Who is responsible for YOU?

[sealybobo]

California Chronicle | Aanestad Wants Answers from Friday´s Job Loss Hearing

Since 2001, California lost 523,500 manufacturing jobs, representing almost 30 percent of the state´s industrial base. Over the past eight years, the state shed nearly 600,000 private sector jobs overall, according to the Employment Development Department, with thousands of those relocating to our neighbor to the east.


Democwats did this.. no one else. did.

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

 

[Nik]

Volunteer fire department, volunteer EMTs in my neck of the woods, asshole.

Redneck, right wing.

Did those volunteers build the fire trucks and ambulances as well? Just because the labor is free doesn't mean its all free, or that the region doesn't incur expenses for its use.

 

[sealybobo]

Volunteer EMTs saved my life not quite two years ago.

See, volunteers can fuck up too.

 

[sealybobo]

Volunteer fire department, volunteer EMTs in my neck of the woods, asshole.

Redneck, right wing.

Did those volunteers build the fire trucks and ambulances as well? Just because the labor is free doesn't mean its all free, or that the region doesn't incur expenses for its use.

Off topic, but Palin makes rape victims pay for their own rape kits.

 

[sealybobo]

bobo,, you should stop and think about who has been in charge in California.. Liberals and ultra liberals,, taxed the system to death,, that's why companies pick up and leave.. and still are leaving.. many citizens are sure to follow..

Arnold the Job Terminator?

You should look into which states have the biggest housing problems, etc. They aren't all blue states.

Anyways, once again you prove how ignorant you are.

Do companies get something in return for the taxes they pay?

How come every company doesn't pick up and move to Arkansas, W. Virginia or Kentucky since they have the lowest taxes?

I'll tell you why. Because you get more from California. Their schools might be better, their police, fire departments, logistics, etc. Not to mention all the other companies doing business in California. Companies want to be where other companies are. All the defense companies were in California for a reason.

I can't list them all, nor will I for someone like you who doesn't listen. The point is, states with higher taxes generally have reasons why they get away with charging those higher taxes. Better schools, police, fire departments, better logistics, etc.

But the red states are dropping their pants and giving away the farm just to lure companies to their borders. FINE. I don't mind. BUT, don't expect those jobs to stay forever, because its still cheaper in Mexico.

And don't cry to us about companies leaving your suck ass states. We won't care.

Bobo, I lived in Ca. for 41 years. The libs have taken the state down to near bankruptcy status because of 1) taxing, 2) illegals 3) education, because of the teachers union 4) spending, the libs want to spend, and tax, and Ca. income tax rate is fairly high already. I think it's 1st or 2nd highest in the nation. Arnie took over from Gray Davis with a 5 billion dollar deficit, now it's in the 20 billion dollar deficit.
The school system now is ranked somewhere in the 40's out 50 states. Hospitals are closing, businesses are moving to other states because the business environment has eroded. You really need to get your facts straight on Ca.

State income tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No I don't. I understand all those problems. I understand how many illegals you have draining your treasury. And, I understand states spending are out of control. Not just blue states either.

I just don't agree its because of LIBERALS". Do you? Who's hiring the illegals? That's why they go to California and Arizona and everywhere else. Its an illegal employer problem.

I have said this over and over again. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits. This is why we have illegal employers. They pay illegals less and they don't even have to provide health insurance. So when they get sick, you and I pay for it. Great idea for the illegal employers.

So this is just one small example of what's wrong with America, not just California.

If you want me to show that I completely understand, are you ready to read the fucking book I have to write? I didn't think so.

I'm responding to idiots, so a lot of times their mindless comments get me to respond back in kind.

And you just said Arnie took the state from 5 bill in debt to 20 bill? Isn't he a Republican? Socially liberal but fiscally conservative?

Notice none of his conservative ideas work?

 

[WillowTree]

California Chronicle | Aanestad Wants Answers from Friday´s Job Loss Hearing

Since 2001, California lost 523,500 manufacturing jobs, representing almost 30 percent of the state´s industrial base. Over the past eight years, the state shed nearly 600,000 private sector jobs overall, according to the Employment Development Department, with thousands of those relocating to our neighbor to the east.


Democwats did this.. no one else. did.

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

 

[WillowTree]

Arnold the Job Terminator?

You should look into which states have the biggest housing problems, etc. They aren't all blue states.

Anyways, once again you prove how ignorant you are.

Do companies get something in return for the taxes they pay?

How come every company doesn't pick up and move to Arkansas, W. Virginia or Kentucky since they have the lowest taxes?

I'll tell you why. Because you get more from California. Their schools might be better, their police, fire departments, logistics, etc. Not to mention all the other companies doing business in California. Companies want to be where other companies are. All the defense companies were in California for a reason.

I can't list them all, nor will I for someone like you who doesn't listen. The point is, states with higher taxes generally have reasons why they get away with charging those higher taxes. Better schools, police, fire departments, better logistics, etc.

