Who's Responsible for Civilian Deaths in Gaza?

[Mojo2]

Maybe Bubba knows
TRNN producer Jessica Desvarieux asked Israeli author and historian Ilan Pappe for his thoughts on who bears most of the responsibility for dead civilians in Gaza.

But first, heeeeeere's Bubba:

"DESVARIEUX: So, Ilan, coming from an American perspective and what we're sort of hearing from the media and leaders is probably best exemplified in a statement made by former President Bill Clinton. He said, quote,

'Hamas was perfectly well aware of what would happen if they started raining rockets into Israel. They fired a thousand of them. And they have a strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own civilians so that the rest of the world will condemn them.'

"So, first of all, is this an accurate portrayal of the situation? And what context is missing here?

"PAPPÉ: No, it is not, really. I mean, it's a very narrow kind of context that doesn't widen the picture..."

"The more immediate past that is relevant to what goes on should take us back to just a month or two months ago, when Israel decided to use the pretext of an abduction and killing of three settlers in order to implement a plan that it already had in mind many years ago, and that is a plan to try and destroy the Hamas as a political force in the West Bank, and if possible also the military force in the Gaza Strip."

Would Bubba lie?

Who Bears Responsibility for Civilian Deaths in Gaza?

Hamas bears the responsibility for all the Gazan deaths because ONLY HAMAS can make a statement today which will guarantee peace there from now on.

But they have refused to make that statement.

Why not?

Islam.

 

[Disir]

Do you see this?

Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza

Hamas shot some 20 Palestinians on Monday night for protesting against Hamas for the massive destruction inflicted on their neighborhood in Shejaia by the IDF in the past weeks, Channel 10 reported on Tuesday. Over the past few days, Hamas has executed more than 30 civilians from various parts of the Gaza Strip which it suspected of collaborating with Israel, unidentified Palestinian security sources told the Palestine Press News Agency.

Hamas claimed it had detected alleged “spies” in the area of Shejaia and said that they were executed after an investigation into some of them. Such investigations reportedly revealed weapons and communication devices in the possession of the "spies."

Report: Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza | JPost | Israel News

Take a damn good look at what you lie through your teeth to defend.

 

[Billo_Really]

Do you see this?

Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza

Hamas shot some 20 Palestinians on Monday night for protesting against Hamas for the massive destruction inflicted on their neighborhood in Shejaia by the IDF in the past weeks, Channel 10 reported on Tuesday. Over the past few days, Hamas has executed more than 30 civilians from various parts of the Gaza Strip which it suspected of collaborating with Israel, unidentified Palestinian security sources told the Palestine Press News Agency.

Hamas claimed it had detected alleged “spies” in the area of Shejaia and said that they were executed after an investigation into some of them. Such investigations reportedly revealed weapons and communication devices in the possession of the "spies."

Report: Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza | JPost | Israel News

Take a damn good look at what you lie through your teeth to defend.

Why is there no links to the Palestinian media your report is referring to?

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is at fault for all the deaths in Gaza.

Nobody forced them lie about Hamas involvement in the kidnapping of the 3 teens.
Nobody forced them to arrest over 500 innocent Palestinian's in a phony search for the missing teens.
Nobody forced them to launch a military strike in Gaza on July 4th.
Nobody forced them to fire on hospitals, a home for the disabled, civilian homes, schools and refugee centers.
Nobody forced them to shoot children in cold blood as they looked for their families.​

Israel chose to commit all those atrocities. Israel decided to pull the trigger on all that ordinance. That was Israel's decision, not Hamas.

And its Israel's decision to maintain an occupation that is in its 47th year, which is the root cause of all the violence since 1967.

 

[Disir]

Do you see this?

Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza

Hamas shot some 20 Palestinians on Monday night for protesting against Hamas for the massive destruction inflicted on their neighborhood in Shejaia by the IDF in the past weeks, Channel 10 reported on Tuesday. Over the past few days, Hamas has executed more than 30 civilians from various parts of the Gaza Strip which it suspected of collaborating with Israel, unidentified Palestinian security sources told the Palestine Press News Agency.

Hamas claimed it had detected alleged “spies” in the area of Shejaia and said that they were executed after an investigation into some of them. Such investigations reportedly revealed weapons and communication devices in the possession of the "spies."

Report: Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza | JPost | Israel News

Take a damn good look at what you lie through your teeth to defend.

Why is there no links to the Palestinian media your report is referring to?

Don't believe it? Go research it. It isn't the first time they have executed alleged spies. The reality is that you have little interest in that, it doesn't jibe with your narrative.

 

[martybegan]

In war, when man fights man for land -- there is blood on all hands, except the children.

This isn't war between sovereign states.
Gaza is occupied territory, and Israel the occupying power.
Jews can't claim self-defense against the population of a territory they occupy.

LOL, Who made that "rule" up???

 

[Peach]

Who starting firing? HAMAS. Who calls repeated cease fires for humanitarian reasons? ISRAEL.

 

[editec]

Who struck the first blow?

How far back do we get to go?

I guess I'd want to go back to around 1918 or so to decide.

But some of us might also suggest that we'd have to go back to 638 to really get the picture.

