Who won in NH ??

[CrusaderFrank]

Bernie wins NH in a landslide and Hillary gets more delegates!

Hillary Earns More New Hampshire Delegates Than Sanders After Loss








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Democrat Establishment won

Why bother to vote?

 

[conserveguy877]

Is this really true? Why and how does this work out this way?

Well that's how the Democrat establishments actually have control of their party. This might not be Obama's plan to have Sanders run after his term.

adolf hitler propaganda
lie but 10% true

Super Delegates for the democratic side can basically choose any nomination...

I think the super delegates can choose the nominee on the Republican side as well....you do have fewer super delegates but you ALSO have fewer pledged delegates on the republican side needed to win, about a thousand less delegates than the Dems need to win...

Depends

 

[easyt65]

Bernie won NH.
Hillary was given electorates she did not earn.

 

[Care4all]

Is this really true? Why and how does this work out this way?

Well that's how the Democrat establishments actually have control of their party. This might not be Obama's plan to have Sanders run after his term.

adolf hitler propaganda
lie but 10% true

Super Delegates for the democratic side can basically choose any nomination...

I think the super delegates can choose the nominee on the Republican side as well....you do have fewer super delegates but you ALSO have fewer pledged delegates on the republican side needed to win, about a thousand less delegates than the Dems need to win...

Depends

and it 'depends', on the Democratic side as well.....

any candidate on either side of the aisle, can win the nomination with mere primary voters and the super delegates won't mean squat....

 

[Jackson]

Feel the Bern.......................who starts out behind by 341 Delegates from day 1...................

Yeah...........that's power to the people and not the establishment..................

On the other side of the equation they have about 168 I believe who will almost all go to the establishment..............

On the Dem side the majority of the 712 or so SUPERS will go to Clinton.........giving her probably 28% of the votes needed to win out the gate...........and why she knows this............

She lost the public vote badly..............the SUPER'S CHANGED THAT............this is BS and this BS has been going on since 1980.

super delegates account for almost 20% of the delegates, NOT 27% and half of them have NOT committed to her....

Wrong..........they account for 15% of the total delegates but nearly 30% of the delegates needed to win.

Well yeah, if she got them all, but I've never known a candidate to ever get them all, ever....

there are 50% just sitting there for Bernie to get, if he truly wants to be President and isn't in this race to just make a point about socialism.....he needs to get to work.... and get his fellow Senators and Congressmen to commit to him.

I was just reading that a couple of committed delegates to Hillary have moved to Bernie just the past couple of days....

Bottom line.............the Super Delegate way of doing business is BS...........

I listed numbers from articles saying Bernie is in the hole by the Super Delegates out the gate.......Kinda like having a horse race where one contestant gets tied up at the starting gate while the other trots out for a lead and in Hillary's case she will take most of them.

I'll never vote for either.........but the establishment BS needs to end and the primaries should be decided by the people alone...............Not this BS of the Super Delegates on either side...............

I want elected by the people candidates not Coronations.

but citizens united is ok with you????? it is with republicans and scalia and thomas morons on the SC

 

[Care4all]

Bernie won NH.
Hillary was given electorates she did not earn.

That's simply ignorant and NOT TRUE.

Hillary was given 9 pledged electoral votes from the election and Bernie was given 15 Pledged delegates from the election.

Hillary got nothing else, no other pledged delegates from the election loss, NONE, ZERO, ZIP.

Super delegates were gathered by Hillary and Bernie PRIOR TO any of these primary elections, and super delegates ARE NOT PLEDGED delegates, so they can switch who they support 100 times before the final convention....they are NOT BOUND by their commitments, and are not truly counted until the final vote is taken at the convention.

A couple of super delegates that Hillary got commitments from early in the game have already switched to Bernie, and who knows, they could switch back to Hillary and then Bernie again before the convention....

Super delegates ARE NOT GIVEN to each candidate after their resident State election....super delegates can be wooed the day candidates announce they are running, long before the actual elections in their own State.

About half of the super delegates on the Democratic side have not even committed to any of the candidates...and the ones that have verbally committed to who they think they will support, as said before, can change their minds as many times as they would like....they can sway like palm trees....

Bernie needs to get his rear in to action and get commitments from super delegates.... he KNOWS the contest rules.

 

[ChrisL]

Like throwing out the military vote in Florida................yeah.......I'd agree..............

or making sure 1000's of voters never got to the voting booths in dem areas

You lost..................and in the case of NH primary you lose again on ETHICS.....................the people actually voting for delegates don't matter to you.......................

ROTTEN TO THE CORE...................just another ACORN....................similar...

Hillary go to Vegas after being that lucky with coins???????????

we'll go with what will guarantee a win in nov ,,,a repub president will mean a catastrophie for america

And Hillary won't be?

foreign affairs are very important for a president to be familiar with ,,,,,hill has more knowledge more ability than whoever remains of your candidates,,,, shes for women for children for those who have been hurt in the economy bush left for obama she stands alone in our contest for president

Lol. Sure she is. She really CARES about you.

 

[ChrisL]

Just shows the game is rigged.

eagle I don't care ,,as long as we have a candidate strong enough to beat the hell out of any of your pretenders

Even in an orange jump suit............

 

[ChrisL]

Bernie won NH.
Hillary was given electorates she did not earn.

That's simply ignorant and NOT TRUE.

Hillary was given 9 pledged electoral votes from the election and Bernie was given 15 Pledged delegates from the election.

Hillary got nothing else, no other pledged delegates from the election loss, NONE, ZERO, ZIP.