But the red states are dropping their pants and giving away the farm just to lure companies to their borders. FINE. I don't mind. BUT, don't expect those jobs to stay forever, because its still cheaper in Mexico.

And don't cry to us about companies leaving your suck ass states. We won't care.

Bobo, I lived in Ca. for 41 years. The libs have taken the state down to near bankruptcy status because of 1) taxing, 2) illegals 3) education, because of the teachers union 4) spending, the libs want to spend, and tax, and Ca. income tax rate is fairly high already. I think it's 1st or 2nd highest in the nation. Arnie took over from Gray Davis with a 5 billion dollar deficit, now it's in the 20 billion dollar deficit.
The school system now is ranked somewhere in the 40's out 50 states. Hospitals are closing, businesses are moving to other states because the business environment has eroded. You really need to get your facts straight on Ca.

State income tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No I don't. I understand all those problems. I understand how many illegals you have draining your treasury. And, I understand states spending are out of control. Not just blue states either.

I just don't agree its because of LIBERALS". Do you? Who's hiring the illegals? it could possibly be rich libral californians donchyathink? That's why they go to California and Arizona and everywhere else. Its an illegal employer problem.

I have said this over and over again. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits. This is why we have illegal employers. They pay illegals less and they don't even have to provide health insurance. So when they get sick, you and I pay for it. Great idea for the illegal employers.

So this is just one small example of what's wrong with America, not just California.

If you want me to show that I completely understand, are you ready to read the fucking book I have to write? I didn't think so.

I'm responding to idiots, so a lot of times their mindless comments get me to respond back in kind.

And you just said Arnie took the state from 5 bill in debt to 20 bill? Isn't he a Republican? Socially liberal but fiscally conservative?

Notice none of his conservative ideas work?

 

[Nik]

California Chronicle | Aanestad Wants Answers from Friday´s Job Loss Hearing

Since 2001, California lost 523,500 manufacturing jobs, representing almost 30 percent of the state´s industrial base. Over the past eight years, the state shed nearly 600,000 private sector jobs overall, according to the Employment Development Department, with thousands of those relocating to our neighbor to the east.


Democwats did this.. no one else. did.

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

 

[AllieBaba]

Bob, you know you're the site laughingstock, right?

Not only are you stupid, you're hateful as well. What a wonderful combination!

 

[WillowTree]

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

 

[sealybobo]

California Chronicle | Aanestad Wants Answers from Friday´s Job Loss Hearing

Since 2001, California lost 523,500 manufacturing jobs, representing almost 30 percent of the state´s industrial base. Over the past eight years, the state shed nearly 600,000 private sector jobs overall, according to the Employment Development Department, with thousands of those relocating to our neighbor to the east.


Democwats did this.. no one else. did.

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Your states are next. They saved a little by going to your state but that won't be enough for the greedy corporations.

And just look at how broke you guys were for hundreds of years before corporations figured out they could use you.

Oh, and don't think we don't get it wiwwow. My mom worked in a factory 30 years ago. That factory is still there. The owner told them, "if you even bring up the word unions, i will pick up and move down south so fast.

But there were reasons why they stayed here wiwwow. They stayed where the auto giants were. The big 3 were their customers.

Ok, so fine, they are moving down south and overseas. We get it. We cost too much.

Just remember, so do you. You're next.

And I don't mind the manufacturing jobs going down south. Those red necks are perfect for that mindless work.

Just don't cry when they leave your states next.

But I doubt any of you will complain because you are responsible for you, plus you guys are used to living in misery and poverty. You can always feed yourself with the chickens in your backyard or the fish in your streams.

HOw's the General Lee running? I bet gas prices killed you last year.

 

[Agnapostate]

We are heading down the path to socialism with this President and his democratic house and senate. I think that very soon people will come to realise that this is not the American dream. Everyone should have the opportunity to be all that they can be without government interference. Socialism has never worked, it robbs individuals of incentive and destroys any motivation.

Why on earth would you pay and work hard to get a PHD when you can work as a garbage collector and make the same money and have the same quality of life??? Answer--- you wouldn't. That's socialism and that's the road we are on now.

I don't believe I've ever encountered a single rightist on a political message board with an accurate understanding of socialism.

 

[sealybobo]

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

Are they? Probably because they take in more federal tax dollars than they give.

And because they are used to having nothing. So something, no matter how small, makes them happy.

 

[Nik]

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

Manufacturing & the proposition system. Neither that has jack shit to do with unions. States all over the US are losing manufacturing jobs.

 

[sealybobo]

Bob, you know you're the site laughingstock, right?

Not only are you stupid, you're hateful as well. What a wonderful combination!

Do you realize this is the pot calling the kettle black?

I see liberals posting on here every day that I agree with.

Are they laughing at me? Maybe because i'm over the top and a conspiracy theorist, but the fact is, I agree with what they are saying, and they never argue with me.

So I may be a laughing stock to the righties on this board, but thats because I am the only one who is PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT!!!

You guys liked it a lot better when it was ok to be proud to be a conservative or republican, but you don't want us to be proud of what we are?