Then too some of us might decide to go back to the eviction fo the Jews by the Romans circa 50 CE

Or wee could go back to the slaughter and eviction of the Cannites..what year was that, anyway?

So looking to HISTORY to find the people with the higher moral authority is going to be a bit of a problem because far as I can tell NOBODY has the high moral ground in that land.

 

[Peach]

Do you see this?

Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza

Hamas shot some 20 Palestinians on Monday night for protesting against Hamas for the massive destruction inflicted on their neighborhood in Shejaia by the IDF in the past weeks, Channel 10 reported on Tuesday. Over the past few days, Hamas has executed more than 30 civilians from various parts of the Gaza Strip which it suspected of collaborating with Israel, unidentified Palestinian security sources told the Palestine Press News Agency.

Hamas claimed it had detected alleged “spies” in the area of Shejaia and said that they were executed after an investigation into some of them. Such investigations reportedly revealed weapons and communication devices in the possession of the "spies."

Report: Hamas executes alleged spies, shoots protesters in Gaza | JPost | Israel News

Take a damn good look at what you lie through your teeth to defend.

Gaza needs new leadership, that is certain. Hamas publicizes casualties, does -0- to prevent them.

 

[georgephillip]

Who struck the first blow?

How far back do we get to go?

I guess I'd want to go back to around 1918 or so to decide.

But some of us might also suggest that we'd have to go back to 638 to really get the picture.

Then too some of us might decide to go back to the eviction fo the Jews by the Romans circa 50 CE

Or wee could go back to the slaughter and eviction of the Cannites..what year was that, anyway?

So looking to HISTORY to find the people with the higher moral authority is going to be a bit of a problem because far as I can tell NOBODY has the high moral ground in that land.

And today with nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea it is Israel in full control of the Jewish state and the territories it occupies.

It is Israel with its settler-colonialist mentality that must assume the moral consequences of its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; that isn't likely to occur absent the sort of international pressure applied to White South Africans a generation ago.

It is hard to imagine a solution that doesn't require foreign peacekeepers on the ground in Palestine for at least one generation, and the US will have to be included among those troops.

 

[Peach]

Maybe Bubba knows
TRNN producer Jessica Desvarieux asked Israeli author and historian Ilan Pappe for his thoughts on who bears most of the responsibility for dead civilians in Gaza.

But first, heeeeeere's Bubba:

"DESVARIEUX: So, Ilan, coming from an American perspective and what we're sort of hearing from the media and leaders is probably best exemplified in a statement made by former President Bill Clinton. He said, quote,

'Hamas was perfectly well aware of what would happen if they started raining rockets into Israel. They fired a thousand of them. And they have a strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own civilians so that the rest of the world will condemn them.'

"So, first of all, is this an accurate portrayal of the situation? And what context is missing here?

"PAPPÉ: No, it is not, really. I mean, it's a very narrow kind of context that doesn't widen the picture..."

"The more immediate past that is relevant to what goes on should take us back to just a month or two months ago, when Israel decided to use the pretext of an abduction and killing of three settlers in order to implement a plan that it already had in mind many years ago, and that is a plan to try and destroy the Hamas as a political force in the West Bank, and if possible also the military force in the Gaza Strip."

Would Bubba lie?

Who Bears Responsibility for Civilian Deaths in Gaza?

it is really puzzling

why you folks support

the likes of Hamas

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdCsl98naqM]Hamas terrorists Kill PalestinIans - A MUST WATCH VIDEO!!! - YouTube[/ame]

Who struck the first blow?

How far back do we get to go?

I guess I'd want to go back to around 1918 or so to decide.

But some of us might also suggest that we'd have to go back to 638 to really get the picture.

Then too some of us might decide to go back to the eviction fo the Jews by the Romans circa 50 CE

Or wee could go back to the slaughter and eviction of the Cannites..what year was that, anyway?

So looking to HISTORY to find the people with the higher moral authority is going to be a bit of a problem because far as I can tell NOBODY has the high moral ground in that land.

And today with nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea it is Israel in full control of the Jewish state and the territories it occupies.

It is Israel with its settler-colonialist mentality that must assume the moral consequences of its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; that isn't likely to occur absent the sort of international pressure applied to White South Africans a generation ago.

It is hard to imagine a solution that doesn't require foreign peacekeepers on the ground in Palestine for at least one generation, and the US will have to be included among those troops.

The Balfour declaration outlines Palestinian lands; ask other Arab nations to cede land to the Palestinians(.)

 

[georgephillip]

Israel is at fault for all the deaths in Gaza.

Nobody forced them lie about Hamas involvement in the kidnapping of the 3 teens.
Nobody forced them to arrest over 500 innocent Palestinian's in a phony search for the missing teens.
Nobody forced them to launch a military strike in Gaza on July 4th.
Nobody forced them to fire on hospitals, a home for the disabled, civilian homes, schools and refugee centers.
Nobody forced them to shoot children in cold blood as they looked for their families.​

Israel chose to commit all those atrocities. Israel decided to pull the trigger on all that ordinance. That was Israel's decision, not Hamas.

