Who Are The Palestinians?

[M14 Shooter]

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I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

Still stuck on this though you have been shown wrong, eh?
Tell me: What other state contests Israel for the West Bank?

Was it a war crime to remove all the ethnic Germans back to Germany?

 

[toastman]

What does that have to do with anything, Bantustans also declared independence, it didn't change the fact that were not de facto sovereign states.

I never claimed they were de facto. That was never the point of debate

 

[Phoenall]

You said: "How can you possibly claim that Palestine is a sovereign state"

Then when I posted the link, you said this: "what I said in an earlier post that Palestine is a de jure sovereign state"

No, you didn't say de jure liar. All you have are lies and propaganda, like we all know

You are correct, I thought I had stated that it was a de jure sovereign state like the Bantustans were, but I see I did not. So I agree that Palestine, like the Bantustans, is a de jure sovereign state.

When people discuss sovereignty, the concept is that of a de facto sovereign state, that is, a state that has control of its borders, air space, people etc. I don't believe that you or anyone else uses the term sovereign, to mean a state, like a Bantustan of Palestine, that has no control of its borders, air space, territorial sea, taxation, people, military, etc. Very few people add "de facto" to differentiate between a truly sovereign state and a de jure sovereign state.

But if you believe you have won the argument because Palestine, Tibet and the Bantustans) among others are/were de jure sovereign states , you have won.

How does that change the fact that Israel has jurisdiction over the Occupied Territories and its people and with this jurisdiction should be adhering to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to which it is a signatory? (Which is the actual point of contention.)

Not so as the arab muslims refuse to be part of the Israeli nation this negating the Universal Declaration of Human rights that does not apply anyway as it is not a legally binding article.

You lose again abdul

 

[Phoenall]

LOL. Well thanks for confirming what I said in an earlier post that Palestine is a de jure sovereign state, like the Bantustans, as opposed to a de facto sovereign state state. You should look into definitions before you post nonsense, may be this will help.

" de-jure sovereign is one who has a legal claim to sovereignty but does not possess it in fact while de-facto sovereign is one who has no legal claim to sovereignty but possesses it in fact and exercises necessary force to make and enforce its laws."

Off Topic trolling and spamming again abdul

 

[Phoenall]

What does that have to do with anything, Bantustans also declared independence, it didn't change the fact that were not de facto sovereign states.

Off topic trolling and spamming again

 

[toastman]

BTW Monti, The sovereignty of the Bantustans was never recognized outside of SA

 

[Phoenall]

No.

"Tribal sovereignty in the United States is the inherent authority of indigenous tribes to govern themselves within the borders of the United States of America. "

Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Exactly! They are within the U.S borders. Not so with the West Bank. The West Bank is Sovereign Palestinian territory which is not inside Israel's borders.

The West Bank is within Israel's border, completely, and Israel completely controls the borders, air space and territorial sea of the West Bank and Gaza. That excludes the possibility of the West Bank having sovereignty except in a de jure manner. Which the Indian tribes have and the Bantustans had.

But playing with semantics to try to condone the treatment of the non-Jews by the Israeli Jews is futile, the facts are glaringly obvious on the ground. This is not history we are talking about, it is happening today, so your silly attempts to justify the unjustifiable is just a waste of time.

Then the arab muslims can be deported as illegal immigrants cant they. Care to show the treaty that transferred the west bank to Israel and why the P.A. knows nothing about it ?

I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

How so as they would be illegal immigrants and it is not ethnic cleansing to deport illegal immigrants, spies, fifth columnists and foreign agitators. You said it was now Israeli land so it is no longer occupied but sovereign territory so the population of arab muslim terrorists, militia and agitators can legally be deported.

 

[montelatici]

BTW Monti, The sovereignty of the Bantustans was never recognized outside of SA

Not that it makes any difference, but the "independent" de jure Bantustans recognized each other.

 

[montelatici]

No.

"Tribal sovereignty in the United States is the inherent authority of indigenous tribes to govern themselves within the borders of the United States of America. "

Tribal sovereignty in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Exactly! They are within the U.S borders. Not so with the West Bank. The West Bank is Sovereign Palestinian territory which is not inside Israel's borders.

The West Bank is within Israel's border, completely, and Israel completely controls the borders, air space and territorial sea of the West Bank and Gaza. That excludes the possibility of the West Bank having sovereignty except in a de jure manner. Which the Indian tribes have and the Bantustans had.

But playing with semantics to try to condone the treatment of the non-Jews by the Israeli Jews is futile, the facts are glaringly obvious on the ground. This is not history we are talking about, it is happening today, so your silly attempts to justify the unjustifiable is just a waste of time.

Then the arab muslims can be deported as illegal immigrants cant they. Care to show the treaty that transferred the west bank to Israel and why the P.A. knows nothing about it ?

