Who Are The Palestinians?

[Saigon]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

 

[Meathead]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Perhaps a policy of "Finlandization" would have been better for the Israelis. But without the West to protect them, one wonders what would have become of Finland.

While I admire Finns on several fronts and understand their neutrality in the Cold War, I can scarcely understand why they feel so righteous under the circumstances.

Have you repatriated the lands held by Russian homeowners since the 1920s btw?

 

[aris2chat]

Let the truth be known to all.

Who Are The Palestinians What And Where Is Palestine

A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs and their Islam were even born! The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. And if you want to talk religion, fine. G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

That's as far as I got, a mighty Jewish empire never existed.

Also since most Jews in Israel are secular, we'll leave God out of it.

(let me add, and if you insist God gave them the land, well God give it and God take it , which should be evident as no temple there, and Britain is not God).

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

You know what it doesn't matter, they were living there when the Zionist came so there.

A land that could easily support more than 7 million was populated by only 500,000 (arabs, christians and jews). A population in large part not owned by the people living there, or that did not want to register land or pay taxes that would mean military service.
People renting an apartment do not won their unit no matter how many generations live there. When the building is sold or scheduled for destruction so a newer better building can be put up, the tenants have no say, nor do they get the new units at the old price.
Most of the land was on a feudal system with ownership given to award service to the empire or sold to raise money for the empire. There was no way local farmers not making enough to pay the taxes could afford to buy the land or pay the back taxes to register the land. It would also mean they would have to serve in the Ottoman army.
If the land had been arable or profitable it would not have been sold so readily to the jews invited by the Ottoman and powerful arabs of the time.
The mufti rebel-roused the poor and disenfranchised not the actual owners of the land or those of standing. Riots did not just begin with the mufti, thought he was the main driving force of the rabid anti-semitism of the muslim world (an nazi).
The uneducated, under educated, poor and unemployed were not land owners, nor were the farmers that worked the land for their foreign masters. Those who were craftsman and had some other skill that olives, grapes or grain might have shops and small bits of land in or near the towns and villages. They would have made up a small percentage of the population.
Most of the jews and christians were not farmers, except those with the church. Apart from the feudal land owners, these are the ones that would have been land owners in the urban population.
70% of the land was under those circumstances not arable, waste land or migrant routes used by nomads on their way north or south with the seasons.
500,000 occupants of the land were not all or even most land owners, nor did they want to be to avoid taxes or military service. It is illogical to claim the land belonged to those 500,000 people when the Empire fell or was divided by the LoN/UN mandate. Just because they lived on worked the land does not mean they had any right to determine who the land was sold, or not sold to, or who could enter and live in the area. For 1500+ years they were little more than slaves under the muslim or even Byzantine rule.
Jews did not leave the land or give up their rights, they were forced out for rebelling against roman rule. When they returned, they bought land they did not steal it. They did not invade, they were invited by Ottoman and arabs, they were promised a homeland (in name) by the british and ottoman in the early part of the 19th C.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It's always interesting when someone calls other people stupid - in a comment littered with language errors.

Yes, Palestinians are Arabs. So what?

Only after 1960 when the Russians told Arafat to use the term to give his terrorist movement some legitamcy. Befors then as far as the arab muslims were concerned it was a nasty word describing Jews.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.[2]

The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine."

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[aris2chat]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It's always interesting when someone calls other people stupid - in a comment littered with language errors.

Yes, Palestinians are Arabs. So what?

Only after 1960 when the Russians told Arafat to use the term to give his terrorist movement some legitamcy. Befors then as far as the arab muslims were concerned it was a nasty word describing Jews.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.[2]

The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine."

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

citizens did not mean land owners or even politically able to rule the land or set laws for the people.
Habitual residents included christians and jews, not just arab workers.
When the mandate ended the term palestinian referred anyone who had been living and working under the mandate for only two years, half the arab population at the time had migrated after the fall of the ottoman empire seeking jobs.

 

[Penelope]

The Palestinians are people like this:

In one case, a Palestinian boy admitted to reciting the Qur'an while strangling his sister for dishonoring her family. The girl was killed because her desire for independence became public knowledge...

Even when apprehended, murderers serve little or no jail time because honor killings are accorded special status in the courts. Men convicted of premeditated murder may be imprisoned for as little as three to six months. Upon their release, friends and relatives treat them like celebrities. Ahmed, a Palestinian boy who killed his teenage sister because she refused an arranged marriage, was commended upon his release from jail. Neighbors showered him with compliments, and his father called him a hero for restoring the family honor.
Anthropologist Community - Reputation is Everything Honor Killing Among the Palestinians

Now I am not saying there are not some who still do some of this stuff, as we continually try and keep the Muslims in the stone age, by impeding their progress,
by destroying their countries, but the article seems to be mainly from The Frontpage Mag, of which Robert Spencer writes Jihad watch, and seems to have a real problem with Muslims in general. Also that Mag's founder and owner is a Jewish man, so I would take anything they write with caution as it might just be bias.