Super delegates were gathered by Hillary and Bernie PRIOR TO any of these primary elections, and super delegates ARE NOT PLEDGED delegates, so they can switch who they support 100 times before the final convention....they are NOT BOUND by their commitments, and are not truly counted until the final vote is taken at the convention.

A couple of super delegates that Hillary got commitments from early in the game have already switched to Bernie, and who knows, they could switch back to Hillary and then Bernie again before the convention....

Super delegates ARE NOT GIVEN to each candidate after their resident State election....super delegates can be wooed the day candidates announce they are running, long before the actual elections in their own State.

About half of the super delegates on the Democratic side have not even committed to any of the candidates...and the ones that have verbally committed to who they think they will support, as said before, can change their minds as many times as they would like....they can sway like palm trees....

Bernie needs to get his rear in to action and get commitments from super delegates.... he KNOWS the contest rules.

And why is this acceptable? Basically, it means our votes don't even count!

 

[Care4all]

Bernie won NH.
Hillary was given electorates she did not earn.

That's simply ignorant and NOT TRUE.

Hillary was given 9 pledged electoral votes from the election and Bernie was given 15 Pledged delegates from the election.

Hillary got nothing else, no other pledged delegates from the election loss, NONE, ZERO, ZIP.

Super delegates were gathered by Hillary and Bernie PRIOR TO any of these primary elections, and super delegates ARE NOT PLEDGED delegates, so they can switch who they support 100 times before the final convention....they are NOT BOUND by their commitments, and are not truly counted until the final vote is taken at the convention.

A couple of super delegates that Hillary got commitments from early in the game have already switched to Bernie, and who knows, they could switch back to Hillary and then Bernie again before the convention....

Super delegates ARE NOT GIVEN to each candidate after their resident State election....super delegates can be wooed the day candidates announce they are running, long before the actual elections in their own State.

About half of the super delegates on the Democratic side have not even committed to any of the candidates...and the ones that have verbally committed to who they think they will support, as said before, can change their minds as many times as they would like....they can sway like palm trees....

Bernie needs to get his rear in to action and get commitments from super delegates.... he KNOWS the contest rules.

And why is this acceptable? Basically, it means our votes don't even count!

our votes count for a minimum of about 85% of the delegates, and 100% of the pledged delegates in the decision...

As far as WHY this is okay....? I don't know.....

i dont know why ''parties'' run our election process, and get to make the rules, instead of just we the people running it?

 

[ChrisL]

Bernie won NH.
Hillary was given electorates she did not earn.

That's simply ignorant and NOT TRUE.

Hillary was given 9 pledged electoral votes from the election and Bernie was given 15 Pledged delegates from the election.

Hillary got nothing else, no other pledged delegates from the election loss, NONE, ZERO, ZIP.

Super delegates were gathered by Hillary and Bernie PRIOR TO any of these primary elections, and super delegates ARE NOT PLEDGED delegates, so they can switch who they support 100 times before the final convention....they are NOT BOUND by their commitments, and are not truly counted until the final vote is taken at the convention.

A couple of super delegates that Hillary got commitments from early in the game have already switched to Bernie, and who knows, they could switch back to Hillary and then Bernie again before the convention....

Super delegates ARE NOT GIVEN to each candidate after their resident State election....super delegates can be wooed the day candidates announce they are running, long before the actual elections in their own State.

About half of the super delegates on the Democratic side have not even committed to any of the candidates...and the ones that have verbally committed to who they think they will support, as said before, can change their minds as many times as they would like....they can sway like palm trees....

Bernie needs to get his rear in to action and get commitments from super delegates.... he KNOWS the contest rules.

And why is this acceptable? Basically, it means our votes don't even count!

our votes count for a minimum of about 85% of the delegates, and 100% of the pledged delegates in the decision...

As far as WHY this is okay....? I don't know.....

i dont know why ''parties'' run our election process, and get to make the rules, instead of just we the people running it?

Because if you are a dem, YOU are not choosing the democrat nominee, the party is doing that on your behalf with these "superdelegates." Outrageous.

What are "superdelegates," and what do they mean for the Democratic nomination?

What is a superdelegate, anyway?
As Elaine Kamarck writes in her book Primary Politics, the creation of superdelegates was a reaction to the messy 1980 Democratic convention, in which Ted Kennedy and his supporters challenged sitting President Jimmy Carter. Many Democrats felt that the democratization of the primary process had led to chaos, and resulted in many nominees that ended up losing. Therefore, they wanted to give party elites more of a say.

"We must also give our convention more flexibility to respond to changing circumstances, and, in cases where the voters' mandate is less than clear, to make a reasoned choice," Jim Hunt, who headed the commission that considered reforming the party's rules, said at the time, according to Kamarck's book. "We would then return a measure of decision-making power and discretion to the organized party."

Perhaps, as Hunt's quote suggests, the Democratic officials themselves believed this was a responsible way to ensure that the party nominated the right candidate. But it's much harder to believe that that they didn't foresee the undemocratic implications of bolstering the "decision-making power" of party leaders.

The Democratic nomination will be determined by 4,763 total delegates — 4,051 chosen by the voters and 712 who fit the "super" category.

The 712 superdelegates are made up of two major groups. One is prominent elected Democrats, including all of the party's governors, the president and vice president, and all of its members in Congress.

The second group consists of all members of the Democratic National Committee. That includes elected representatives, like mayors and county executives, as well as presidents of various Democratic organizations like the National Federation of Democratic Women and the College Democrats of America, according to the DNC's bylaws.