Who / what kills more Americans...AR-15’s or illegals and their spawn?

[HereWeGoAgain]

If we disarmed illegals and blacks we'd have one of the lowest murder rates on the planet.

That's what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

Yeah...but Hitler was a lying socialist/democrat.

He rose to power by being a radical nationalist who accused globalization and minorities of creating all of Germany's problems. Rumors have it he considered printing a bunch of Make Germany Great Again hats.

Lame.

 

[BlackFlag]

I'd have to check the numbers, since the homicide rate is so much higher among legal Americans than illegals.

I went looking for the numbers. No one tabulates them by immigration status. It could be, but I doubt it. Any numbers given by anyone are pulled out of their ass.

Persons incarcerated in California and Arizona show that illegals are substantially more likely to be incarcerated than the general population, especially fort drug offenses. Since we don't know the number of illegals we can't guess at the rates

Of course they're more likely to be incarcerated. Their entire existence is illegal.

That is dishonest. They aren't being incarcerated for being illegal, but for other offenses, mostly drugs.

Who's going to go to jail; the American citizen caught with an ounce of marijuana, or the illegal alien caught with an ounce of marijuana.

Obviously that would depend on state laws.
In a state where weed is illegal the illegal would go to jail and then be deported.

A lot of Americans are. Scatter over 400 million guns into any country in the world like we have here and see what happens.

Thats why we need guns.
To protect us against criminal illegals and blacks....and of course a tyrannical gov.

I have long said that the best argument against gun control in this country is that it's easier for a criminal to get a gun here than anywhere in the world, so you may as well arm yourself. For some reason, conservatives don't like that argument.

Being armed is more about protecting us from a Tyrannical gov,protecting ourselves from criminals is next.

Your AR-15 will not put even the slightest dent into any force sent by the government.

The Military would be on our side.

If the military is on your side, your AR-15 will serve even less purpose than had they opposed you.

 

[BlackFlag]

If we disarmed illegals and blacks we'd have one of the lowest murder rates on the planet.

That's what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

Yeah...but Hitler was a lying socialist/democrat.

He rose to power by being a radical nationalist who accused globalization and minorities of creating all of Germany's problems. Rumors have it he considered printing a bunch of Make Germany Great Again hats.

Lame.

Is that a little sense of shame peeking through? "Lame" is such a weak counter. You must know there isn't a stronger one.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I went looking for the numbers. No one tabulates them by immigration status. It could be, but I doubt it. Any numbers given by anyone are pulled out of their ass.

Persons incarcerated in California and Arizona show that illegals are substantially more likely to be incarcerated than the general population, especially fort drug offenses. Since we don't know the number of illegals we can't guess at the rates

Of course they're more likely to be incarcerated. Their entire existence is illegal.

That is dishonest. They aren't being incarcerated for being illegal, but for other offenses, mostly drugs.

Who's going to go to jail; the American citizen caught with an ounce of marijuana, or the illegal alien caught with an ounce of marijuana.

Obviously that would depend on state laws.
In a state where weed is illegal the illegal would go to jail and then be deported.

Thats why we need guns.
To protect us against criminal illegals and blacks....and of course a tyrannical gov.

I have long said that the best argument against gun control in this country is that it's easier for a criminal to get a gun here than anywhere in the world, so you may as well arm yourself. For some reason, conservatives don't like that argument.

Being armed is more about protecting us from a Tyrannical gov,protecting ourselves from criminals is next.

Your AR-15 will not put even the slightest dent into any force sent by the government.

The Military would be on our side.

If the military is on your side, your AR-15 will serve even less purpose than had they opposed you.

I didnt say the Military would actively support us.
They'd just bow out.
Of course retired Military would be free to join in and teach the civilians Military tactics.

 

[bripat9643]

Well since it's easier for an illegal or criminal to get an AR-15 here than in any other country in the world I would say your answer is both.

