Who Gets the $350 Million the Judge Dreamed Up?

[Winco]

Your side is too Stupid to know the difference bewtween a man and a women.

Naw, just a few stupid people. Did you mean 'Woman'.

Just like not knowing the difference between Nancy and Nikki, then later claiming you were just being sarcastic. LOLLOLLLOLLLL

 

[eagle1462010]

Naw, just a few stupid people. Did you mean 'Woman'.

Just like not knowing the difference between Nancy and Nikki, then later claiming you were just being sarcastic. LOLLOLLLOLLLL

You understood the meaning. But you are the party of perverts.

 

[Care4all]

Not on some trumped up charge where there’s no victim, they don’t. This was hardly criminal.

NY needs to focus on the illegal scum terrifying their citizens.

It was not criminal law.

It was civil law, he was found libel.

I personally think the amount of the penalty will be appealed to lower it, and will likely be granted....but that is just my layman's view.

 

[Care4all]

Your side is too Stupid to know the difference bewtween a man and a women.

A trans woman can never deliver a baby! (A biological male)

However, a trans man, can have a baby....(A biological female)

 

[eagle1462010]

A trans woman can never deliver a baby! (A biological male)

However, a trans man, can have a baby....(A biological female)

Wow. You actually understand. Amazing.

Now put your Lunatics on a leash who dont know that.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I know that. My question was to get a discussion going on the wrong of Dems assigning massive penalties to their political opponents when there is no damage, or victims.

[This was never a Democrats against non Democrats issue. This investigation started long before Trump for President campaign, while he was still a Democrat, and only now comes to its conclusion.

It was not done before because one could not sue a sitting President while in office. After 2021 the case returned to be taken care of as it should.]
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For her part, New York Attorney General Letitia James has asked that Trump be banned from doing business in New York and pay $370 million, what she estimates is saved interest and other “ill-gotten gains.” But she never asked for a property sale and may not even want one. Said one of her lawyers, Kevin Wallace, in his closing argument, “I don’t think we are looking for anything that would cause the liquidation of business.”

Dissolving Trump's business empire would stand apart in history of NY fraud law

AP’s review of nearly 150 cases since New York’s “repeated fraud” statute was passed showed that nearly every previous time a company was taken away, victims and losses were key factors.

apnews.com

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[Trump's cheating on his loans is the same as slowly embezzling or stealing from the bank, or one's own company. Trump gained a lot of money through those fraudulent loans.

Fraud is fraud, be it one's small company, big company, the government, banks, or any other loan company.]

 

[Sixties Fan]

In fact, courts traditionally take a dim view of people who try to ruin a person’s livelihood, and the Dem prosecutors ALSO went overboard with kicking Trump OUT OF HIS OWN COMPANY for the next three years.

I think Trump has a countersuit, but hopefully he’ll be too busy running the country.

NY does not care how much you do not care about the laws of the State.

NY laws apply the same to all.

No one is above the law.

What Trump did, regardless of later becoming President, is no different from what any one else did, and they got exactly the same conclusion with the law and the court as he did.

No one is above the law.

 

[Care4all]

Wow. You actually understand. Amazing.

Now put your Lunatics on a leash who dont know that.

since this stuff is all new to me, I too was confused by it all...

Initially I thought a trans female was a female wanting to be a male, and a trans male was a male wanting to be a female! the exact opposite of what the terms actually meant! I know, I know, I know!!! That was really stupid and ignorant of me!

 

[Blues Man]

Speeding and Drunk Driving don’t hurt anyone unless you crash. We have large fines to deter you and others from doing it again.

New York is sending a message.
We do not tolerate Fraud

No victim no crime.

He didn't defraud the state of NY and no bank or private business filed charges of fraud. He didn't endanger anyone with his over estimation of his property values.

I'm no fan of Trump but I can't agree with this farce

 

[Care4all]

[This was never a Democrats against non Democrats issue. This investigation started long before Trump for President campaign, while he was still a Democrat, and only now comes to its conclusion.

It was not done before because one could not sue a sitting President while in office. After 2021 the case returned to be taken care of as it should.]
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For her part, New York Attorney General Letitia James has asked that Trump be banned from doing business in New York and pay $370 million, what she estimates is saved interest and other “ill-gotten gains.” But she never asked for a property sale and may not even want one. Said one of her lawyers, Kevin Wallace, in his closing argument, “I don’t think we are looking for anything that would cause the liquidation of business.”

Dissolving Trump's business empire would stand apart in history of NY fraud law

AP’s review of nearly 150 cases since New York’s “repeated fraud” statute was passed showed that nearly every previous time a company was taken away, victims and losses were key factors.

apnews.com

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[Trump's cheating on his loans is the same as slowly embezzling or stealing from the bank, or one's own company. Trump gained a lot of money through those fraudulent loans.

