Who to Believe in Coronavirus War of Words

[keepitreal]

The people that are cavalier about this don’t understand what we’re dealing with. This will be the number 1 cause of death this year by a wide margin

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

a couple of things:

1) you can’t believe the figures China is claiming

2) China is an authoritarian country that can take drastic measures we wouldn’t consider.

3) one thing China has plenty of is labor. They were able to build hospitals fast and they were better prepared with supplies than we are. We don’t have ventilators, medical equipment to protect healthcare professionals, or enough staff to deal with the pending demand.

1 & 2 is what I stated in the last reply I posted

 

[Rocko]

what I’m saying is the death rate is not at its peak yet.

There is no reason to think the mortality rate for infected people will increase. The numbers will increase but the mortality rate will decrease because we are better prepared now than we were at the beginning.

Sorry. The healthcare demand hasn’t even begun to take shape. We don’t have enough ventilators, Equiptment, staff to meet the pending demand. The death rate will go higher because we’re not prepared for what’s coming. Maybe the malaria drug will save lives, but it’s too early to tell.

If you have been following the press conferences, both the federal government and the states are buying up all the equipment we might need in a worst case scenario, so there is no reason to think we will experiences shortages in the future.

we’re not prepared. I’m not saying that to be political. From the research I’ve done and in paying attention to the facts that’s the conclusion I’ve come to accept. I’m not trying to predict anything and I’m listening to wiser people than myself. Hopefully I have the wrong information and this will all blow over with little to no damage.

We are well prepared to deal with the present situation and with all the billions of dollars that are currently being spent to procure more of everything that might be needed there is every reason to believe we will be prepared for whatever comes tomorrow.

Pretty much everyone believes this will blow over, but the question is when and how much suffering will we have to endure until them.

Yeah, but you have to keep in mind they’ll be an enormous spike in cases. A large chunk of the population is expected to be infected. As much as 50%. We don’t even have demand for even tests now. The burden on HC is going to be unprecedented.

your second paragraph I agree with.

 

[keepitreal]

The people that are cavalier about this don’t understand what we’re dealing with. This will be the number 1 cause of death this year by a wide margin

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

a couple of things:

1) you can’t believe the figures China is claiming

2) China is an authoritarian country that can take drastic measures we wouldn’t consider.

3) one thing China has plenty of is labor. They were able to build hospitals fast and they were better prepared with supplies than we are. We don’t have ventilators, medical equipment to protect healthcare professionals, or enough staff to deal with the pending demand.

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

So is my sister, whom I spoke with today
and she said nothing of the kind

She said they had 1 confirmed case, in ICU
and waiting on test results for 7 others

 

[Leo123]

There are way too many conflicting reports. Trump is right to have Pence as the go to guy for Coronavirus updates. All others should stay in the shadows since they are only making things more confusing.

---As many as 70,000 Americans could be confirmed as infected with coronavirus by the end of next week, marking a “pretty dramatic” increase in the number of confirmed cases, the director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins, told his employees in an agency-wide conference call on Friday.---

This prediction would indeed be a dramatic increase and is therefore hard to believe.

NIH director: 70K coronavirus cases could be confirmed in US by end of next week

Look around you, how many people do you know have coronavirus?

 

[keepitreal]

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

a couple of things:

1) you can’t believe the figures China is claiming

2) China is an authoritarian country that can take drastic measures we wouldn’t consider.

3) one thing China has plenty of is labor. They were able to build hospitals fast and they were better prepared with supplies than we are. We don’t have ventilators, medical equipment to protect healthcare professionals, or enough staff to deal with the pending demand.

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

not necessarily. You don’t know if Amazon can handle the demand. Just because masks are being sold to the private sector that doesn’t they have enough for every hospital worker.

Now, come on

They are sitting on the counter of my Walgreens

 

[OnePercenter]

The people that are cavalier about this don’t understand what we’re dealing with. This will be the number 1 cause of death this year by a wide margin

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

As long as the people shot and killed in Chicago are black that would make you happy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Oh no not 230k, more than a million. Sorry to say

What do you base this claim on, wishful thinking? ... if you have a credible citation, then please post a link ... otherwise it sounds like you're just making this up ...

All good questions.
We know this is a novel virus. That means it jumped from animals to humans for presumably the first time. That means there should be no person with the necessary antibodies that would stop the virus outright from reproducing in their body.
We know that not everyone gets horribly ill after becoming infected so there must be other factors involved.

As far as I know, since this is a novel virus and there are no human antibodies, there is nothing to stop this. That's why it spreads so readily. Heard immunity is aquired over time. Usually generations.
Usually what happens is the virus, after reproducing itself a zillion times in people, mutates either into a type that is less easily spread or is able to be managed in a better way. This virus has already mutated at least three times. Once to transmit from animals to human. Once to transmit from human to human and once more in general. Our best hope is that it mutates into a less transmittable form.

I'll ask you the same question ... do you have a credible link for this information? ...