I'm a liberal progressive democrat! And my party won the election. So who's the laughing stock bitch?

You're proud of Reagan, right? Then that makes you a laughing stock. Fucking elzheimer fud.

And I am very very hateful, to you right wingers, who seem to hate us.

What did that audience member yell at that **** Palin's rally? Kill him?

Rush doesn't hate? O'Reilly and Hannity don't hate?

Fuck you!!!

I don't hate you. I dispise you as much as you dispise me. No more or less.

 

[WillowTree]

Very glad you brought this up. Between 2000-2006 I said that because of GOPanomics, things were falling apart all over the country for the middle class. Republicans like wiwwow argued. I said unemployment was rising and wages were going lower and it was because the GOP was outsourcing all our jobs to other countries.

Republicans said Michigan was in a one state recession. They stuck to that lie all the way until late 2007.

NOW, wiwwow admits that things were unraveling all across the country since 2001. Right about when Bushanomics started working. Nice!!!!

And so why are your red neck states struggling too wiwwow? It isn't like the economy is booming where you live. Why not since you got all the jobs? Why did Ford beat Honda the last quarter?

Fucking monkey!!!

Look at what states are number one on foreclosures and bank closings. A lot of red states.

And look at how many fucking Federal tax dollars go to red fucking states!!! Obama/Pelosi needs to cut your broke asses off NOW!!

Why do we keep funding imbreds when they don't even fucking appreicate it???

And then they bitch about the taxes WE pay???

democwats were in charge of their respective state economies,, they and the unions priced themselves right out of the competition,, with taxes, wages and entitlements.. you cannot change history. you ran the business of Michigan right down into mexico,, and now off to china..

Your states are next. They saved a little by going to your state but that won't be enough for the greedy corporations.

And just look at how broke you guys were for hundreds of years before corporations figured out they could use you.

Oh, and don't think we don't get it wiwwow. My mom worked in a factory 30 years ago. That factory is still there. The owner told them, "if you even bring up the word unions, i will pick up and move down south so fast.

But there were reasons why they stayed here wiwwow. They stayed where the auto giants were. The big 3 were their customers.

Ok, so fine, they are moving down south and overseas. We get it. We cost too much.

Just remember, so do you. You're next.

And I don't mind the manufacturing jobs going down south. Those red necks are perfect for that mindless work.

Just don't cry when they leave your states next.

But I doubt any of you will complain because you are responsible for you, plus you guys are used to living in misery and poverty. You can always feed yourself with the chickens in your backyard or the fish in your streams.

HOw's the General Lee running? I bet gas prices killed you last year.

Insults and high taxes will get you everything you ever wanted in life bobo living in poverty? i'm roflmsao

 

[WillowTree]

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

Manufacturing & the proposition system. Neither that has jack shit to do with unions. States all over the US are losing manufacturing jobs.

weelllllllllllllllllllllll excuse me.. you seem to be the one who mentioned "right to work" states... donkeyface!

 

[sealybobo]

Right, because southern "right to work" states are all doing great right now, right?

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

Manufacturing & the proposition system. Neither that has jack shit to do with unions. States all over the US are losing manufacturing jobs.

They don't get it.

Or they do and they are just full of shit.

First they'll attack unions because thats easy to do. But then we will see that it isn't just unions they hate. We all make too much. Divide and concur.

But apparently they don't think it will ever affect them so they feel ok being arrogant about this.

And, their states are benefitting, so they might actually be benefitting from it. But they'll see.

You know how they say, "its better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all"?

That's not true in business. It is better to never have had those good manufacturing jobs than to have had them and lost them.

Because your state/city gets used to having all those taxes coming in and then when the jobs leave, it really hurts the area.

So these red necks talk about how we taxed too much. They have no fucking idea what they are talking about.

Actually, they are correct, but when you have all the business in your state, you need the taxes. And companies want to be where other companies are. The suppliers want to be near the Big 3.

So are red neck states going to give Toyota suppliers tax breaks? Why? Those companies want to be close to Toyota. Why would the states give away money when they don't have to?

And so who's taxes will they raise? That's right, WILLOWS!!!

Its too complicated to explain it to these morons, especially when they aren't really listening.

 

[AllieBaba]

Divide and concurr???
omg.

 

[sealybobo]

better than Michigan and better than California.. yep

Manufacturing & the proposition system. Neither that has jack shit to do with unions. States all over the US are losing manufacturing jobs.

weelllllllllllllllllllllll excuse me.. you seem to be the one who mentioned "right to work" states... donkeyface!

Michigan is a right to work state too.

Call it what it is. Right to fire.

Or, no right to your job.

I can't wait until your state has all the jobs and all those companies get all the tax breaks so they have to raise your taxes.

Don't complain either. You wanted those jobs. You NEEDED those jobs.

And you argued for them to get all the tax breaks. So clearly you must pick up the tap stupid. I mean, whoever works for you while you sit at home all day doing nothing.

PS. I made my goal today Willow. That's why I wasn't on for a couple hours. MO money, mo money!!! Chicching!!!