Fraud is fraud, be it one's small company, big company, the government, banks, or any other loan company.]

Trying to discourage other businesses or all big businesses from doing this, just like Trump did for decades, was key to the higher penalty, and preventing Trump and Crime Family from repeating the cheating practice.

Why should trump be allowed to fraudulently claim super duper inflated assets when other small businesses needing loans, are not?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Trying to discourage other businesses or all big businesses from doing this, just like Trump did for decades, was key to the higher penalty, and preventing Trump and Crime Family from repeating the cheating practice.

Why should trump be allowed to fraudulently claim super duper inflated assets when other small businesses needing loans, are not?

He tried, succeeded, then got caught. Now comes the penalty phase.

 

[Care4all]

No victim no crime.

He didn't defraud the state of NY and no bank or private business filed charges of fraud. He didn't endanger anyone with his over estimation of his property values.

I'm no fan of Trump but I can't agree with this farce

he just got them to loan him money, partly by lying and fraudulently...greatly exaggerating his assets, while all other businesses vying for a good loan, did not lie and colossally exaggerate their assets... because they followed the law....

 

[Lisa558]

NY does not care how much you do not care about the laws of the State.

NY laws apply the same to all.

No one is above the law.

What Trump did, regardless of later becoming President, is no different from what any one else did, and they got exactly the same conclusion with the law and the court as he did.

No one is above the law.

Unless you’re an illegal, or a Democrat.

Biden is the leader of a corrupt Crime Family. HE should be the one in focus. Gd only knows what Ukraine has on him.

 

[Lisa558]

NY does not care how much you do not care about the laws of the State.

NY laws apply the same to all.

No one is above the law.

What Trump did, regardless of later becoming President, is no different from what any one else did, and they got exactly the same conclusion with the law and the court as he did.

No one is above the law.

When was anyone ever fined $350 million for exagerrstimg assets in connection with a loan he paid off as required? And robbed of his livelihood? The case would never even have come up, because nobody would complain.

In this case, it was the Dems in search of a “crime”. The best they could find was this - something thousands of people do, and banks know it. That’s why they require an independent appraisal.

”Tell me the man, and I’ll find you the crime.” - from one of your Marxist gods

 

[Sixties Fan]

Unless you’re an illegal, or a Democrat.

Biden is the leader of a corrupt Crime Family. HE should be the one in focus. Gd only knows what Ukraine has on him.

We can all see how important Trump is to you. Like a mother protecting its child.

The issue here is that the child, Trump, did commit a crime in fraudulently giving different information when getting a loan and when selling and that is against the law in ANY State or city in the USA.

Trump's father was equally corrupt in his Real Estate dealings and Donald learned from him. And Donald got away with it for a long time until NY started investigating him, especially after Michael Cohen confessed to the money fraud in Congress.


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Long before Donald J. Trump’s company was accused of plotting detours around the tax code to compensate its chief financial officer with carpeting, televisions and car leases, there were the $16,135 boilers.

The boilers were bought for that amount by Mr. Trump’s father, Fred, in the 1990s for his numerous apartment buildings. But in a bit of financial alchemy that embodied the family ethos of paying as little tax as possible, the elder Mr. Trump used inflated invoices to pay the bill and the extra money was skimmed off for his children — all to avoid gift and inheritance taxes.

Echoes of the earlier scheme could be found in the indictment on Thursday of the Trump Organization and Allen H. Weisselberg, its chief financial officer, who first went to work for Fred Trump in the 1970s. While the amount of tax-free benefits that Mr. Weisselbergreportedly received is significant — $1.76 million over 15 years — the way the company went about doling them out is strikingly small-bore and incremental.

(full article online)

In Case Against Trump’s Company, Echoes of His Father’s Tactics on Taxes (Published 2021)

The first criminal prosecution involving the former president’s business hearkens back to Fred Trump’s $16,135 purchase of boilers in the 1990s.

www.nytimes.com

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“In His Way, He Was Telling Me To Lie”: Michael Cohen Testified On Trump Moscow Cover-Up

In a public appearance before the House Oversight Committee, Cohen apologized for lying to Congress, and noted that, at that time, he was trying to protect the president.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Donald Trump’s history of corruption: a comprehensive review

His history of abusing power and betraying trust is deeply worrying for how he’d govern.

www.vox.com

As much as anyone would like to believe that Donald Trump has been treated differently from anyone else, and mainly because of political reasons, that has never been true, is not true in this case or any other case, be it about E. Jean Carrol, 1/6 or any other case coming in the future.



He bet on the horse knowing it was rigged, made a lot of money off of it, eventually the Race committee became wise to it, and now comes the consequences for it.