You would be wrong, because AR-15s have killed almost no law abiding citizens. Illegal aliens, on the other hand, have killed thousands of Americans.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If we disarmed illegals and blacks we'd have one of the lowest murder rates on the planet.

That's what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

Yeah...but Hitler was a lying socialist/democrat.

He rose to power by being a radical nationalist who accused globalization and minorities of creating all of Germany's problems. Rumors have it he considered printing a bunch of Make Germany Great Again hats.

Lame.

Is that a little sense of shame peeking through? "Lame" is such a weak counter. You must know there isn't a stronger one.

How do you prove a negative?
And the hat part was truely lame.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If we disarmed illegals and blacks we'd have one of the lowest murder rates on the planet.

That's what the Nazi's said about the Jews.

If I were you I’d be motivated to prove his post untrue...Go ahead, we’ll be waiting patiently for your reply...I’m sure there’s plenty of available data to prove him wrong...right?
(If you pretend you didn’t see this post I’ll understand.)

Cherry pick any groups and you can make that true. Take guns away from anybody with an income under $30,000 a year and we'd have a low homicide rate. Take guns away from white people and we'd have a low homicide rate.

That’s weird, LefTards have never proposed a credit check and or income guidelines to be part of gun ownership and the application process.
Sounds simple, why isn’t that Cuban carpet muncher and all the other wackjobs pushing for that?
Are you just pulling crazy shit from your ass for this debate?

 

[BrokeLoser]

With the safety of Americans being of paramount concern for Mexicrats; when they occupy the House and attack our 2nd Rights I wonder if they’ll also move to secure the border and deport Mexicans...you know, with our safety in mind and all?
What about up there in Washington State Dana7360 ?

 

[BrokeLoser]

As we approach election time the nutless GOP should hammer this home along with several other ******* related issues.
DON’T FORGET you sackless pukes....the great Donald Trump won the highest office on the globe for his **** WETBACKS message....PERIOD!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

As we approach election time the nutless GOP should hammer this home along with several other ******* related issues.
DON’T FORGET you sackless pukes....the great Donald Trump won the highest office on the globe for his **** WETBACKS message....PERIOD!

the great Donald Trump won the highest office on the globe for his **** WETBACKS message....PERIOD!

Get ready to be called a "racist" because the term "*******" has been bastardized to be a racial slur, when it originated here in Texas in reference to the illegals who just swam across the Rio Grande. You wouldn't call a Mexican a "*******" just because they are from Mexico. The term specifically refers to illegals who recently crossed the border (so recently that they still have a wet back).

.

 

[CWayne]

Well since it's easier for an illegal or criminal to get an AR-15 here than in any other country in the world I would say your answer is both.

No, no, no....both doesn’t work unless they kill the same number of Americans.

Someone with an AR-15 can kill way more Americans than somebody without one.

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

 

[bendog]

Well since it's easier for an illegal or criminal to get an AR-15 here than in any other country in the world I would say your answer is both.

No, no, no....both doesn’t work unless they kill the same number of Americans.

Someone with an AR-15 can kill way more Americans than somebody without one.

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

 

[CWayne]

No, no, no....both doesn’t work unless they kill the same number of Americans.

Someone with an AR-15 can kill way more Americans than somebody without one.

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

 

[bendog]

Someone with an AR-15 can kill way more Americans than somebody without one.

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

 

[CWayne]

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

There ARE teachers who are willing, and I'm not for mandating anything. If we put armed security around our banks and our money, the very least we can do is put the same around our greatest treasure; our children.

I oppose all red flag laws much the same way I would oppose a law enforcement agency that arrested people for future crimes.

 

[bendog]

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

There ARE teachers who are willing, and I'm not for mandating anything. If we put armed security around our banks and our money, the very least we can do is put the same around our greatest treasure; our children.

I oppose all red flag laws much the same way I would oppose a law enforcement agency that arrested people for future crimes.

But no one is arrested. People can be temporarily deprived for their personal property, which is ok under the Fourth Fifth and Sixth Amend for other property items, and the Second is not without limits.

