Who Are The Palestinians?

[Coyote]

Israel never said it wanted to be muslim free. Israel does not want an influx of angry palestinians to be forced on them that would threaten the jewish homeland.

No..they did not say that but they sure are working hard to reduce the Muslim population aren't they? Why is it Israeli-Arab communities so seldom get building or expansion permits? How many new Israeli settlements have been built and how many Arab ones? Why is it citizenship is defined by ethnicity?

I actually agree that "right of return" is an impossible demand for Israel and I don't see it as an option. But still - historically - Israel actively particpated in driving non-Jewish Palestinians out of Israel and legislating to bar their return. How many did you say were allowed back...2000? Out of how many?

Palestinians want a jew free palestinian. It wants a jew free territory consisting of the whole mandate.

Actually what Abbas said (in discussing a Palestinian state) was: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo. That means no Israeli's. It means those who choose to stay become Palestinians. Somewhere it got morphed into "No Jews". At least I'm assuming this is the statement? It's the one that has been most brought up.

Israel is trying to be reasonable. It had a family reunification program for decades. At one point it was even willing to take back those arabs that had left, not the whole extended generations as well. It also offered for a time to take in 100,000 over a period of years to gradually integrate them, find housing and or jobs. Several options were put forward and later withdraw when there was no willingness to negotiate or compromise.
So yes I am being careful with the phrasing because Israel has shown they are not acting in a racist manner. Palestinians have proven to be highly racist not allowing jews to remain and become palestinian citizens, and this from Abbas.

Except that is not what Abbas said.

Hamas is not going to be persuaded if Abbas is not willing to try and consider the possibility.
Do you have a better way of determining which side is racist and which one is just being cautious under a dire threat?

Yes. Take an honest look at the treatment of people and see who's racist and who is not. There are a lot of inequities in Israel's system - the way Palestinians are treated in the judicial system and by the police and military for instance (particularly juviniles) and contrast that with how Israeli juviniles are treated. The permit system for expansion. Settlers throw stones at Palestinian children who have to pass in order to go to school. How is it handled? They go under military escort which might or might not show up. How are Palestinian stone throwers threated? Shot or arrested. So...there is racism there. It's not so pristine and clear cut as you would make it. Does that mean the Palestinians are not racist? I think many are as well and a culture based on a policy of complete seperation encourages that on both sides.

Why Does the State Department Endorse Palestinian Fight to Exclude Jews Commentary Magazine

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Israel Daily News Stream 0730 2013

Abbas Palestine will be Judenrein - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Abbas No Jews in Palestinian State

Abbas 8217 Palestine No Jews Allowed

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

He said "No ISRAELI's"....

Israeli's include Muslims, Jews, Christians, Druze.

 

[MJB12741]

What does it matter what Abbas has to say. The Palestinian people duly elected Hamas to represent them & help them. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.


Hamas Killed 160 Palestinian Children to Build Gaza Tunnels ndash Tablet Magazine

 

[Mindful]

Who are they?

Some questions:

1) When was it founded and by whom?

2) What were its borders?

3) What was its capital?

4) What were its major cities?

5) What constituted the basis of its economy?

6) What was its form of government?

7) Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?

8) Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?

9) What was the language of the country of Palestine ?

10) What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?

11) What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. -

 

[Phoenall]

The DNA testing done shows that 50% of the DNA of every living thing is identical, it also shows that all primates share a common 80%-85% DNA. That is what most pro Palestinians point when they make their claims of inter breeding between Jews and muslims. It is onlyy when you look at the 15% left that you see the genetic markers that single out individual races, areas, cities, towns and villages.
Now you are being very silly as you know that was in the depths of pre history.
You forget the forced migration from muslim lands put the European jews in the minority, the demographics of the arab muslims show that they could not have increased their population by such a large amount without there being immigration in very large numbers. They did not have the medical advances to better an infant survival rate of 10%

It's not "pro-Palis" or "pro-Israeli's" making these determinations. It's scientists who's profession is genetics. They aren't drawing their conclusions based upon the large amount of genetic matter that is common to most humans, they are looking at markers that are uniquely shared within certain groups - in otherwords, that 15%.