I not saying this stuff is still not happening on occasion , but that is all the more reason we should not destabilize their countries and cause unrest, but spend the money we spend on waring on some education and human rights programs, and the first place we can start is Saudi Arabia, but no we never say anything about them do we? Strange.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It's always interesting when someone calls other people stupid - in a comment littered with language errors.

Yes, Palestinians are Arabs. So what?

Only after 1960 when the Russians told Arafat to use the term to give his terrorist movement some legitamcy. Befors then as far as the arab muslims were concerned it was a nasty word describing Jews.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.[2]

The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine."

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

citizens did not mean land owners or even politically able to rule the land or set laws for the people.
Habitual residents included christians and jews, not just arab workers.
When the mandate ended the term palestinian referred anyone who had been living and working under the mandate for only two years, half the arab population at the time had migrated after the fall of the ottoman empire seeking jobs.

Private property ownership has nothing to do with rights to country.

People who rent their homes or are even homeless have the same rights to their country as property owners. It is still their country.

It is true that Muslims, Christians, and Jews were equally Palestinian if living in country when it was detached from Turkey.

 

[montelatici]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

 

[MJB12741]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

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Tthe overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just a bunch of squatters living on Israel's land for generations now without any titles or deeds whatsoever. Want peace? This land theft has to end.

 

[Penelope]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

Tthe overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just a bunch of squatters living on Israel's land for generations now without any titles or deeds whatsoever. Want peace? This land theft has to end.

What about those 0ttomans , why didn't you get rid of them when they were squatting on Israel's land. Or what about those Romans, Greeks, Persians, who squatted on Israel's land (and the Jews ran away) Don't see the Pals doing that do you, even with your weapons and tanks. It hasn't been Israel's land for eons. go give it up.

 

[MaryL]

Let the truth be known to all.

Who Are The Palestinians What And Where Is Palestine

Jew propaganda as usual. Have you ever posted anything from a neutral site? Ever? It's like posting links to the protocols of Zion. You should be banned for linking to racist sites.

Let the truth be known to all.

Who Are The Palestinians What And Where Is Palestine

Jew propaganda as usual. Have you ever posted anything from a neutral site? Ever? It's like posting links to the protocols of Zion. You should be banned for linking to racist sites.

As opposed to the anti-Semitism YOU spout, and the cherry picked sites you dredge up,that is rich, who are you trying to fool?

 

[MJB12741]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

Tthe overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just a bunch of squatters living on Israel's land for generations now without any titles or deeds whatsoever. Want peace? This land theft has to end.

What about those 0ttomans , why didn't you get rid of them when they were squatting on Israel's land. Or what about those Romans, Greeks, Persians, who squatted on Israel's land (and the Jews ran away) Don't see the Pals doing that do you, even with your weapons and tanks. It hasn't been Israel's land for eons. go give it up.

The bottom line is this: Any & all land belong to whoever rules it at any given period in time. As long as Israel rules the land --- the land is Israel's. Same is true for all the stolen Muslim lands conquered by force against the native populations now ruled by Muslims. You see, it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Get it yet?

 

[Penelope]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

Tthe overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just a bunch of squatters living on Israel's land for generations now without any titles or deeds whatsoever. Want peace? This land theft has to end.

What about those 0ttomans , why didn't you get rid of them when they were squatting on Israel's land. Or what about those Romans, Greeks, Persians, who squatted on Israel's land (and the Jews ran away) Don't see the Pals doing that do you, even with your weapons and tanks. It hasn't been Israel's land for eons. go give it up.

The bottom line is this: Any & all land belong to whoever rules it at any given period in time. As long as Israel rules the land --- the land is Israel's. Same is true for all the stolen Muslim lands conquered by force against the native populations now ruled by Muslims. You see, it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Get it yet?

Well right now the world is watching, got that yet? Israel is stealing more and more land, and the world knows it, while you have most of the Pals in prison. The world is watching, its no longer the newspapers and nightly news anymore.

 

[aris2chat]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It's always interesting when someone calls other people stupid - in a comment littered with language errors.

Yes, Palestinians are Arabs. So what?

Only after 1960 when the Russians told Arafat to use the term to give his terrorist movement some legitamcy. Befors then as far as the arab muslims were concerned it was a nasty word describing Jews.

The Treaty of Lausanne came into force on August 6, 1924. It stated that the Ottoman nationals who were "habitually residents" of what became Palestine "will become ipso facto" nationals of that state.[2]

The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine."

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

citizens did not mean land owners or even politically able to rule the land or set laws for the people.
Habitual residents included christians and jews, not just arab workers.
When the mandate ended the term palestinian referred anyone who had been living and working under the mandate for only two years, half the arab population at the time had migrated after the fall of the ottoman empire seeking jobs.

Private property ownership has nothing to do with rights to country.

People who rent their homes or are even homeless have the same rights to their country as property owners. It is still their country.

It is true that Muslims, Christians, and Jews were equally Palestinian if living in country when it was detached from Turkey.