 

[Mac-7]

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

i agree that students should be protected at least as well or better than public officials protect themselves

in fact I would say the mayor and court judges should not have police protection till after every student in every school is protected

 

[Rambunctious]

South of the border in Mexico people think nothing about climbing behind the wheel drunk and driving home from the Cantina.....and they bring that non concern to America....in California they show the name of the drunk driver that causes injuries and deaths...75% of the time they are Hispanic...California has a real problem with immigrant drunk driving....just look at the records....

 

[Mac-7]

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

There ARE teachers who are willing, and I'm not for mandating anything. If we put armed security around our banks and our money, the very least we can do is put the same around our greatest treasure; our children.

I oppose all red flag laws much the same way I would oppose a law enforcement agency that arrested people for future crimes.

But no one is arrested. People can be temporarily deprived for their personal property, which is ok under the Fourth Fifth and Sixth Amend for other property items, and the Second is not without limits.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

I agree in principle, but in reality, if someone fears more school shootings, they need to rethink the entire gun-free zone concept.

The question begs: How do you stop a madman with a gun from mass killing?

The answer is obvious. You shoot back.

I'm not for arming students and most teachers don't want to be LLE officers. So, imo, the only answer is mofifying buildings to have fewer places that one can enter, and better security, and better LLE response.

Even if Wash DC, Chi, LA and every other city over 1 million banned AR-15s, if a person planning a massacre wants one, he'll find a way. And even if somehow they couldn't find one, two pistols with high capacity and and spare magazines can kill a lot of kids.

And I'm not knee jerk opposed to red flag laws like VA just passed. But banning a class of weapons or demonizing latino kids born here doesn't accomplish much, imo.

There ARE teachers who are willing, and I'm not for mandating anything. If we put armed security around our banks and our money, the very least we can do is put the same around our greatest treasure; our children.

I oppose all red flag laws much the same way I would oppose a law enforcement agency that arrested people for future crimes.

But no one is arrested. People can be temporarily deprived for their personal property, which is ok under the Fourth Fifth and Sixth Amend for other property items, and the Second is not without limits.

They are not arrested but they didnt get their day in court either

the state should have to prove they are a danger before punishing them

 

[BrokeLoser]

No, no, no....both doesn’t work unless they kill the same number of Americans.

Someone with an AR-15 can kill way more Americans than somebody without one.

Cars / Trucks killed a ton by "Accident" and also a ton on purpose "Like in terrorism"

Guns are newbies in killing compared to car & trucks..

Plus according to you Cars & Trucks are killing the environment.
BAN THE BASTIDS.

The main purpose of a car or truck is not to kill or maim. So you can't compare them to guns.

The main purpose of a gun is not to kill or main either, so you failed again.

You see, an illegal CAN kill more Americans with an AR-15 than without, but the issues isn't how many they can kill using that tool. The issue is how many Americans are killed by law-aboding Americans who own them?

You see, you cannot make America safer by making the law-abiding weaker.

Well despite the Racist OP, the main purpose of people coming here illegally isn't to kill, but that doesn't make coming here illegally right. So it was a FALSE ANALOGY to begin with.

And the reality is that both pro and anti gun control folks focus on AR-15s more than their actual misuse really justifies. I think it's because most everyone in suburbia or the top 20% in income really do fear a school massacre. No matter how good a parent you try to be, school shootings are akin to drunk drivers. The randomness factor.

AR-15s are not going to be banned anywhere but really urban settings, if even there. And frankly there are more women being shot down by abusive partners than school kids. And even then, who really addressed inner city violence?

Are you sure the “racist op” isn’t just a candid op with no PC sprinkle?
It’s ironic that you’d bring up drunk drivers....supporting the illegal immigration movement is kin to supporting drunk drivers...Drunk drivers don’t drive with the intent to kill but you know some will kill...it seems as though you’re willing to accept the byproduct that comes with illegals...the raping and killing?