I'm not being silly - I'm asking you to support your claim.

The scientists and geneticists produce the results, then the various people use the results to further their own POV. In the case of team Palestine this is to discount the 15% of DNA that can place a person heritage and concentrate on the 85% that is common across all races, nationalities and genetic groups including primates. It is only when that 15% is brought into the equation that we see the gulf between arab muslims and Jews. Just as it also shows that the European Jews, African Jews and American Jews are very closely linked. But team palestine repeatedly use just the 85% of common DNA as their basis for showing that Jews and arabs are the same, they may as well say that Jews and Inuit are the same or that arabs and monkees are the same.

These articles are not from "team Palestine":

http://www.rense.com/general48/palestinians.pdf
Many surprised by genetic and cultural links between Palestinians and Jews God Reports

The first is very pro Palestinian if you look at the editorial, so making it team Palestine. The second is a blog, one persons own views, so again is very pro Palestinian, making it team Palestine.


Keep trying

Gosh I wonder if the Palestinian supporters would agree to this? All settlers & all Palestrinians on the land without any titles or deeds have to go. Would that not be fair?

Very fair, and then for Palestine to produce the signed treaties giving the land to them under the mandate ?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel never said it wanted to be muslim free. Israel does not want an influx of angry palestinians to be forced on them that would threaten the jewish homeland.

No..they did not say that but they sure are working hard to reduce the Muslim population aren't they? Why is it Israeli-Arab communities so seldom get building or expansion permits? How many new Israeli settlements have been built and how many Arab ones? Why is it citizenship is defined by ethnicity?

I actually agree that "right of return" is an impossible demand for Israel and I don't see it as an option. But still - historically - Israel actively particpated in driving non-Jewish Palestinians out of Israel and legislating to bar their return. How many did you say were allowed back...2000? Out of how many?

Palestinians want a jew free palestinian. It wants a jew free territory consisting of the whole mandate.

Actually what Abbas said (in discussing a Palestinian state) was: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo. That means no Israeli's. It means those who choose to stay become Palestinians. Somewhere it got morphed into "No Jews". At least I'm assuming this is the statement? It's the one that has been most brought up.

Israel is trying to be reasonable. It had a family reunification program for decades. At one point it was even willing to take back those arabs that had left, not the whole extended generations as well. It also offered for a time to take in 100,000 over a period of years to gradually integrate them, find housing and or jobs. Several options were put forward and later withdraw when there was no willingness to negotiate or compromise.
So yes I am being careful with the phrasing because Israel has shown they are not acting in a racist manner. Palestinians have proven to be highly racist not allowing jews to remain and become palestinian citizens, and this from Abbas.

Except that is not what Abbas said.

Hamas is not going to be persuaded if Abbas is not willing to try and consider the possibility.
Do you have a better way of determining which side is racist and which one is just being cautious under a dire threat?

Yes. Take an honest look at the treatment of people and see who's racist and who is not. There are a lot of inequities in Israel's system - the way Palestinians are treated in the judicial system and by the police and military for instance (particularly juviniles) and contrast that with how Israeli juviniles are treated. The permit system for expansion. Settlers throw stones at Palestinian children who have to pass in order to go to school. How is it handled? They go under military escort which might or might not show up. How are Palestinian stone throwers threated? Shot or arrested. So...there is racism there. It's not so pristine and clear cut as you would make it. Does that mean the Palestinians are not racist? I think many are as well and a culture based on a policy of complete seperation encourages that on both sides.

