Who Thinks the Economy Will Be Back to January 2020 Levels by End of October This Year?

[eddiew]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

 

[eddiew]

He had 8 years in which the DJIA grew in spite of Obama rather than because of Obama. Big difference. If an economy grows in spite of a President or political party’s power, it is usually over a long period of time, not short term.

They very gradual climb in the Dow was in spite of that meat puppet faggot. Americans work for prosperity and to enhance their standard of living. The moonbat messiah's 8 years was the worst I've had as far as making more money. I had to stay stuck in a job I hated because there was nothing else available. Now I've been able to expand my career path and have optimism for the future.

This is because Trump deregulated the economy and worked to secure the border.

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Obama’s crap nearly sunk a Fortune 500 company that I had worked at for 15 years. As it was they lost many countrywide warehouses/locations. Sending many jobs to India,The Philippines and Mexico.

Now democrats are destroying small businesses. Democrats are poison to the economy.

Yeah repubs have done a great job. Just look at how great things are now. You must love HUGE deficits.

It was and is Democratic governors doing the majority of the damage.you apparently love Marxists and poverty.

IF trump had acted as a leader instead of looking for excuses this virus might not have caused half the damage it has Trump cares about re election That's all

That’s not all. Consider the fact you people are looking to replace Trump with regime the capitulates to China and WHO. China caused COVID. China is the root cause abd tried to cover it up with its enabler, WHO.

And you consider ....you people let Putin offer bounties on American soldiers Trump is scum

 

[Crepitus]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

Lol, when was the last time the Dow was really connected to the economy?

 

[eagle1462010]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

Of couse you don't see it that way..........

 

[Care4all]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

So am I, but I still see it as a market built on feelings, and not the facts on the ground....

There is no choice though, unless a 1% interest rate for saving is good enough, but of course it is not.

 

[eddiew]

U S reports record number of new cases EU barring travelers from America Trump knew Putin offering bounties on our soldiers and did NOTHING?? Nice work republicans

 

[Crepitus]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

Your viewpoint not withstanding it is indeed nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

The economy tanks and the markets go up?

C'mon man, wake up.

 

[eddiew]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

So am I, but I still see it as a market built on feelings, and not the facts on the ground....

There is no choice though, unless a 1% interest rate for saving is good enough, but of course it is not.

Mtge rates low Good time to buy a home and isn't the market a forward looking indicator?

 

[eagle1462010]

We DEMAND ALL THE SAME BENEFITS OF THE WALLSTREET BANKERS.....Let us have the key to that back door of the Federal Reserve and the enter button.............then lend to the gov't for a steady cut.

And we demand access to the same thing......same place with Fractional Banking......which after 2000 allowed it to go on steroids and screwed the nation in 8 years...........History repeating itself...........

Tell me the REAL ASSETS TO LIE-A-BILITY of the Zombie banks..........and their Money Laundering......

 

[eddiew]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

Your viewpoint not withstanding it is indeed nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

The economy tanks and the markets go up?

C'mon man, wake up.

Like I said ,it's a forward looking indicator There are folks on a higher limb than I that say when, NOT if , this virus is over our economy will climb higher Who am I to argue? And btw I'm an avowed Dem and believe a Biden presidency will bring the market down but he still gets my vote

 

[eddiew]

We DEMAND ALL THE SAME BENEFITS OF THE WALLSTREET BANKERS.....Let us have the key to that back door of the Federal Reserve and the enter button.............then lend to the gov't for a steady cut.

And we demand access to the same thing......same place with Fractional Banking......which after 2000 allowed it to go on steroids and screwed the nation in 8 years...........History repeating itself...........

Tell me the REAL ASSETS TO LIE-A-BILITY of the Zombie banks..........and their Money Laundering......

And I'd like the same benefits of those in congress but we both can whistle Dixie

 

[eagle1462010]

We DEMAND ALL THE SAME BENEFITS OF THE WALLSTREET BANKERS.....Let us have the key to that back door of the Federal Reserve and the enter button.............then lend to the gov't for a steady cut.

And we demand access to the same thing......same place with Fractional Banking......which after 2000 allowed it to go on steroids and screwed the nation in 8 years...........History repeating itself...........

Tell me the REAL ASSETS TO LIE-A-BILITY of the Zombie banks..........and their Money Laundering......

And I'd like the same benefits of those in congress but we both can whistle Dixie

Shall we have a Sarcasm duel at 10 paces.........we can throw worthless paper at each other.....LOL

 

[Crepitus]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

Your viewpoint not withstanding it is indeed nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

The economy tanks and the markets go up?

C'mon man, wake up.

