Who Created the Modern Democratic Party and Where Will they Go?

[Blisterfinger]

lol

Today is a great day for Democrat embarrassment. You guys really suck

 

[IDIOCRACY]

JFK would have been appalled by TRUMP as well as his idiot nephew RFK jr

All while Trump runs rings around JFK in the position.

 

[rightwinger]

All while Trump runs rings around JFK in the position.

Up to this year, Trump was considered one of the worst Presidents in history

This term will make him unquestionably the worst

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I think it goes one president back.

When Dubya said your are either with us or against us, Democrats dug in and said "o.k., we are against you, then.

In doing so, they became hostile to this entire country and abandoned any posturing by way of being FOR something.

 

[rightwinger]

I think it goes one president back.

When Dubya said your are either with us or against us, Democrats dug in and said "o.k., we are against you, then.

In doing so, they became hostile to this entire country and abandoned any posturing by way of being FOR something.

Democrats gave W Bush overwhelming support after 9-11
They also gave him a pass on accountability
He ruined it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq

 

[22lcidw]

Up to this year, Trump was considered one of the worst Presidents in history

This term will make him unquestionably the worst

And there is the proof of the Marxists with your statement.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Up to this year, Trump was considered one of the worst Presidents in history

This term will make him unquestionably the worst

Right, purely by "scholars" at the instruction of the left. It's all BS............Ah, COVID, and an insurrection nobody was charged for. A HOAX all the way around.

 

[Stryder50]

Working class Dems have been pinching their nose and voting Dem since Obama. But I predicted as soon as they had a viable alternative they would bail out of the Dem party in droves, that's what we are seeing now.

Dems can't paint Trump as the mean old Republican of old because he's not that. Dems are completely confused by Trump. They have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at him and he just keeps kicking their ass and peeling away their working class base.

Go back to the "peaceful" demonstrations at the Democrat National Party convention in Chicago in 1968 and you will see the seeds planted then, and sprouted very soon after.

 

[Stryder50]

JFK would have been appalled by TRUMP as well as his idiot nephew RFK jr

JFK would have been more appalled by the Marxist Democrat Party of today and would be a RINO Republican, if he remained involved in politics at all.

 

[Mac1958]

Democrats gave W Bush overwhelming support after 9-11
They also gave him a pass on accountability
He ruined it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq

During the last few cycles, I kept seeing how this party or that party was "dead". It's over! Stick a fork in 'em!

People keep forgetting that the parties regularly screw up when they try to force their agenda down Americans' throats.

We don't learn. Collaboration & innovation work, this shit doesn't.

 

[Stryder50]

I've lived a long life and have been a sociopolitical animal for pretty much all of it WQ. And I have been trained in investigative journalism as well as political science and sociology before sociology went far left wacko woke, and God seems to have given me ability and curiosity to notice, analyze, evaluate the body politic.

The seeds of Marxism in America existed of course in the very small contingency of communist minded Americans that were identified early in the 20th Century around the same time Lenin gained power in Russia. They were just a curious anomaly though until WWII when he U.S. first feared communist infiltration into American government and industry. (That of course triggered the controversial 'McCarthyism' that existed from the mid 40's into the late 50's and was often misused in bad ways.) The result was to anger and promote anti-Americanism among the still very small but determined group of Marxists among us.

Their influence became evident in the flower children of the 1960's. This would be the first generation ever to totally reject the values and traditions of the previous generation and rebel against it. They claimed to be anti-war but mostly they were anti-American and everything it stood for while claiming to promote peace and love.

They would grow up and mature and modify in the 1970's but the seeds of Marxism remained within that group no doubt promoted by the deep state of that era that intended to remake America in the Marxist image.

But from the l970's on the remnants of the flower children made their way into media, education, entertainment, government, big business, scientific institution, religion--all fields that have the largest influence on social values, thought, beliefs. They would mentor like minded people to join them and eventually replace them until the conservatives embracing the values and traditions and beliefs of the past were increasingly estranged and uncomfortable in their jobs and most eventually left those fields.

That situation has increased and exacerbated itself through the decades since. The last mostly conservative America first minded congress we have had was during the Clinton Administration when Newt Gingrich and his reform minded Republicans plus Tim Penny and some 30 odd conservative Democrats joined forces to force tax and welfare reform. Clinton kept vetoing the legislation until it became obvious this is what the public wanted and he finally signed it into law. It not only saved his floundering presidency, it gave us a revived economy and the closest thing to a balanced budget that we had ever seen in the 20th Century.

But alas, Gingrich and the other reformers, both Republican and Democrat, term limited themselves out and were replaced by progressive Democrats and globalist minded Republicans that allowed the Marxists to continue to gain a slow but increasing presence in government and all areas of society in which they could control the message.

Obama was the first essentially Marxist minded person to be elected President and greatly strengthened the anti-American, anti-American values Marxist presence among us.

Trump 45 did his best to turn around that trend but was opposed strongly by woke Democrats and old guard globalist Republicans. He accomplished an amazing amount in the three years he had but was completely sidelined by COVID in 2020 and then was not re-elected.

Biden put on steroids the Marxist agenda along with the woke doctrines intended to destroy the America the founders intended. They didn't call it that of course, but the agenda was to tear down everything that makes America America--the history, our monuments, our traditional values and traditions, our sense of right and wrong, etc. When that is accomplished, the Marxists can move in to take control in order to 'save' us and we will be under totalitarian rule.

The Democrat Party has come out of the shadows as the full blown woke Marxist minded group that has been developing for a long time now.

