the Courts, Law, against political enemies. Read it for yourself, here is one example of Congress using money to keep sexual harassment and their mistresses, quiet.

$18.2 Million Congressional Slush Fund for #MeToo Claims

Since 1997, the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights has paid out $18.2 million to settle 291 cases of workplace disputes for Congress, the Capitol Police, the Architect of the Capitol, and the Li

www.realclearpolicy.com

All I know Cohen was sentenced to three years in jail for this crime...

What is Trump getting... Cohen co-operated , Trump did not...

BTW, Bragg has a history of going for this on boths sides...

Survey of Past Criminal Prosecutions for Covert Payments to Benefit a Political Campaign

Surreptitious third-party payments are routinely prosecuted as campaign finance violations in New York and nationally under various statutes.

www.justsecurity.org

The biggest problem Trump has is this:
"In court papers, prosecutors say that Trump tried to stall the Daniels payoff “for as long as possible”. Trump told Cohen that if he could delay the exchange until after the election, they might be able to avoid giving her any money, “because at that point it would not matter if the story became public”

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If they prove this, it is game over for Trump...
While Cohen isn't very reliable, either is Trump... But the payment (11 days before the election) is so close to the election it is hard say that it isn't campaign related.
Add in that it was then falsified on Business Records, you just committed a crime involving undisclosed Campaign donation. This is like robbing a mom and pop post office, it is a serious federal crime.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Because after all.......

Trump makes a desperate attempt to downplay illegal payments to women

President Donald Trump began his week by trying to downplay illegal hush payments to women made late in the 2016 presidential campaign ...

Nothing against the author of the OP, but this is something that irks me.

Paying someone "Hush Money" to not talk about getting boinked by a man whose wife was home having just given birth to his son.

Paying the money was totally legal, it was the way the money was paid that was illegal. For example campaign finance criminal actions by Cohen, falsification of business records - those are illegal.

If the law had been followed right before the election FPOTUS#45 would not be in legal jeopardy:

• Cohen and Stormy attorney agree on NDA
• Stormy and FPOTUS#45 sign the agreement and FPOTUS#45 signs a certified check over to Stormy.
• FPOTUS#45 files the campaign (in-kind) contribution to his campaign financial officer. ***

*** NOTE: Candidates can make unlimited direct contributions (cash) or in-kind contributions (non-cash) to the campaign, however under federal law they are still required to report it. Since the event occurred just days before the election the contributions would not have been reported to the FEC until after the election.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

So it’s a NDA or a lie for $ agreement?

Those are two very different things you mashed together

As I said, under the NDA which was still in effect, she was required to make such a statement or be in legal jeopardy for violating the NDA.

Since it wasn't in court, that is all it was, complying with the NDA.

She wasn't released from the NDA until later in 2018.

WW

 

[berg80]

Your Cult tell you to write that?

Apparently Don and Dave go way back. Dave is another associate who has paid the price of getting too close to the ball of shyte.

Trump escapes FEC punishment for Karen McDougal hush money, but National Enquirer publisher pays settlement

The Federal Election Commission will let former President Donald Trump avoid punishment for directing hush money payments to his alleged ex-mistress Karen McDougal — but the publisher of The National Enquirer agreed to pay more than $187,500 for its role in the scandal, records showed Tuesday.

The FEC recently likewise failed to approve a recommendation from staff that it sanction Trump for directing a $130,000 hush money payout to former porn star Stormy Daniels, who has said she had sex with him years ago, according to the advocacy group Common Cause.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/01/tru...ey-national-enquirer-publisher-pays-fine.html

Two Repubs on the commission protected Trump from accountability.

 

[CowboyTed]

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Doesn't fucking matter if there was an affair or not...

It matters that he paid a pornstar 11 days before the election illegally...

How fucking stupid are ye about the law...

 

[berg80]

Nothing against the author of the OP, but this is something that irks me.

The charges primarily have to do with the falsification of business records resulting from the illegal payments.

 

[postman]

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Maybe you're not familiar with such statements. But for something to carry any legal weight at all, you have to use your real name.

Vanilla Ice might use that to sign autographs, but he signs his paycheck Robert Matthew Van Winkle

 

[WorldWatcher]

The charges primarily have to do with the falsification of business records resulting from the illegal payments.

The payments were not illegal. It is not illegal for a private citizen to pay someone to remain silent about a sexual encounter.

The illegality in the case results from the WAY the payments were made. The method is what is illegal, not the payment themselves.

