Who To Blame???

[ogibillm]

what exactly would you say 'the fix' is that we are in?

1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%

4. Total federal debt is up 58%

5. Gasoline prices are up 82%

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%

7. Debt held by the public is up 89%

... the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.

The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.

8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.
Obama?s Numbers, October Update

9... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun

10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama | NewsBusters

11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun


12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made

Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”
CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made | Dallas Morning News

13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard

Pretty sure that's all the fault of.....

BOOOOOSH.

is that any more ridiculous than claiming it's all the fault of obama?

i would posit that we are reaping the results of decades of 'trickle down economics', a personal debt riddled populace, and a general lack of infrastructure investment - something that can't really be attributed to any one president something we also can't expect one president to fix over night.

 

[ogibillm]

1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%

4. Total federal debt is up 58%

5. Gasoline prices are up 82%

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%

7. Debt held by the public is up 89%

... the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.

The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.

8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.
Obama?s Numbers, October Update

9... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun

10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama | NewsBusters

11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun


12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made

Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”
CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made | Dallas Morning News

13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

You seem unable to process information.

And you're either very slow, or childishly claiming not to understand posts that eminently clear.

In either case, I'll wait for others with more ability.

 

[ogibillm]

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

You seem unable to process information.

And you're either very slow, or childishly claiming not to understand posts that eminently clear.

In either case, I'll wait for others with more ability.

no, i read it, it just didn't make a good argument.

you wail and moan about 'the fix' we're supposed in, for all intents and purposes blaming it on the president and by extension the people that voted for him.

you presume that these people must be ignorant and fools, although you don't do anything to corroborate that point of view.

further, when pressed to describe what you feel is 'the fix' you talk about economic factors, but you don't bother to think about what the cause of those factors are, or what you would have expected the president to do about them.

so yes, i stand by my initial assessment. you are just another right wing doomsdayer, repeating what you hear on talk radio and fox news without giving it real critical thought.

 

[bedowin62]

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

poor moronic left-wing crybabies. they don't realize Obama's record of failure speaks for itself. the lack of critical thought is on the loony left. newsflash for left-wing losers; record welfare and food stamps isn't "forward progress"

 

[ogibillm]

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

poor moronic left-wing crybabies. they don't realize Obama's record of failure speaks for itself. the lack of critical thought is on the loony left. newsflash for left-wing losers; record welfare and food stamps isn't "forward progress"

i don't disagree that that's not 'forward progress,' however those two metrics are not the sum total of the economy, nor is it possible or even responsible to place the blame for those two statistics solely and completely at the current president's feet.

 

[bedowin62]

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

You seem unable to process information.

And you're either very slow, or childishly claiming not to understand posts that eminently clear.

In either case, I'll wait for others with more ability.

no, i read it, it just didn't make a good argument.

you wail and moan about 'the fix' we're supposed in, for all intents and purposes blaming it on the president and by extension the people that voted for him.

you presume that these people must be ignorant and fools, although you don't do anything to corroborate that point of view.

further, when pressed to describe what you feel is 'the fix' you talk about economic factors, but you don't bother to think about what the cause of those factors are, or what you would have expected the president to do about them.

so yes, i stand by my initial assessment. you are just another right wing doomsdayer, repeating what you hear on talk radio and fox news without giving it real critical thought.

th poster laid out the information clearly. Obama's record of failure speaks for itself. you can cry all day or night tha he or she didn't make the case; it jus shows your immaturity. it is what it is; Obama is a failure

 

[bedowin62]

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

poor moronic left-wing crybabies. they don't realize Obama's record of failure speaks for itself. the lack of critical thought is on the loony left. newsflash for left-wing losers; record welfare and food stamps isn't "forward progress"

i don't disagree that that's not 'forward progress,' however those two metrics are not the sum total of the economy, nor is it possible or even responsible to place the blame for those two statistics solely and completely at the current president's feet.

I didn't see anyone saying "solely" this or that. you are making a false premise, charging the other side with it; then whining about it being unfair. you're lying to yourself

 

[bedowin62]

apparently we elected a big crybaby who only wants to blame others for his lack of success; his lemming followers are all too eager to go along with the pathetic excuses

 

[Mojo2]

Came across this quote in my local paper....and could not trace down the actual source....