Who is behind it all? In my opinion it has been a wide cumulation of things Certainly Saul Alinksy, George Soros, union leaders of the past, and others have been a strong influence. I wish I had time left and the resources to research it to try to find out exactly who has engineered this disastrous movement that has brought the Democrat Party to the terrible state it is in. I think it would make a fascinating read.

But then I'm weird.

I don't want to pick too many nits, but Clinton's 'revived economy and balanced budget' was built upon major cuts in the military/Defense budgets, to finance his redistribution efforts. Which bit this nation in the behind a few years later when the "neglected" issue of Saddam Husein produced the first Gulf War and our military was scrounging for ammo and spare parts to make a reasonable opposition to SH over in that part of the world.

 

[Stryder50]

Democrats gave W Bush overwhelming support after 9-11
They also gave him a pass on accountability
He ruined it by invading Afghanistan and Iraq

"invading Afghanistan and Iraq" were right in broad strategic concept, but mangled in planning, operations and no clear, workable end game resolution planning. Mostly by the wrong minds in the military, State, and Intel communities of USA guv'mint.

Using chess game analogy; we played a great opening game, muddled around in the middle game, and with no clear workable plan for what we wanted as victory conditions, botched the end game.

Afghanistan could only have a workable solution if we could of got the Pakistan ISI on board, but that would be difficult since the Taliban was their creation. Without solving that problem, nation building there wasn't going to work. We should have just gone, find and eliminate OBL, and got out.

Iraq was a case where we shouldn't have handed it all back to the Iraqis after getting rid of Saddam. We should have done what we did with Germany and Japan at the end of the Second World War and oversee a more representative republic structure with USA steering for several years until they got the hang of it. We would have had to face fact that Iran was meddling inside Iraq once SH was gone and we did little to block and counter that. Hence we got involved in a proxy war with Iran, inside of Iraq, but weren't ready to take the conflict to Iran's doorstep, eliminate the Mullahs.

 

[rightwinger]

"invading Afghanistan and Iraq" were right in broad strategic concept, but mangled in planning, operations and no clear, workable end game resolution planning. Mostly by the wrong minds in the military, State, and Intel communities of USA guv'mint.

Using chess game analogy; we played a great opening game, muddled around in the middle game, and with no clear workable plan for what we wanted as victory conditions, botched the end game.

Afghanistan could only have a workable solution if we could of got the Pakistan ISI on board, but that would be difficult since the Taliban was their creation. Without solving that problem, nation building there wasn't going to work. We should have just gone, find and eliminate OBL, and got out.

Iraq was a case where we shouldn't have handed it all back to the Iraqis after getting rid of Saddam. We should have done what we did with Germany and Japan at the end of the Second World War and oversee a more representative republic structure with USA steering for several years until they got the hang of it. We would have had to face fact that Iran was meddling inside Iraq once SH was gone and we did little to block and counter that. Hence we got involved in a proxy war with Iran, inside of Iraq, but weren't ready to take the conflict to Iran's doorstep, eliminate the Mullahs.

The Bush Doctrine was an attempt at Democracy Domino Theory.
Install Democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq and neighboring nations will quickly follow.
That region is not ready for Democracy

 

[rightwinger]

During the last few cycles, I kept seeing how this party or that party was "dead". It's over! Stick a fork in 'em!

People keep forgetting that the parties regularly screw up when they try to force their agenda down Americans' throats.

We don't learn. Collaboration & innovation work, this shit doesn't.

The American voter is extremely fickle.
Whoever is in charge takes the blame for whatever goes wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't want to pick too many nits, but Clinton's 'revived economy and balanced budget' was built upon major cuts in the military/Defense budgets, to finance his redistribution efforts. Which bit this nation in the behind a few years later when the "neglected" issue of Saddam Husein produced the first Gulf War and our military was scrounging for ammo and spare parts to make a reasonable opposition to SH over in that part of the world.

We can debate the issue of defense draw downs for sure. Overall Clinton cut almost 400k federal jobs mostly due to pressure from the Republican and Democrat reformers. Only 108,000 of those were military. A number of war ships were mothballed, but he kept most weapon system intact.
Clinton Defense Budget Cuts Into Troops, Ships

Spending reductions helped but it was the increased revenues from a regenerated economy produced by smart tax cuts that would balance the budget.

Alas when Clinton left office, most of those reformers had term limited themselves out and the most leftist more 'woke' people who replaced them again went back to irresponsible spending.

US Federal Budgetary Spending by Year – Polidiotic

 

[rightwinger]

I don't want to pick too many nits, but Clinton's 'revived economy and balanced budget' was built upon major cuts in the military/Defense budgets, to finance his redistribution efforts. Which bit this nation in the behind a few years later when the "neglected" issue of Saddam Husein produced the first Gulf War and our military was scrounging for ammo and spare parts to make a reasonable opposition to SH over in that part of the world.

Clinton took office in 1992 after the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no rationale for maintaining a Cold War military force.

 

[j-mac]

Up to this year, Trump was considered one of the worst Presidents in history

This term will make him unquestionably the worst

Only to leftist punks like you....Rational people know he is fighting for the Nation's survival.

 

[j-mac]

The American voter is extremely fickle.
Whoever is in charge takes the blame for whatever goes wrong.

Unless it's a Democrat, then they just blame the previous Republican....

 

[rightwinger]

Only to leftist punks like you....Rational people know he is fighting for the Nation's survival.

Rational people realize he is tearing down our government, economy and international relations with no plan on how to make things better

 

[j-mac]

Rational people realize he is tearing down our government, economy and international relations with no plan on how to make things better

You're right about 1 thing....Trump is tearing into the corruption of the liberal bureaucracy. And that will make things better.