Why Does the State Department Endorse Palestinian Fight to Exclude Jews Commentary Magazine

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Israel Daily News Stream 0730 2013

Abbas Palestine will be Judenrein - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Abbas No Jews in Palestinian State

Abbas 8217 Palestine No Jews Allowed

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

 

[Coyote]

No..they did not say that but they sure are working hard to reduce the Muslim population aren't they? Why is it Israeli-Arab communities so seldom get building or expansion permits? How many new Israeli settlements have been built and how many Arab ones? Why is it citizenship is defined by ethnicity?

I actually agree that "right of return" is an impossible demand for Israel and I don't see it as an option. But still - historically - Israel actively particpated in driving non-Jewish Palestinians out of Israel and legislating to bar their return. How many did you say were allowed back...2000? Out of how many?

Actually what Abbas said (in discussing a Palestinian state) was: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo. That means no Israeli's. It means those who choose to stay become Palestinians. Somewhere it got morphed into "No Jews". At least I'm assuming this is the statement? It's the one that has been most brought up.

Except that is not what Abbas said.

Yes. Take an honest look at the treatment of people and see who's racist and who is not. There are a lot of inequities in Israel's system - the way Palestinians are treated in the judicial system and by the police and military for instance (particularly juviniles) and contrast that with how Israeli juviniles are treated. The permit system for expansion. Settlers throw stones at Palestinian children who have to pass in order to go to school. How is it handled? They go under military escort which might or might not show up. How are Palestinian stone throwers threated? Shot or arrested. So...there is racism there. It's not so pristine and clear cut as you would make it. Does that mean the Palestinians are not racist? I think many are as well and a culture based on a policy of complete seperation encourages that on both sides.

Why Does the State Department Endorse Palestinian Fight to Exclude Jews Commentary Magazine

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Israel Daily News Stream 0730 2013

Abbas Palestine will be Judenrein - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Abbas No Jews in Palestinian State

Abbas 8217 Palestine No Jews Allowed

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

 

[Hossfly]

Why Does the State Department Endorse Palestinian Fight to Exclude Jews Commentary Magazine

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Israel Daily News Stream 0730 2013

Abbas Palestine will be Judenrein - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Abbas No Jews in Palestinian State

Abbas 8217 Palestine No Jews Allowed

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

No settlements = no Jews. Plain as day.

 

[Coyote]

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

No settlements = no Jews. Plain as day.

No settlements = no Israeli controlled islands, which are settlements. Let's go by what he says, not the anti-Pali spin.

Edited to add:


Abbas Not a single Israeli in future Palestinian state

Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish settlement building within the land occupied in the 1967 Six Days War.

...

On the future of Jewish settlements on the West Bank and the status of Jerusalem - among the most contentious issues facing the two sides - Abbas signaled no softening of his stance.

"We've already made all the necessary concessions," he said.

"East Jerusalem is the capital of the state of Palestine ... if there were and must be some kind of small exchange (of land) equal in size and value, we are ready to discuss this - no more, no less," he said.
​

In other words - he's talking about the issue of whether Israeli-controlled settlements are allowed to remain in a proposed future state.

 

[aris2chat]

What does it matter what Abbas has to say. The Palestinian people duly elected Hamas to represent them & help them. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.


Hamas Killed 160 Palestinian Children to Build Gaza Tunnels ndash Tablet Magazine

Egypt found a few hundred more tunnels. They are displacing 10,000 people to create the security zone.
Yes, states can take land for security, or several other reason. It is all about feeling safe from Hamas.

 

[MJB12741]

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

No settlements = no Jews. Plain as day.

No settlements = no Israeli controlled islands, which are settlements. Let's go by what he says, not the anti-Pali spin.

Edited to add:


Abbas Not a single Israeli in future Palestinian state

Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish settlement building within the land occupied in the 1967 Six Days War.

...

On the future of Jewish settlements on the West Bank and the status of Jerusalem - among the most contentious issues facing the two sides - Abbas signaled no softening of his stance.

"We've already made all the necessary concessions," he said.