I understand the salacious nature of the case tends to lead to the use of "hush money", but that isn't the crime.

WW

 

[berg80]

Deadlock at Broken FEC Fails to Enforce Rule of Law on Trump-Daniels Violations

Crystal Mason, a Black woman, was sentenced to five years in prison for inadvertently violating an election law in 2016. She thought she was allowed to vote and filled out a provisional ballot that was never counted. Donald Trump blatantly and intentionally violated federal campaign finance laws on his way to winning the 2016 presidential election. But former Attorney General Bill Barr—and now Republican FEC Commissioners Sean Cooksey and Trey Trainor—have blocked investigation and enforcement of Trump’s violations.

Now it’s up to the Department of Justice (DOJ) to hold Trump accountable and make clear that no one is above the law. The clock is ticking; a five–year statute of limitations for Trump’s campaign finance crimes gives the DOJ only 5 more months to prosecute these crimes.

In 2018 Common Cause filed complaints with the FEC and DOJ detailing multiple violations of federal campaign finance laws committed by Donald J. Trump, the Trump Organization, Michael Cohen and others through their $130,000 “hush” payment to Stormy Daniels just weeks before the November 2016 presidential election. Cohen pleaded guilty to these crimes and was sentenced to three years in prison. Cohen testified under oath that he had acted at the direction of Trump.
https://www.commoncause.org/press-r...orce-rule-of-law-on-trump-daniels-violations/

Remember that unfair treatment Don is always whining about? In reality he gets preferential treatment.

 

[CowboyTed]

No idea

Plus I don’t care

Clinton paid Paula Jones

He paid her legally and it was all transparent and above board...

Congress has a $18MM tax payer funded hush fund

Evidence? Like serios evidence no some bullshit from a blog

Stormy herself is on record saying nothing happened

Doesn't matter... Trump paid her off 11 days before an election...
I don't think the stupid idiots get it... It is not illegal to have an affair with a porn star...
It is highly illegal to pay her hush money as a business expense 11 days before the election.

 

[Care4all]

No idea

Plus I don’t care

Clinton paid Paula Jones

Congress has a $18MM tax payer funded hush fund

Stormy herself is on record saying nothing happened

With the written confession that it was all a lie and sworn per affidavit, why would trump need to pay her....?

It makes no sense to claim Trump and Stormy, didn't "bump uglies"...?
All those other slush cover up funds, ARE to cover up affairs etc....just like Crooked Donald paying funds to COVER UP HIS AFFAIR....

Please don't be saying there was no affair with Stormy because YOU and everyone, knows he had sex with her and Karen McDougal for 9 months.

He and Trump Organization cheated in the manner he paid Cohen back for it, and how it was declared.

I think Trump, if he loses in trial, will appeal...

This is the LEAST important criminal trial, because other cases are much more important imho!

 

[berg80]

The payments were not illegal. It is not illegal for a private citizen to pay someone to remain silent about a sexual encounter.

The illegality in the case results from the WAY the payments were made. The method is what is illegal, not the payment themselves.

I understand the salacious nature of the case tends to lead to the use of "hush money", but that isn't the crime.

WW

What’s illegal about Trump’s hush payments to women, briefly explained​

In his latest spin about federal prosecutors implicating him in felonies, President Donald Trump managed to pack three falsehoods into a mere two sentences.

During an interview with Reuters that was published Tuesday evening, Trump, alluding to hush payments made by his longtime personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen to two women who claimed to have had extramarital affairs with him, said, “Number one, it wasn’t a campaign contribution. If it were, it’s only civil, and even if it’s only civil, there was no violation based on what we did. OK?”

But prosecutors are conducting a criminal investigation, and they determined that the payments, which were made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in the weeks leading up to the 2016 presidential election, were indeed meant to help Trump’s candidacy. Cohen was charged with campaign finance violations (among other crimes), pleaded guilty, and on Wednesday was sentenced to three years in prison.

What’s illegal about Trump’s hush payments to women, briefly explained

Debunking the president’s desperate spin about being incriminated in felonies.

www.vox.com

 

[Billiejeens]

Doesn't fucking matter if there was an affair or not...

It matters that he paid a pornstar 11 days before the election illegally...

How fucking stupid are ye about the law...

You understand the law as you wish it to be, not as it actually is.

 

[postman]

You are aware that breaking campaign finance laws would be a federal crime and not one adjudicated in state court.

State courts can punish based on crimes committed outside of their jurisdiction.