Who was the most racist President?

[rightwinger]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

 

[Pogo]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

Agree. Ranking FDR ahead of Wilson on this list is just bizzaro

Some people just don't read enough history.

 

[rightwinger]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

Agree. Ranking FDR ahead of Wilson on this list is just bizzaro

Some people just don't read enough history.

Wilson invited the KKK to the White House
Fought against Civil Rights and Women’s Suffrage

 

[Pogo]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

Agree. Ranking FDR ahead of Wilson on this list is just bizzaro

Some people just don't read enough history.

Wilson invited the KKK to the White House
Fought against Civil Rights and Women’s Suffrage

Wilson was a racist asshole but he didn't invite the KKK anywhere. It didn't even exist until Thanksgiving of 1915 and didn't spread until PR people hired on five years later. You might be thinking of Harding.

 

[Unkotare]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

 

[Correll]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Were German immigrants also put into camps? That implies the motive was not racial.

 

[rightwinger]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Locked up enemy Japanese and kept us safe in WWII
There were no acts of Japanese terrorism

 

[Correll]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Locked up enemy Japanese and kept us safe in WWII
There were no acts of Japanese terrorism

Are you arguing the locking up was justified? What do you feel about locking up the Germans?

 

[rightwinger]

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Locked up enemy Japanese and kept us safe in WWII
There were no acts of Japanese terrorism

Are you arguing the locking up was justified? What do you feel about locking up the Germans?

In Jan 1942, based on what they knew at the time
It was justified

Very few Americans and even the Supreme Court supported it

Different time, Different America

 

[Pogo]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why wasn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

 

[Correll]

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Locked up enemy Japanese and kept us safe in WWII
There were no acts of Japanese terrorism

Are you arguing the locking up was justified? What do you feel about locking up the Germans?

In Jan 1942, based on what they knew at the time
It was justified

Very few Americans and even the Supreme Court supported it

Different time, Different America

Strange. Why not apply perfect hindsight, like you did to Patton? Why this, "based on what they knew at the time" stuff in this case?

 

[Pogo]

Wilson by far.

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Were German immigrants also put into camps? That implies the motive was not racial.

Actually yes, German nationals were. So were Italian nationals.

Matter of fact Canada did the same thing at the same time with Japanese Canadians and with Italian Canadians.

 

[rightwinger]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why waksn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

After Pearl Harbor, America was on an anti-Japanese fervor. Japan was an evil empire with its subjects loyal only to the emperor. FDR followed the advice of his military advisors and governors in states with large Japanese populations

 

[rightwinger]

Agree

Unlike most presidents who reflected their era, Wilson brought back racist policies that had previously been abandoned

fdr outdid that creep in racist outrage against America.

FDR eliminated segregation in Federal Employment

B) Threw innocent Americans into concentration camps on the basis of race

C) Presided over the Tuskegee experiments

D) Turned away a boatload of Jews escaping Nazi Germany to their ultimate doom.

Were German immigrants also put into camps? That implies the motive was not racial.

Actually yes, German nationals were. So were Italian nationals.

Matter of fact Canada did the same thing at the same time with Japanese Canadians and with Italian Canadians.

My Grandmother was a German national during WWII. She was interviewed by the FBI but was mostly left alone because my Grandfather was in the US Army.
But she told us about German friends who were active in the German Bund and had made anti American statements. They were sent to camps in Texas

 

[Pogo]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why waksn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

After Pearl Harbor, America was on an anti-Japanese fervor. Japan was an evil empire with its subjects loyal only to the emperor. FDR followed the advice of his military advisors and governors in states with large Japanese populations

With the strange but notable exception of Hawaìi.

Also worth noting that FDR's original executive order made no mention of "Japanese" at all. It simply established military zones from which people (any people designated by the local commander) could be excluded.

 

[Polishprince]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why waksn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

After Pearl Harbor, America was on an anti-Japanese fervor. Japan was an evil empire with its subjects loyal only to the emperor. FDR followed the advice of his military advisors and governors in states with large Japanese populations

With the strange but notable exception of Hawaìi.

Also worth noting that FDR's original executive order made no mention of "Japanese" at all. It simply established military zones from which people (any people designated by the local commander) could be excluded.

Hawaii wasn't a state in 1941

 

[Unkotare]

...FDR followed the advice of his military advisors ....

Another historian who never heard of the Ringle report.

 

[rightwinger]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why waksn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

After Pearl Harbor, America was on an anti-Japanese fervor. Japan was an evil empire with its subjects loyal only to the emperor. FDR followed the advice of his military advisors and governors in states with large Japanese populations

With the strange but notable exception of Hawaìi.

Also worth noting that FDR's original executive order made no mention of "Japanese" at all. It simply established military zones from which people (any people designated by the local commander) could be excluded.

Interesting exception

Maybe because the Japanese population was too large, maybe because they were not a state

 

[rightwinger]

...FDR followed the advice of his military advisors ....

Another historian who never heard of the Ringle report.

FDR kept us safe

 

[Pogo]

Seems tot me if one wanted to make the case that Japanese internment was race-based rather than nationality and suspected loyalties, one would have to show a pattern before the war and Pearl Harbor attack.

In other words if FDR had a thing against Asians, why waksn't he already locking them up all through the 1930s?

After Pearl Harbor, America was on an anti-Japanese fervor. Japan was an evil empire with its subjects loyal only to the emperor. FDR followed the advice of his military advisors and governors in states with large Japanese populations

With the strange but notable exception of Hawaìi.

Also worth noting that FDR's original executive order made no mention of "Japanese" at all. It simply established military zones from which people (any people designated by the local commander) could be excluded.

Hawaii wasn't a state in 1941

Neither was Alaska but Japanese -- the few there were -- got moved there.

I mention Hawaìi because of its huge Japanese population. If you're not aware it's common even today to hear Japanese commonly spoken in everyday Hawaìi. There was even an incident where some Japanese-Hawaiians helped one of the Pearl Harbor pilots who crash-landed, which would have been right up the alley of the pretext for isolation, yet very few got quarantined.