Who is in Favor of Waste, Fraud, and Abuse?

[hadit]

If Republicans are so concerned about fighting fraud, why did they close the Consumer Protection Bureau?

Because it wasn't doing its job?

 

[Foxfyre]

I am wondering why the Dems are fighting so hard to keep massive waste, fraud, and abuse in our Federal Government. It seems mind boggling to me. The polling indicates the American public is solidly behind Trump in this area, so it is clearly a political loser for the Dems. So why? What sane person would want to keep the fraud going. For example, I worked for years in healthcare and the conservative estimate for decades is Medicare and Medicaid has at minimum 25% fraud. That is hundreds of billions of dollars a year. And again, this is about waste, fraud, and abuse, not Trump or Musk, so let's stay on topic.

Any theories would be helpful.


rightwinger and Mac1958 I would love your take on this.

At a very tender age, my first hospital job was in administration at a small country hospital in the north Texas Pandhandle. My desk butted up again the desk of the woman trained and assigned to manage Medicare claims when that act went into effect. I was officially the hospital credit manager but was also trained as backup to her as necessary or when she was on vacation and such.

From Day 1 when Medicare went into effect--this was a small, ultra conservative area where you would expect exemplary ethics and morals to be demonstrated--we observed the fraud that was almost instantaneous. Doctors would wander down the halls of the hospital, glance into a patients room to see that he/she was asleep, and write down a 'examination' that was then billed to the government. Nurses quietly confided that tests and procedures were being ordered that never would have been the case before Medicare.

And some of the rules and regulations make no sense. Medicare refused an inexpensive osteoporosis medication for my aunt because she still had her gallbladder. We asked the doctor what the med had to do with the gallbladder and he said nothing. It was just a Medicare rule. She was forced to get a much more expensive osteoporosis medicine that involved a several hundred dollar copay every time she got a shot.

What affect the pharmaceutical industry and other supplier lobbies have on the process is anybody's guess.

But because DOGE is looking at cleaning up the process/program, Trump and Musk et al are being accused of attacking/damaging Medicare and Medicaid.

It is incomprehensible how TDS can be so strong that it throws a persons entire concept of right and wrong, fair play, good/evil right out the window.

 

[Winco]

Waste, fraud and abuse must be attacked in terms of the highest amounts first. That is what DOGE is doing. In the purest sense, yes Kash Patel's flight was entertainment I assume and therefore waste. That is also something that every single CongressPerson has done at one time or another.

Yup, and we apparently have NO POWER to stop this abuse.
The congress critters can do whatever they want.

We the People, need to reign in that POWER.
Term Limits.

 

[WelfareQueen]

At a very tender age, my first hospital job was in administration at a small country hospital in the north Texas Pandhandle. My desk butted up again the desk of the woman trained and assigned to manage Medicare claims when that act went into effect. I was officially the hospital credit manager but was also trained as backup to her as necessary or when she was on vacation and such.

From Day 1 when Medicare went into effect--this was a small, ultra conservative area where you would expect exemplary ethics and morals to be demonstrated--we observed the fraud that was almost instantaneous. Doctors would wander down the halls of the hospital, glance into a patients room to see that he/she was asleep, and write down a 'examination' that was then billed to the government. Nurses quietly confided that tests and procedures were being ordered that never would have been the case before Medicare.

And some of the rules and regulations make no sense. Medicare refused an inexpensive osteoporosis medication for my aunt because she still had her gallbladder. We asked the doctor what the med had to do with the gallbladder and he said nothing. It was just a Medicare rule. She was forced to get a much more expensive osteoporosis medicine that involved a several hundred dollar copay every time she got a shot.

What affect the pharmaceutical industry and other supplier lobbies have on the process is anybody's guess.

But because DOGE is looking at cleaning up the process/program, Trump and Musk et al are being accused of attacking/damaging Medicare and Medicaid.

It is incomprehensible how TDS can be so strong that it throws a persons entire concept of right and wrong, fair play, good/evil right out the window.

Absolutely. I worked in healthcare as a provider for over 30 years, mostly in hospitals. The Medicare and Medicaid fraud and abuse was rampant. Doctors admitting patients with no admission criteria and falsifying records to get the admission approved was a big one. The doctor poking his head in the room at 5am asking if the patient needed anything while they are asleep, and billing it as a doctor/patient visit. One doc was notorious for this.

I could give many other examples, as I am you could as well. I guess the Dems like it? Hard to figure.

 

[Lesh]

I'm curious if you consider this Patel Travel, waste, fraud and abuse?

Kash Patel used FBI jet paid for by taxpayers to attend UFC and two NHL games

FBI Director Kash Patel reportedly used the bureau's fleet of aircraft for various uses included to watch Alex Ovechkin break Wayne Gretzky's all-time scoring record in New York

www.irishstar.com

These Trump ass suckers think they’re entitled to be treated like royalty

 

[Mac1958]

I can't think of anyone who isn't against waste, fraud and abuse.