Supposedly:
CZECH PRAGUE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE --

An article in the Prague newspaper, Prager Zeitungon:

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President."
snopes.com: Václav Klaus on Barack Obama



Although possibly mis-attributed, the veracity of the quote is undeniable.





One hears an echo of Milton Friedman's sentiment.....

“I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.”




Who's to blame?

Had it not been the willing lever-pulling of so many benighted individuals, we wouldn't be in the fix we are now.

Do you get the credit you deserve?

This is an important post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%

4. Total federal debt is up 58%

5. Gasoline prices are up 82%

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%

7. Debt held by the public is up 89%

... the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.

The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.

8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.
Obama?s Numbers, October Update

9... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun

10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama | NewsBusters

11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun


12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made

Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”
CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made | Dallas Morning News

13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

Why bring them up if you're not claiming cause and effect? So since you're claiming cause and effect,

prove it. One by one. All thirteen.

 

[NYcarbineer]

you said it was undeniably a legit quote, when in fact it could be a blithering neo-Nazi jacking off in a basement to a picture of Eva Braun with one hand and typing with another.

but have a nice night in whatever fantasy world you occupy, chic.

Time was she at least only resorted to using real people to do her thinking for her.

 

[FJO]

Why would anyone have to go all the way to the Czech Republic to find someone with Obama Derangement Syndrome,

when you have, for starters, USMB?

The Czech Republic article is NOT Obama Derangement Syndrome, it is the clear illustration of the high regard Europeans hold Obama.

 

[bedowin62]

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

Why bring them up if you're not claiming cause and effect? So since you're claiming cause and effect,

prove it. One by one. All thirteen.

HILARIOUS!! lmao!

the same left-wing nutjobs that want proof everything happening on Obama's watch can be ties to his ineptitude have no problem blaming the same things on Bush even though Obama is in his 6th YEAR
idiots and hypocrites

 

[bedowin62]

comical; these are the same left-wing nutjob that cant prove the Obama Stimulus "saved America from a Depression", that unemployment and welfare "saves or creates jobs", and any number of other items left-wing nutjobs take as the gospel truth; want proof Obama is a failure

it is what it is leftardz; PROGRESSIVE FAILURE

 

[FJO]

Is that what you glean after carefully perusing the OP?

after perusing the op i've gleaned that you aren't open to discussion, that you are just another doomsday rightwinger that believes america is going to end because we dared to elect a democrat as president.

big on wailing and gnashing of teeth but low on critical thought or real insight.

prove me wrong.

poor moronic left-wing crybabies. they don't realize Obama's record of failure speaks for itself. the lack of critical thought is on the loony left. newsflash for left-wing losers; record welfare and food stamps isn't "forward progress"

When the ultimate goal is a population tat is 100% pliable and dependent on the government, it most certainly is.

Wasn't that the whole idea behind "hope and change" and "fundamental transformation of America"?

 

[Synthaholic]

One hears an echo of Milton Friedman's sentiment.....

“I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.”

I agree with that.

So, how do we make it politically profitable for Republicans to (once again) support the Affordable Care Act?

How do we make it politically profitable for Republicans to (once again) support cap & trade?

 

[Synthaholic]

Somehow we have 30 governors who are Republicans to 20 Democrats, have had 5 presidents who were Republican since 1970 to 3 Democrats, and a GOP that boasts that it is more in-tune with America. This November sets up for the GOP to take the Senate and increase it's lead in the House just fine.

Yet who gets blamed for every problem under the sun. Democrats.

Surely the GOP has done something to contribute to the state of affairs in the nation...right?

Post #26 is for you, too.

Read and learn.

Nothing you write is worth reading.

Correction: cut and paste

 

[Synthaholic]

It's great to be alive an living in America today isn't it?

Where freedom of speech abounds.

Of course whoever wrote this is completely wrong, and we will continue to prove them wrong as well.

So.....you'd vote for him again, right?

As opposed to Romney and RYAN? Of course.

As opposed to McCain and PALIN?!? Any sane person would (and did!).

 

[Synthaholic]

and you would tie the economic issues entirely and solely to the president?

Of course she would! That's what political hackery is all about, and PoliticalChic is a proud practitioner.