Male tax payers, land owners had the rights to vote is they were paid up on taxes and not convicted of any crime had the rights under the Press Law. Males who were registered in some way the ottoman state. The average peasant farmer would not be registered nor represented in government in any way.
Voting and representation of the peasant population in eastern european population of the ottoman empire in the mid 19 C. It was not implemented across the empire. Change was not suggested in the palestinians region till the beginning of the 20th C. and the young turks. The Empire fell before change was implemented.

 

[Grendelyn]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

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As to the population of this area, the 1911 Encyclopedia lists it as follows:

The total population of the country is roughly estimated at 650,000, but no authentic official census exists from which satisfactory information on this point is obtainable. Some two-thirds of this number are Moslems, the rest Christians of various sects, and Jews. The largest town in Palestine is Jerusalem, estimated to contain a population of about 60,000. The other towns of above Io,000 inhabitants are Jaffa (45,000), Gaza (35,000), Safed (30,000), Nablus (25,000), Kerak (20,000), Hebron (18,500), Es-Salt (15,000), Acre (11,000), Nazareth (11,000).
Palestine - Encyclopedia

That is to say, way less than one-third of the population were Jews and in my opinion, it is safe to say that hardly any of them were of the troublemaking, Johnny-come-later Ashkenazim variety. ~ Susan

 

[Daniyel]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

As to the population of this area, the 1911 Encyclopedia lists it as follows:

The total population of the country is roughly estimated at 650,000, but no authentic official census exists from which satisfactory information on this point is obtainable. Some two-thirds of this number are Moslems, the rest Christians of various sects, and Jews. The largest town in Palestine is Jerusalem, estimated to contain a population of about 60,000. The other towns of above Io,000 inhabitants are Jaffa (45,000), Gaza (35,000), Safed (30,000), Nablus (25,000), Kerak (20,000), Hebron (18,500), Es-Salt (15,000), Acre (11,000), Nazareth (11,000).
Palestine - Encyclopedia

That is to say, way less than one-third of the population were Jews and in my opinion, it is safe to say that hardly any of them were of the troublemaking, Johnny-come-later Ashkenazim variety. ~ Susan

Funny..Now take notes.

1.Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed - probably the most Jewish places on earth.
2.Acre and Jaffa was a multicultural harbor cities where most migrants settled [like my family] and still not a Muslim/Christian majority but - Jewish.
3.The list you got there is also contain Jordanian/Egyptian towns which Israel never claimed for like EL-Salt[JORDAN], Kerak[JORDAN], Gaza[EGYPT].

Your source discuss the full region by its recent name - Palestine - when deliberately or not, manipulating the facts to your poor claim Susan.

 

[Hossfly]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

As to the population of this area, the 1911 Encyclopedia lists it as follows:

The total population of the country is roughly estimated at 650,000, but no authentic official census exists from which satisfactory information on this point is obtainable. Some two-thirds of this number are Moslems, the rest Christians of various sects, and Jews. The largest town in Palestine is Jerusalem, estimated to contain a population of about 60,000. The other towns of above Io,000 inhabitants are Jaffa (45,000), Gaza (35,000), Safed (30,000), Nablus (25,000), Kerak (20,000), Hebron (18,500), Es-Salt (15,000), Acre (11,000), Nazareth (11,000).
Palestine - Encyclopedia

That is to say, way less than one-third of the population were Jews and in my opinion, it is safe to say that hardly any of them were of the troublemaking, Johnny-come-later Ashkenazim variety. ~ Susan

You back to the 1911 Encyclopedia which you kept on referring to constantly and someone researched it and found out that you were putting in words that were never there? Where did all these Arabs come from? They probably came from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, etc. when the Jews had jobs for them (as the British officials in the area reported), the same way the Arabs are flooding into Europe for jobs in today's world. Do you even see all the new immigrants who are coming to America for jobs, Pishy?

 

[aris2chat]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

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church and state were two of the largest land owners. Foreign owners, given land by the Ottoman, often owned not just farms but villages as well. People living on or working land would have had little in the way of rights.
You do understand the document you keep posting is not population but amount of land and the amount of taxes paid.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I think your getting the Pals confused with the Zionists.

No. No, I am not.

You need to remember, Penelope, that I am quite sane.

 

[montelatici]

And there was no arab muslim ownership of Palestine from 1099 until 1988. And there second most holy place "allegedly" was allowed to fall into ruin 3 times while islam was in control of the land.

Um.....what?

So you are saying that it is false that most kibbutzim and moshavim were settled on land legally bought from Arabic owners during the period 1899 - 1935?

I have now read perhaps 10 comments from you - everyone one them contains horrendous errors of facts. If you don't know the facts - do not make them up around people who know better.

Here is the real land ownership data as registered by the British from deeds and registries and contained in the Palestine Survey submitted to the UN prior to partition. As can be seen the Jews owned less than 10% of the land and the non-Jews over 90%.

View attachment 32799

Tthe overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just a bunch of squatters living on Israel's land for generations now without any titles or deeds whatsoever. Want peace? This land theft has to end.

Over 90% of the land was owned by non-Jewish Palestinians as per below: