Who Really Won World War II?

[William Joyce]

What would Enoch Powell say? Rivers of blood and all that?

They mocked him for that.

But what do we have in England today but exactly that?

Not friggin likely.

7/7. It wasn't a convenience store.

 

[elvis]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

yes, the Russians gained power and conquered eastern europe.

 

[roomy]

Roomy is a- bed, sleeping off indulgences . Reminds me of of a quote from Shakespeare, about all those that hold their manhood cheap. We still love England, we just don't love egotists . By the way, I wasn't kidding about Vera Lynn. I hear her singing like a robin on my back porch. We will meet again . Now, let's hear what Englanders think about Poles. All those immigrants Ya hate em. What would Enoch Powell say? Rivers of blood and all that? I relate to that, boyo. What the hell do I know. I'm thick as a brick.

Thick as fuck.Your dad did a good thing then he did a bad thing, hello thick bastard.

 

[Oddball]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

yes, the Russians gained power and conquered eastern europe.

Yup.

And the commies didn't even have to share Poland with the Nazis.

 

[BaltimoreBob]

Who won WWII
those that didn't get killed by it.
Baltimore Bob

 

[Tinktink]

Personally I believe the true winners of WWII were those sentenced to die in forced labor and concentration camps, and didn't. No victory was sweeter, more profound nor cherished as much as theirs and the generations of them left to continue on.

 

[mememe]

Well, it's certain the Poles lost.

The entire premise of the Euro alliance declaring war on Germany was the liberation of allied Poland.

Yet when the bombing and shooting was all finished, Poland was still a conquered and occupied land, by Bolsheviks from the east rather than Huns from the west.

Now who's being naive, Dude?

Poland was destined for a cull when POLAND (!!!!!) and Britain rejected Stalin's suggestion to confront Hitler in 1938. You see, Poland loved to gain Czechoslovakian territories as part of Munich Agreement, and forgot that what goes around comes around...

With regard to it been occupied by mysterious "Bolsheviks", name me one in power in Poland that was not home grown! How can a nation occupy itself?

 

[mememe]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

yes, the Russians gained power and conquered eastern europe.

O dear!..

1. Russians or Soviets?
2. The world was divided between the Soviet Union on one side and Britain and the US on the other side during Yalta meeting. After the war each side took what "belong" to it.
3. If not for Stalin sticking to Yalta's agreement, Spain and Greece (perhaps France) would've been "Soviet"; as it happened, Stalin allowed US and Britain to strangle the local communist/socialist parties in those countries...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

yes, the Russians gained power and conquered eastern europe.

O dear!..

1. Russians or Soviets?
2. The world was divided between the Soviet Union on one side and Britain and the US on the other side during Yalta meeting. After the war each side took what "belong" to it.
3. If not for Stalin sticking to Yalta's agreement, Spain and Greece (perhaps France) would've been "Soviet"; as it happened, Stalin allowed US and Britain to strangle the local communist/socialist parties in those countries...

Straight up LIE. I guess all those years the Greeks fought the communists and nearly lost, after WW2, were just a bad dream. Those communists were armed and trained by the Soviets.

Spain was never Communist you dumb ass. Franco HATED communism, that is the whole reason he took over Spain from the criminally inept Socialist Government the Civil War was fought against. How soon we forget, Spain under Franco sent an entire Division to fight for the Germans on the Eastern Front.

 

[mememe]

Straight up LIE. I guess all those years the Greeks fought the communists and nearly lost, after WW2, were just a bad dream. Those communists were armed and trained by the Soviets.

No need to shout.

If you are really interested, you can find out for yourself about the political climate in France, Spain, Italy, etc. just after the war; and the role US played in “adjusting” the situation in those countries.

“…in the mountains of Greece the resistance has sprung up, made up of mostly communists. In September 1941 the National Liberation Front (EAM) is formed. The most important offshoot of this group is the National People's Liberation Army or Ethnikos Laikos Apeleftherotikos Stratos (ELAS), which is founded in December 1941 as the military arm of EAM…

Meanwhile across the Mediterranean, a Greek government in exile has been set up in Egypt… “(by British since Egypt was under the British rule).

At that time British regarded ELAS as allies and were fighting together against Nazis.

“King George… had sent a memorandum to the British Middle East Headquarters… In it he foresaw the power the communists would have in Greece after the war and the power the Soviet Union would have as well.”

“Fearing that post-war Greece would be ‘claimed’ by the Communist forces, the British and the Greek right came to the conclusion that these forces, which had contributed so much to the liberation of Greece from Nazi rule, had to be isolated and even defeated. In 1944, Britain pressured the Soviet Union to rein in ELAS. The Allies recruited men from the former collaborationist forces in Greece and encouraged them to take ELAS on.”
Grivas, anyone? The very same Grivas that in 1950 was killing British.

“Grivas attempted to collaborate with the Nazis against EAM and ELAS but the Nazis were not interested in arming yet another band of Greeks. Organisation X was armed with British weapons supplied directly by the British and not acquired in an indirect way (e.g. from dead soldiers).”

“At the end of 1944, a British force entered Greece, took Athens, and set about physically defeating the Greek liberation forces (the German and Italian armies had already been defeated). Churchill ordered: ‘Do not hesitate to act as if you were in a conquered city where a local rebellion is in progress.’ He made clear that the ‘objective’ was ‘the defeat of the [National Liberation Front]’ … The British bombed working-class areas of Athens and suppressed demonstrations. There followed, between 1946 and 1949, the Greek Civil War, between Governmental Forces, which received logistical support first from Britain and later from the United States, and the Democratic Army of Greece, the military wing of the Communist Party.”
“Following the Second World War, American intervention on the side of Greece’s right wing became key. The Truman Doctrine of 1947 offered economic and military support to authoritarian rulers in Greece, Turkey and Iran, in order to prevent these states, on the eastern fringes of Europe or in central Asia, from falling under the influence of the Soviet Union. With the benefit of massive American aid, the Governmental Forces defeated the Democratic Army of Greece in 1949, bringing the Civil War to an end. There followed a period of severe repression of left-wing parties and activists. With American backing, the new right-wing rulers of Greece outlawed the Communist Party, forcing many Communists to flee into exile or to face persecution and impoverishment at home … In 1952, despite its febrile political climate and undemocratic nature, Greece was made a member of NATO to bolster its position as a key American ally against Soviet influence.
American backing for Greek authoritarianism reached its nadir in 1967 with The Regime of the Colonels, or what Greeks refer to as The Seven Years: the seizing of political power by elements in the military between 1967 and 1974.”
also: Churchill: A Life, Martin Gilbert, Henry Holt & Company, 1992

 

[Gunny]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

WWII wasn't a war about East and West. It was a war to end fascism, tyranny and/or imperialism. To that end, the allied powers were successful in defeating the axis powers. The communist nations helped the allies and fought against the axis. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[mememe]

The West? Not really. Communism took root and we had to deal with that for 50 years.

WWII wasn't a war about East and West. It was a war to end fascism, tyranny and/or imperialism.

Is that why even before the war ended the US and Britain not only admitted German, Ukrainian, etc. Nazis, but also granted them immunity from persecution; used them in ideological Cold War; and put their descendants into power in Baltic countries and Ukraine after the colourful revolutions?

No, WW2 truly ended in 1992; the US won. Enjoy the mess...