Like I said ,it's a forward looking indicator There are folks on a higher limb than I that say when, NOT if , this virus is over our economy will climb higher Who am I to argue? And btw I'm an avowed Dem and believe a Biden presidency will bring the market down but he still gets my vote

It's not a "forward looking indicator". It's a mechanism to make rich people richer at the expense of us everyday schmoes.

 

[eddiew]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

The DOW is NOT the economy.... You know that, right?

Yes, I know that, but it is a measure of the investors confidence in future growth of the economy.

What objective metric would you use instead of the DJIA?

GDP, employment, etc...... What is happening on the ground...

Only about half of every day Joe Americans are even in the stock market.....

And I'd like to see it back to normal too....

but the stock market has not been stable since Trump arrived.... the huge swings up and huge swings down, on a dime, and much without reason, makes it pretty unstable, and not an indicator of anything but a Mood Ring of nonsense....

The stock market is not a reflection of the economy. And putting money in the stock market is not investing, it is saving. And the stock market is at the level it is, not because of any fundamentals, but because, with interest rates damn near zero, it is the only place to put savings. It is at the level it is because wealthy individuals, who control most of the market, have been making out like bandits but have no real investment opportunities for their excess funds. So they "save" those funds by speculating in the market. The truth is, when real investment opportunities do show up, like when real income actually starts to grow, the stock market will tank as those wealthy individuals cash in their savings and invest in endeavors that create jobs and propel the frontier curve outward. At this point, a declining stock market is a better indicator of a healthy economy than one that continues to rise. A rising stock market indicates a dysfunctional economy that stifles small business and discourages real investment.

I'd like to agree with you but sadly we have differences Stocks tank , 100's of 1000's laid off and that brings on a healthy economy? What of all regular people with money in 401 K's or IRA's ? Saving for retirement ,seeing their investments crushed???

My parents saved and made a couple of million in retirement without ever risking their money in the stock market.... They went through the late 70s and early 80s with CDs paying 10% and up interest.... No risks..... every handful of years they doubled their savings....

Interest rates are so low, people are forced to put it in the stock market, which is risky...more or less, a rolling Ponzi scheme....

And no mention of the FED flooding the economy with money?? You'll have to forgive me but I'm heavily invested in the stock market and don't view it as a Ponzi scheme

Your viewpoint not withstanding it is indeed nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.

The economy tanks and the markets go up?

C'mon man, wake up.

Like I said ,it's a forward looking indicator There are folks on a higher limb than I that say when, NOT if , this virus is over our economy will climb higher Who am I to argue? And btw I'm an avowed Dem and believe a Biden presidency will bring the market down but he still gets my vote

It's not a "forward looking indicator". It's a mechanism to make rich people richer at the expense of us everyday schmoes.

You might not believe me but it hurts me to see you describe yourself that way but 30,40 years ago where was I going to put the little money I had ? How was I to save to buy a home ,put 2 kids thru college etc etc? I thought if I invested wisely my retirement wouldn't be a hardship and needless to say I got lucky

 

[Crepitus]

needless to say I got lucky

Most don't.

 

[Andylusion]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

I think Trump will win regardless of the economy.

The reason is because the economy will be good or bad, based on how locked down, or reopened the states are, and the left-wing wants lock downs, and Trump does not.

So regardless of where the economy is, Trump is on the good side of the argument, and left-wingers are on the bad side.

 

[eddiew]

needless to say I got lucky

Most don't.

My secret was I did nothing just watched , added when I had a few loose bucks But I agree most don't

 

[eddiew]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

I think Trump will win regardless of the economy.

The reason is because the economy will be good or bad, based on how locked down, or reopened the states are, and the left-wing wants lock downs, and Trump does not.

So regardless of where the economy is, Trump is on the good side of the argument, and left-wingers are on the bad side.

Think you're smoking something Trump is never on the good side of an argument From his tariff war to the lateness fighting the virus he's been wrong right down the line and if you think different ,,,,YOU'RE FIRED

 

[Winston]

I think if Trump has the Ecopnomy back to Jan 2020 levels of performance, he wins the election in a cake walk.

I think Trump will win regardless of the economy.

The reason is because the economy will be good or bad, based on how locked down, or reopened the states are, and the left-wing wants lock downs, and Trump does not.

So regardless of where the economy is, Trump is on the good side of the argument, and left-wingers are on the bad side.

How did that good side work out for Texas and Florida?

 

[Crepitus]

needless to say I got lucky

Most don't.

My secret was I did nothing just watched , added when I had a few loose bucks But I agree most don't

I don't have a secret, I let a professional do it.