And its Israel's decision to maintain an occupation that is in its 47th year, which is the root cause of all the violence since 1967.

IMHO, Israel has conflated its role as settler-colonialists with being the victims of their own
aggression in Palestine. Europeans are more aware of this than Americans because their press uses the word "occupation" to supply the context necessary to understand why Hamas rains rockets on Israel. At its root it's pretty simple; Jews want all the land between the River, and the sea for themselves and they don't care how many children they murder to get it.

 

[Lipush]

May God grant IDF suceess everywhere they are against this ruthless enemy they're currently fighting, and bring defeat upon the people of Hamas. May he blind their sight and crush their weapon.

 

[Peach]

Pray for peace & an end to the dictators of Hamas.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe Bubba knows
TRNN producer Jessica Desvarieux asked Israeli author and historian Ilan Pappe for his thoughts on who bears most of the responsibility for dead civilians in Gaza.

But first, heeeeeere's Bubba:

"DESVARIEUX: So, Ilan, coming from an American perspective and what we're sort of hearing from the media and leaders is probably best exemplified in a statement made by former President Bill Clinton. He said, quote,

'Hamas was perfectly well aware of what would happen if they started raining rockets into Israel. They fired a thousand of them. And they have a strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own civilians so that the rest of the world will condemn them.'

"So, first of all, is this an accurate portrayal of the situation? And what context is missing here?

"PAPPÉ: No, it is not, really. I mean, it's a very narrow kind of context that doesn't widen the picture..."

"The more immediate past that is relevant to what goes on should take us back to just a month or two months ago, when Israel decided to use the pretext of an abduction and killing of three settlers in order to implement a plan that it already had in mind many years ago, and that is a plan to try and destroy the Hamas as a political force in the West Bank, and if possible also the military force in the Gaza Strip."

Would Bubba lie?

Who Bears Responsibility for Civilian Deaths in Gaza?

it is really puzzling

why you folks support

the likes of Hamas

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdCsl98naqM]Hamas terrorists Kill PalestinIans - A MUST WATCH VIDEO!!! - YouTube[/ame]

Who struck the first blow?

How far back do we get to go?

I guess I'd want to go back to around 1918 or so to decide.

But some of us might also suggest that we'd have to go back to 638 to really get the picture.

Then too some of us might decide to go back to the eviction fo the Jews by the Romans circa 50 CE

Or wee could go back to the slaughter and eviction of the Cannites..what year was that, anyway?

So looking to HISTORY to find the people with the higher moral authority is going to be a bit of a problem because far as I can tell NOBODY has the high moral ground in that land.

And today with nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea it is Israel in full control of the Jewish state and the territories it occupies.

It is Israel with its settler-colonialist mentality that must assume the moral consequences of its illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; that isn't likely to occur absent the sort of international pressure applied to White South Africans a generation ago.

It is hard to imagine a solution that doesn't require foreign peacekeepers on the ground in Palestine for at least one generation, and the US will have to be included among those troops.

The Balfour declaration outlines Palestinian lands; ask other Arab nations to cede land to the Palestinians(.)

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1]"

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jews have done little else over the past 66 years than prejudicing the civil rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

Your Faith is blinding you to the Truth.

 

[georgephillip]

May God grant IDF suceess everywhere they are against this ruthless enemy they're currently fighting, and bring defeat upon the people of Hamas. May he blind their sight and crush their weapon.

Why does your occupation of Palestine blind you to the disease of racism?

 

[BillyP]

May God grant IDF suceess everywhere they are against this ruthless enemy they're currently fighting, and bring defeat upon the people of Hamas. May he blind their sight and crush their weapon.

Why does your occupation of Palestine blind you to the disease of racism?

He's a good faker, he should be nominated for some sort of terrorist award.

 

[georgephillip]

In war, when man fights man for land -- there is blood on all hands, except the children.

This isn't war between sovereign states.
Gaza is occupied territory, and Israel the occupying power.
Jews can't claim self-defense against the population of a territory they occupy.

LOL, Who made that "rule" up???

"Israel denies Palestinians the right to govern and protect themselves, while simultaneously invoking the right to self-defense. This is a conundrum and a violation of international law, one that Israel deliberately created to evade accountability."

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza?Debunked | The Nation

 

[BillyP]

This isn't war between sovereign states.
Gaza is occupied territory, and Israel the occupying power.
Jews can't claim self-defense against the population of a territory they occupy.

LOL, Who made that "rule" up???

"Israel denies Palestinians the right to govern and protect themselves, while simultaneously invoking the right to self-defense. This is a conundrum and a violation of international law, one that Israel deliberately created to evade accountability."

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza?Debunked | The Nation

Arabs have enough land already, and they've fucked in all up. And they fight like pussies, with their puny rockets, it's laughable really.

 

[Lipush]

May God grant IDF suceess everywhere they are against this ruthless enemy they're currently fighting, and bring defeat upon the people of Hamas. May he blind their sight and crush their weapon.

Why does your occupation of Palestine blind you to the disease of racism?

Why does Hamas so cowardly uses those poor innocent children as shields, and kills anyone who dares to protest?