That is all it has ever been about.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

he message is

We do not tolerate Fraud

TRANSLATION: "WE DON'T NEED NO STINKEN TAX CUTS"

 

[rightwinger]

No victim no crime.

He didn't defraud the state of NY and no bank or private business filed charges of fraud. He didn't endanger anyone with his over estimation of his property values.

I'm no fan of Trump but I can't agree with this farce

So you just double down on stupid and refuse to admit that many crimes have no victim

Who is the victim in a drug or prostitution arrest?

 

[Lisa558]

We can all see how important Trump is to you. Like a mother protecting its child.

The issue here is that the child, Trump, did commit a crime in fraudulently giving different information when getting a loan and when selling and that is against the law in ANY State or city in the USA.

Trump's father was equally corrupt in his Real Estate dealings and Donald learned from him. And Donald got away with it for a long time until NY started investigating him, especially after Michael Cohen confessed to the money fraud in Congress.


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Long before Donald J. Trump’s company was accused of plotting detours around the tax code to compensate its chief financial officer with carpeting, televisions and car leases, there were the $16,135 boilers.

The boilers were bought for that amount by Mr. Trump’s father, Fred, in the 1990s for his numerous apartment buildings. But in a bit of financial alchemy that embodied the family ethos of paying as little tax as possible, the elder Mr. Trump used inflated invoices to pay the bill and the extra money was skimmed off for his children — all to avoid gift and inheritance taxes.

Echoes of the earlier scheme could be found in the indictment on Thursday of the Trump Organization and Allen H. Weisselberg, its chief financial officer, who first went to work for Fred Trump in the 1970s. While the amount of tax-free benefits that Mr. Weisselbergreportedly received is significant — $1.76 million over 15 years — the way the company went about doling them out is strikingly small-bore and incremental.

(full article online)

In Case Against Trump’s Company, Echoes of His Father’s Tactics on Taxes (Published 2021)

The first criminal prosecution involving the former president’s business hearkens back to Fred Trump’s $16,135 purchase of boilers in the 1990s.

www.nytimes.com

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“In His Way, He Was Telling Me To Lie”: Michael Cohen Testified On Trump Moscow Cover-Up

In a public appearance before the House Oversight Committee, Cohen apologized for lying to Congress, and noted that, at that time, he was trying to protect the president.

www.buzzfeednews.com

Donald Trump’s history of corruption: a comprehensive review

His history of abusing power and betraying trust is deeply worrying for how he’d govern.

www.vox.com

As much as anyone would like to believe that Donald Trump has been treated differently from anyone else, and mainly because of political reasons, that has never been true, is not true in this case or any other case, be it about E. Jean Carrol, 1/6 or any other case coming in the future.



He bet on the horse knowing it was rigged, made a lot of money off of it, eventually the Race committee became wise to it, and now comes the consequences for it.


That is all it has ever been about.

And I can see that you divert from the current president, who is demented, dishonest, and corrupt.

And if you don’t think Trump has been singled out for malicious prosecution by all these anti-Israel Soros DAs, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

 

[Sixties Fan]

When was anyone ever fined $350 million for exagerrstimg assets in connection with a loan he paid off as required? And robbed of his livelihood? The case would never even have come up, because nobody would complain.

In this case, it was the Dems in search of a “crime”. The best they could find was this - something thousands of people do, and banks know it. That’s why they require an independent appraisal.

”Tell me the man, and I’ll find you the crime.” - from one of your Marxist gods

You are repeating everything Trump and his lawyers have said, trying to get away with the fact that he did commit fraud.

I know you do not have the patience to read through the judgement, who does, but this is what the judge found:

Read: Judge’s $354 million civil fraud decision against Trump

A New York judge on Friday afternoon ordered former President Trump to pay more than $350 million in penalties as part of the civil fraud case focused on the Trump family’s business empire. T…

thehill.com

If I can find a breakdown of it I will post it.

The $350 Million plus is not only for the fraud but Trump's endless misbehavior during his court appearances.

Do remember that Trump gave out the court clerk's name and address and put her at risk. I do not know if any of that money was also a result of that.


Actions have consequences. Fraud has consequences. Leaking court people's names and bad behavior has consequences as well.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And I can see that you divert from the current president, who is demented, dishonest, and corrupt.

And if you don’t think Trump has been singled out for malicious prosecution by all these anti-Israel Soros DAs, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

You have no proof, nor will ever have any proof, that Joe Biden is "demented", "dishonest" or "corrupt".

All three are things Trump, MAGA and MAGA Congress have been pushing for three years. You choose to believe any of it, that is on you as NO evidence AT ALL has come out on any of the three.

You have no bridge, you have no swamp to sell. No desert, not nothing. What you have is what Trump and MAGA have to sell and you have bought it all Lock, Stock, and Barrel.