This is a novel strain of an ubiquitous virus ... however, typical stains of the Corona family of viruses are not deadly ... that's what's new with this strain ... every year there's a new strain and every year humans have no immunity, exactly like the flu virus ... you've made some pretty wild and crazy claims here, as though this virus family hasn't been around since the common cold, or that it's mutated in some unknown way ... it's a virus just like every other virus, not magical, basic common sense hygiene will be a big help ending the epidemic ...

The both of you ... the question is who should we trust ... why should we trust you? ...

Your incompetence aside.
My "claims" are neither "wild nor crazy".

I encourage you to do your own homework. Educate yourself.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There are way too many conflicting reports. Trump is right to have Pence as the go to guy for Coronavirus updates. All others should stay in the shadows since they are only making things more confusing.

---As many as 70,000 Americans could be confirmed as infected with coronavirus by the end of next week, marking a “pretty dramatic” increase in the number of confirmed cases, the director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins, told his employees in an agency-wide conference call on Friday.---

This prediction would indeed be a dramatic increase and is therefore hard to believe.

NIH director: 70K coronavirus cases could be confirmed in US by end of next week

I think it might be a low estimate based upon the current curve for cases..

 

[keepitreal]

The people that are cavalier about this don’t understand what we’re dealing with. This will be the number 1 cause of death this year by a wide margin

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

As long as the people shot and killed in Chicago are black that would make you happy.

As long as...
THEY ALWAYS ARE BLACK

50 OF 85 WERE BLACK

WHAT DOES RACE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING YOU ****
I DIDNT LIST ANYTHING BY RACE

MY POINT WAS MORE PEOPLE ARE SHOT AND KILLED
IN THE STREETS OF CHICAGO THEN WILL DIE FROM CoV

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There are way too many conflicting reports. Trump is right to have Pence as the go to guy for Coronavirus updates. All others should stay in the shadows since they are only making things more confusing.

---As many as 70,000 Americans could be confirmed as infected with coronavirus by the end of next week, marking a “pretty dramatic” increase in the number of confirmed cases, the director of the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Francis Collins, told his employees in an agency-wide conference call on Friday.---

This prediction would indeed be a dramatic increase and is therefore hard to believe.

NIH director: 70K coronavirus cases could be confirmed in US by end of next week

That would be pretty incredible, considering the total number of cases to date in China is only 81,300, and they were the source of the outbreak and have been dealing with it since November. Unless, of course, they've been lying all along in their reporting.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0320-sitrep-60-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=8894045a_2

They also shut down entire cities where nobody was allowed to even walk outside.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

a couple of things:

1) you can’t believe the figures China is claiming

2) China is an authoritarian country that can take drastic measures we wouldn’t consider.

3) one thing China has plenty of is labor. They were able to build hospitals fast and they were better prepared with supplies than we are. We don’t have ventilators, medical equipment to protect healthcare professionals, or enough staff to deal with the pending demand.

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

not necessarily. You don’t know if Amazon can handle the demand. Just because masks are being sold to the private sector that doesn’t they have enough for every hospital worker.

Now, come on

They are sitting on the counter of my Walgreens

Sure. Just not an anti-pathogen,N-95 medical grade mask, dope.

 

[Leo123]

All good questions.
We know this is a novel virus. That means it jumped from animals to humans for presumably the first time. That means there should be no person with the necessary antibodies that would stop the virus outright from reproducing in their body.
We know that not everyone gets horribly ill after becoming infected so there must be other factors involved.

As far as I know, since this is a novel virus and there are no human antibodies, there is nothing to stop this. That's why it spreads so readily. Heard immunity is aquired over time. Usually generations.
Usually what happens is the virus, after reproducing itself a zillion times in people, mutates either into a type that is less easily spread or is able to be managed in a better way. This virus has already mutated at least three times. Once to transmit from animals to human. Once to transmit from human to human and once more in general. Our best hope is that it mutates into a less transmittable form.

People who get infected develop antibodies. One may not even know they are sick, get over it and never get it again but, can be carriers.

 

[Leo123]

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

not necessarily. You don’t know if Amazon can handle the demand. Just because masks are being sold to the private sector that doesn’t they have enough for every hospital worker.

Now, come on

They are sitting on the counter of my Walgreens

Sure. Just not an anti-pathogen,N-95 medical grade mask, dope.

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That mask will not preclude getting infected from the skin, the hair or the eyes. or anywhere else on the body. One would need a HAZMAT suit for that. However, masks are effective at limiting the spread of airborne particles in one who is infected and coughing, sneezing, etc. They are the ones that should be wearing masks.

 

[beagle9]

Question - Are companies recognizing those elderly employee's that might be vulnerable to the virus, and therefore are they allowing them to not be put at risk while this thing is lurking in their surroundings, otherwise as this invisible killer for which it is to them ??

Right now there are vulnerable individuals still working with the Public in positions that place them at a higher risk of contacting the disease, and especially while weakened due to their age, and because of their positions in life (not included are the protected health care workers who have what they need provided them in order to stay safe).

If these elder citizen's contact the virus, it not only puts them at extreme risk, but it also puts many others that are in their chain at risk just as well.

Are employers doing the right thing for those who are at a higher risk, and therefore are they placing them in areas of the workforce that would have far less exposure to them if are currently working directly with the public at large ?? These mainly include elderly service workers who deal with high volumes of people in which are not tested, and could easily have this virus going undetected by such workers who might be exposed in this way.