"East Jerusalem is the capital of the state of Palestine ... if there were and must be some kind of small exchange (of land) equal in size and value, we are ready to discuss this - no more, no less," he said.
​

In other words - he's talking about the issue of whether Israeli-controlled settlements are allowed to remain in a proposed future state.

European countries fought many wars against each other, won, gained additional land, built settlements on it & changed the borders. The USA fought a war with Mexico, won, gained additional land, built settlements on it & changed the borders. Israel fought a war with the Arab countries, won, gained addtional land & built settlements on it. I do agree with the Palestinain supporters that it's time for Israel to declare new borders.

What does it matter what Abbas has to say. The Palestinian people duly elected Hamas to represent them & help them. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.


Hamas Killed 160 Palestinian Children to Build Gaza Tunnels ndash Tablet Magazine

Egypt found a few hundred more tunnels. They are displacing 10,000 people to create the security zone.
Yes, states can take land for security, or several other reason. It is all about feeling safe from Hamas.

Truly what Hamas has done to get Palestinians killed & displaced is hard to forgive. But then just how sorry can anyone feel for the Palestinians when it is they themselves who elected Hamas to lead & represent them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Ali Abunimah

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Maysoon Zayid

 

[toastman]

Who are the Palestinians?

Maysoon Zayid

Propaganda video


Seriously though, she's a talented comedian. I always have respect for people who overcome disabilities.

 

[toastman]

Who are the Palestinians?

Maysoon Zayid

I just read her bio and it says she was in the movie "You don't mess with the Zohan" . I recognize her now, she was one of the hairdressers in the Palestinian Salon.

 

[gtopa1]

Arafat murdered anyone who agreed with Sadat's Plan for a Palestinian state. Why? It meant peace with Israel. Hamas kill anyone who wants peace with Israel. There's a pattern there; and no wonder no Pals are putting up their hands saying "Peace with Israel". How many Palestinians has Hamas murdered lately?? There are real victims here; Israelis murdered by Hamas and Palestinians murdered by Palestinian terrorists. I feel sorry for all of the victims and demand JUSTICE for them.

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

Why Does the State Department Endorse Palestinian Fight to Exclude Jews Commentary Magazine

I read this and no where is there an actual quote from Abbas about "no Jews". The issue of Jeruselum does however show that the issue is not that clear.

One of the radio shows I listen to on NPR had a piece on Jerusalem and the the issue of property in East Jerusalum. There is a lot of anger towards Jews buying property there as well as the feeling (justified) that there is an intentional government effort to reduce the resident Palestinian population and increase the Jewish population. There is a lack of transparency in the process of buying property and multiple layers of front-groups hiding the identity of the real purchasers so often, a Palestinian seller is led to think he is sellling to a Palestinian but in reality, it's a front for a Jewish developer. The dark side of this, of course is the Palestinian intolerance to Jews moving into that area and if a Palestinian is known to have sold to a Jew, he becomes a target for violence or death threats.

The Israeli government is also complicit in the process. Through use of the zoning process, they allot zones for Jewish purposes but withhold permits for Palestinians. The government also actively subsidizes Jewish projects and there are areas specifically designated for Jews only. They have also used the zoning process to redraw Jerusalem's municipal boundaries in such a way that they enlarge Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and exclude Palestinian areas from Jeruselums boundaries. When you consider the fact that Palestinians residing outside of Jerusalem can lose their Jerusalem residency status if they are gone 7 or more years (but NOT Jewish residents) -it paints a compellling picture of how demographics are being manipulated.

MIDEAST Israel Moves to Judaise East Jerusalem Inter Press Service

According to UN figures, in 2006 at least 1,360 Palestinians had their ID cards revoked. This was five times more than in 2005, and more than in any previous year since Israel began occupying East Jerusalem.

In 2003, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law was enacted, which denies spouses from the occupied Palestinian territories, who are married to Israeli citizens or permanent residents (Jerusalem ID card holders), the right to acquire citizenship or residency status, and thus the opportunity to live with their partners in Israel and Jerusalem.

As a result, thousands of married couples are forced to live apart from one another.

In Israel, foreign spouses who are Jewish are automatically granted citizenship under Israel's Law of Return.

Furthermore, since 1982 the Israeli Interior Ministry has not permitted the registration of Palestinian children as Jerusalem residents if the child's father does not hold a Jerusalem ID card, even if the mother is a Jerusalem ID cardholder.​

East Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Until 1995, those who lived abroad for more than seven years or obtained residency or citizenship in another country were deemed liable to lose their residency status. In 1995, Israel began revoking permanent residency status from former Arab residents of Jerusalem who could not prove that their "center of life" was still in Jerusalem. This policy was rescinded four years later. In March 2000, the Minister of the Interior, Natan Sharansky, stated that the "quiet deportation" policy would cease, the prior policy would be restored, and Arab natives to Jerusalem would be able to regain residency[62] if they could prove that they have visited Israel at least once every three years. Since December 1995, permanent residency of more than 3,000 individuals "expired," leaving them with neither citizenship nor residency.[62] Despite changes in policy under Sharansky, in 2006 the number of former Arab Jerusalemites to lose their residency status was 1,363, a sixfold increase on the year before.[63] The loss of status is automatic and sometimes occurs without their knowledge.​

Israel also has severely curtailed it's "family reunification" to the point where it's disengenious to use that as an indication that there is no racism. Israeli communities are allowed to reject potential applicants based on ethnic or cultural characteristics thus encourging ever more isolation between the two groups. According to one poll - 42% of Israeli's had never met a Palestinian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?_r=0

In September, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition challenging the Admissions Committees Law, which allows communities to reject housing applicants based on “cultural and social suitability” — a legal pretext to deny residency to non-Jews. In practice, even before the law was passed, it was virtually impossible for a Palestinian to buy or rent a home in any majority-Jewish city.​

So when you look at this...who is racist? The Palestinians? The Israeli's? Both? Neither?

Israel Daily News Stream 0730 2013

Abbas Palestine will be Judenrein - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

Abbas No Jews in Palestinian State

Abbas 8217 Palestine No Jews Allowed

Each of these - it's the same deliberately contorted quote.

These all say the same thing:

Claim : Abbas: Palestinian state will be judenrein or Jew free.
Then right below it it shows the quote: "In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli -- civilian or soldier -- on our lands".
No Israeli's. In otherwords - they will all be, whatever they are - Palestinian citizens and there will be no foreign military presence or "settlers" who do not take on Palestinian citizenship.

It does NOT say "judenrein" nor does it say "jew free" - that is a dishonest and misleading claim attempting, through the use of the german term - to equate this and Abbas to Hitler and the Nazi's. Very dishonest in my opinion.

In doing so - is this also an attempt to incite hate?

Who is racist?

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

Try reading it again as he said NO JEWS even living on Jewish owned land, just like it was in 1949 till 1967 when they evicted by force all the Jews in gaza and the west bank. Against the terms of the mandate that the Islamic nations had agreed to stand by, you know the one that team Palestine often throws into the equation when talking of the declaration of independence from the Jews.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Once the arab muslims had breached that declaration then the preceding part was also nullified.


But back to the matter at hand the Palestinian charter clearly and distinctly Jews will be allowed to exist in Palestine unless they were living there before the first Zionist migrated to the area. This goes back to 1875 when the first Zionist migrated to Palestine under the direct invitation of the Ottomans. So even their charter says that the Jews will not be allowed to exist in any part of Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Who is RACIST look no further than the arab muslims, and here is the link that prove Abbas said no jews in Palestine

Abbas Arabs in Israel No Jews in Palestine Commentary Magazine


Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails:
“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.

Phoenall. Find me ONE direct quote from Abbas saying "NO JEWS".

I challange you to that.

Here you go

No Jews in future Palestinian state Abbas says Israel Jewish Journal

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian state.

No. Read what Abbas actually said.

NO to Palestine Abbas says No Jews in future Palestine Rabbi Jonathan Ginsburg

PA leader Mahmoud Abbas told visiting U.S. congressmen that the independent Palestinian state he says he wants will have no Jewish settlements. This demand for an ethnically cleansed Palestine would mean the forced removal of all Jews living in the territories. Since he is calling for that state to exist in all of the territory of the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Jerusalem that was illegally occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967, that would mean in theory the eviction of over half a million Jews to accommodate his ambition.

Wow. What a hellacious spin put on this.

Abbas says seeking Palestinian state without settlements

What he said was "no settlements" - no enclaves of Israeli owned territory creating a non-contiguous state. Not "no Jews". Not genocide. Not ethnic cleansing. Just no settlements.

No settlements = no Jews. Plain as day.

No settlements = no Israeli controlled islands, which are settlements. Let's go by what he says, not the anti-Pali spin.

Edited to add:


Abbas Not a single Israeli in future Palestinian state

Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish settlement building within the land occupied in the 1967 Six Days War.

...

On the future of Jewish settlements on the West Bank and the status of Jerusalem - among the most contentious issues facing the two sides - Abbas signaled no softening of his stance.

"We've already made all the necessary concessions," he said.

"East Jerusalem is the capital of the state of Palestine ... if there were and must be some kind of small exchange (of land) equal in size and value, we are ready to discuss this - no more, no less," he said.
​

In other words - he's talking about the issue of whether Israeli-controlled settlements are allowed to remain in a proposed future state.

Then that puts the "right of return" of the negotiations doesn't it as the Jews were forcibly removed from their property and had their goods stolen. That is were most of the settlements are placed, on Jewish owned land.

 

[MJB12741]

Arafat murdered anyone who agreed with Sadat's Plan for a Palestinian state. Why? It meant peace with Israel. Hamas kill anyone who wants peace with Israel. There's a pattern there; and no wonder no Pals are putting up their hands saying "Peace with Israel". How many Palestinians has Hamas murdered lately?? There are real victims here; Israelis murdered by Hamas and Palestinians murdered by Palestinian terrorists. I feel sorry for all of the victims and demand JUSTICE for them.

Greg

So true what Hamas has done & is still doing to kill Palestinians is hard to forgive. But then just how sorry can we feel for them when it is the Palestinian people themselves who duly elected Hamas to represent them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Maysoon Zayid

Propaganda video


Seriously though, she's a talented comedian. I always have respect for people who overcome disabilities.

There are some thing you can't overcome. She is in this video.

 

[MJB12741]

Arafat murdered anyone who agreed with Sadat's Plan for a Palestinian state. Why? It meant peace with Israel. Hamas kill anyone who wants peace with Israel. There's a pattern there; and no wonder no Pals are putting up their hands saying "Peace with Israel". How many Palestinians has Hamas murdered lately?? There are real victims here; Israelis murdered by Hamas and Palestinians murdered by Palestinian terrorists. I feel sorry for all of the victims and demand JUSTICE for them.

Arafat murdered anyone who agreed with Sadat's Plan for a Palestinian state. Why? It meant peace with Israel. Hamas kill anyone who wants peace with Israel. There's a pattern there; and no wonder no Pals are putting up their hands saying "Peace with Israel". How many Palestinians has Hamas murdered lately?? There are real victims here; Israelis murdered by Hamas and Palestinians murdered by Palestinian terrorists. I feel sorry for all of the victims and demand JUSTICE for them.

Greg

So true what Hamas has done & is still doing to kill Palestinians is hard to forgive. But then just how sorry can we feel for them when it is the Palestinian people themselves who duly elected Hamas to represent them?

Greg

Report Hamas Used Child Labor to Build Terror Tunnels Hundreds Killed