We had the opportunity to establish a standardized auditing system run by people who knew and understood the specific financial workings of a given department, conduct the audits, analyze the data, make a plan to cut waste, fraud and abuse, implement, and monitor. The Dems sure didn't do it.

Plan it, analyze it, run with it. Like any normal, smart business would do. Pretty much everywhere.

Instead, we went full caveman, as Trump likes to do (well, that's all he CAN do). And we had a guy running around a fucking stage waving a fucking chainsaw after firing people, because America is now essentially pro wrestling.

What a terribly wasted opportunity. I'd guess there's a shitload of waste, fraud and abuse that we could discover and address, if we only did it right, carefully, professionally, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Lesh]

Tariffs are a valuable and often-used device that mitigates risk for domestic industries, evens out trade imbalances, and fosters positive working relationships between countries.

Unfortunately, when in the hands of an ignorant buffoon who uses them instead to intimidate, threaten and punish, they can actually end up turning the global financial system on its fucking head, and destroy critical relationships that we have been building for over 40 years in one fell swoop -- motivating our former friends and trading partners to work on establishing new relationships that don't include America. As we have seen.

So yeah, tariffs can be very helpful and effective. If administered by an intelligent, stable adult.

Sadly… that’s not even close to the situation here

 

[marvin martian]

Sadly… that’s not even close to the situation here

^^^Here's a guy who's deeply invested in government money-laundering.

 

[hadit]

I can't think of anyone who isn't against waste, fraud and abuse.

We had the opportunity to establish a standardized auditing system run by people who knew and understood the specific financial workings of a given department, conduct the audits, analyze the data, make a plan to cut waste, fraud and abuse, implement, and monitor. The Dems sure didn't do it.

Plan it, analyze it, run with it. Like any normal, smart business would do. Pretty much everywhere.

Instead, we went full caveman, as Trump likes to do (well, that's all he CAN do). And we had a guy running around a fucking stage waving a fucking chainsaw after firing people, because America is now essentially pro wrestling.

What a terribly wasted opportunity. I'd guess there's a shitload of waste, fraud and abuse that we could discover and address, if we only did it right, carefully, professionally, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Like you said, we had decades to do it the quiet way and nothing got done. In fact, it got worse. Now we have to do it the loud way.

 

[WelfareQueen]

I can't think of anyone who isn't against waste, fraud and abuse.

We had the opportunity to establish a standardized auditing system run by people who knew and understood the specific financial workings of a given department, conduct the audits, analyze the data, make a plan to cut waste, fraud and abuse, implement, and monitor. The Dems sure didn't do it.

Plan it, analyze it, run with it. Like any normal, smart business would do. Pretty much everywhere.

Instead, we went full caveman, as Trump likes to do (well, that's all he CAN do). And we had a guy running around a fucking stage waving a fucking chainsaw after firing people, because America is now essentially pro wrestling.

What a terribly wasted opportunity. I'd guess there's a shitload of waste, fraud and abuse that we could discover and address, if we only did it right, carefully, professionally, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I understand the objection is always process. But the slow steady way in Government has never worked and I doubt it ever will. The Bureaucrats will fight you every step of the way no matter what the process because it is their livelihood. The Dims will fight you every step of the way because it is Trump and they resist everything he does no matter what, and also, they have used many of these Government Programs for years as a piggy bank/money laundering operation.

So, Mac, with all due respect, your process argument is meaningless in my opinion. Any attempt to reform Government and eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse will meet 100% resistance regardless of process. So, you might as well go after it as aggressively as you can while you have the will and the resources to do so.

 

[luiza]

Predictably the un American lefty Troll Bots have hidden from this thread .
Like Mucky Bum , Bugger86 and Spews .
Just one or two yappers here like Leech .

It's disgusting that unbalanced individuals like these love and promote waste and inefficiency .

They represent everything that America least needs , after being wrecked by the actions and presence of those two travesties Biden and Harris .

 

[Luckyone]

I am wondering why the Dems are fighting so hard to keep massive waste, fraud, and abuse in our Federal Government. It seems mind boggling to me. The polling indicates the American public is solidly behind Trump in this area, so it is clearly a political loser for the Dems. So why? What sane person would want to keep the fraud going. For example, I worked for years in healthcare and the conservative estimate for decades is Medicare and Medicaid has at minimum 25% fraud. That is hundreds of billions of dollars a year. And again, this is about waste, fraud, and abuse, not Trump or Musk, so let's stay on topic.

Any theories would be helpful.


rightwinger and Mac1958 I would love your take on this.

I am wondering why the Dems are fighting so hard to keep massive waste, fraud, and abuse in our Federal Government. It seems mind boggling to me. The polling indicates the American public is solidly behind Trump in this area, so it is clearly a political loser for the Dems. So why? What sane person would want to keep the fraud going. For example, I worked for years in healthcare and the conservative estimate for decades is Medicare and Medicaid has at minimum 25% fraud. That is hundreds of billions of dollars a year. And again, this is about waste, fraud, and abuse, not Trump or Musk, so let's stay on topic.

Any theories would be helpful.


rightwinger and Mac1958 I would love your take on this.