Possible solutions are - If a person is over the age of 58(?), and are currently a service worker in America (dealing with the public at large), then maybe it's time to retire them early in order to save their lives in light of this situation..... Anyone over the age of 58(?) should be highly considered for the relief if have to deal directly with the public at large by what I have read here tonight. What say you America ?? Are we ready to protect America or just give lip service to the ideas that are evolving constantly around this thing ?

Either it's dangerous or not, now which is it ???

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So is my sister, whom I spoke with today
and she said nothing of the kind

She said they had 1 confirmed case, in ICU
and waiting on test results for 7 others

where are they keeping the 7 others?

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no reason to think the mortality rate for infected people will increase. The numbers will increase but the mortality rate will decrease because we are better prepared now than we were at the beginning.

Sorry. The healthcare demand hasn’t even begun to take shape. We don’t have enough ventilators, Equiptment, staff to meet the pending demand. The death rate will go higher because we’re not prepared for what’s coming. Maybe the malaria drug will save lives, but it’s too early to tell.

If you have been following the press conferences, both the federal government and the states are buying up all the equipment we might need in a worst case scenario, so there is no reason to think we will experiences shortages in the future.

we’re not prepared. I’m not saying that to be political. From the research I’ve done and in paying attention to the facts that’s the conclusion I’ve come to accept. I’m not trying to predict anything and I’m listening to wiser people than myself. Hopefully I have the wrong information and this will all blow over with little to no damage.

We are well prepared to deal with the present situation and with all the billions of dollars that are currently being spent to procure more of everything that might be needed there is every reason to believe we will be prepared for whatever comes tomorrow.

Pretty much everyone believes this will blow over, but the question is when and how much suffering will we have to endure until them.

Yeah, but you have to keep in mind they’ll be an enormous spike in cases. A large chunk of the population is expected to be infected. As much as 50%. We don’t even have demand for even tests now. The burden on HC is going to be unprecedented.

your second paragraph I agree with.

It is likely that many people will be infected by the virus, but very few will require hospital care, so there seems to be nothing but panic motivating these claims that our healthcare system will be overwhelmed.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is likely that many people will be infected by the virus, but very few will require hospital care, so there seems to be nothing but panic motivating these claims that our healthcare system will be overwhelmed.

What percent do you think it would take to overwhelm hospitals that were already working at capacity before the virus hit?

What percent do you think it would take to overwhelm the nurses that have been taking higher and higher patient loads for the last decade as hospitals try and cut cost?

 

[beagle9]

The people that are cavalier about this don’t understand what we’re dealing with. This will be the number 1 cause of death this year by a wide margin

I'm just gonna use an area w small numbers

Henan China

1,273 confirmed cases
22 deaths
1,250 recovered
1 active

There were 2 deaths for every 127 confirmed cases

Now, to put that in perspective, here in Chicago,
as of right now, since Jan. 1 there have been...

457 people shot(confirmed cases)
84 shot and killed(deaths)
373 shot and wounded(recovered)

There were 21 deaths for every 114 people shot

a couple of things:

1) you can’t believe the figures China is claiming

2) China is an authoritarian country that can take drastic measures we wouldn’t consider.

3) one thing China has plenty of is labor. They were able to build hospitals fast and they were better prepared with supplies than we are. We don’t have ventilators, medical equipment to protect healthcare professionals, or enough staff to deal with the pending demand.

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

So are the employers doing what's right for their employee's or are they letting their bottom lines or don't give a crap attitudes get in their way ???

 

[toomuchtime_]

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

not necessarily. You don’t know if Amazon can handle the demand. Just because masks are being sold to the private sector that doesn’t they have enough for every hospital worker.

Now, come on

They are sitting on the counter of my Walgreens

Sure. Just not an anti-pathogen,N-95 medical grade mask, dope.

View attachment 313706

Wrong.

Amazon.com: n95 respirator mask

 

[keepitreal]

I doubt that's true. I haven't heard of anyone who needed a ventilator not being able to be put on one, and respirator masks are being sold on Amazon, so there is no reason for any healthcare workers not to have one. I think people are confusing what we need now with what we might need in a worst case scenario, but both the federal government and the states are working hard to stock up now so I doubt we will face any shortages as we go forward.

my sister is a healthcare worker and she tells me healthcare workers are being left out to dry. And she specifically emphasized a big **** you to those that are buying respirator masks on Amazon, in the medical profession there’s a shortage. Remember. You need a healthcare worker to operate a ventilator. And as healthcare workers get sick that adds to the problems meeting demand.

The point is, if there are enough respirator masks for Amazon to sell them, then your sister's employer ought to be able to provide them to its employees.

not necessarily. You don’t know if Amazon can handle the demand. Just because masks are being sold to the private sector that doesn’t they have enough for every hospital worker.

Now, come on

They are sitting on the counter of my Walgreens

Sure. Just not an anti-pathogen,N-95 medical grade mask, dope.

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ROFLMFAO
HEY DOPE WHERE IS THE MICRO VENTILATION FAN