I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

How so as they would be illegal immigrants and it is not ethnic cleansing to deport illegal immigrants, spies, fifth columnists and foreign agitators. You said it was now Israeli land so it is no longer occupied but sovereign territory so the population of arab muslim terrorists, militia and agitators can legally be deported.

Well, if that's the case, then Israel can evict all non-Jews without fear of sanctions, international arrest warrants for the leaders etc.

I did not say the occupied territories were a de facto a sovereign state, I agreed with Toast that it is a de jure sovereign state. From now on, because of Toast, we will have to make sure to add de facto or de jure in front of sovereign to make sure there is no confusion as to what is meant by sovereign.

 

[Phoenall]

BTW Monti, The sovereignty of the Bantustans was never recognized outside of SA

Not that it makes any difference, but the "independent" de jure Bantustans recognized each other.

Off Topic spamming and trolling again

 

[Phoenall]

Exactly! They are within the U.S borders. Not so with the West Bank. The West Bank is Sovereign Palestinian territory which is not inside Israel's borders.

The West Bank is within Israel's border, completely, and Israel completely controls the borders, air space and territorial sea of the West Bank and Gaza. That excludes the possibility of the West Bank having sovereignty except in a de jure manner. Which the Indian tribes have and the Bantustans had.

But playing with semantics to try to condone the treatment of the non-Jews by the Israeli Jews is futile, the facts are glaringly obvious on the ground. This is not history we are talking about, it is happening today, so your silly attempts to justify the unjustifiable is just a waste of time.

Then the arab muslims can be deported as illegal immigrants cant they. Care to show the treaty that transferred the west bank to Israel and why the P.A. knows nothing about it ?

I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

How so as they would be illegal immigrants and it is not ethnic cleansing to deport illegal immigrants, spies, fifth columnists and foreign agitators. You said it was now Israeli land so it is no longer occupied but sovereign territory so the population of arab muslim terrorists, militia and agitators can legally be deported.

Well, if that's the case, then Israel can evict all non-Jews without fear of sanctions, international arrest warrants for the leaders etc.

I did not say the occupied territories were a de facto a sovereign state, I agreed with Toast that it is a de jure sovereign state. From now on, because of Toast, we will have to make sure to add de facto or de jure in front of sovereign to make sure there is no confusion as to what is meant by sovereign.

That is correct and to prove it look at what the arab muslims did in 1949 to the Jews. No legal right of return, but there is a legal acquisition of stolen land by force clause. This means that Jews an take back by force land stolen from them by arab muslims and build on it. They can evict the arab muslims living there using deadly force if they wish and the world cant do a thing once the land title is proven.

 

[MJB12741]

The West Bank is within Israel's border, completely, and Israel completely controls the borders, air space and territorial sea of the West Bank and Gaza. That excludes the possibility of the West Bank having sovereignty except in a de jure manner. Which the Indian tribes have and the Bantustans had.

But playing with semantics to try to condone the treatment of the non-Jews by the Israeli Jews is futile, the facts are glaringly obvious on the ground. This is not history we are talking about, it is happening today, so your silly attempts to justify the unjustifiable is just a waste of time.

Then the arab muslims can be deported as illegal immigrants cant they. Care to show the treaty that transferred the west bank to Israel and why the P.A. knows nothing about it ?

I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

How so as they would be illegal immigrants and it is not ethnic cleansing to deport illegal immigrants, spies, fifth columnists and foreign agitators. You said it was now Israeli land so it is no longer occupied but sovereign territory so the population of arab muslim terrorists, militia and agitators can legally be deported.

Well, if that's the case, then Israel can evict all non-Jews without fear of sanctions, international arrest warrants for the leaders etc.

I did not say the occupied territories were a de facto a sovereign state, I agreed with Toast that it is a de jure sovereign state. From now on, because of Toast, we will have to make sure to add de facto or de jure in front of sovereign to make sure there is no confusion as to what is meant by sovereign.

That is correct and to prove it look at what the arab muslims did in 1949 to the Jews. No legal right of return, but there is a legal acquisition of stolen land by force clause. This means that Jews an take back by force land stolen from them by arab muslims and build on it. They can evict the arab muslims living there using deadly force if they wish and the world cant do a thing once the land title is proven.

The Christians sure took back their stolen Muslim land during the Crusades.

 

[MJB12741]

Then the arab muslims can be deported as illegal immigrants cant they. Care to show the treaty that transferred the west bank to Israel and why the P.A. knows nothing about it ?

I guess the Israelis could evict all the non-Jews, but they would be committing a war crime (ethnic cleansing) as it is still occupied territory under international law and it is illegal to transfer population out of occupied territory.

How so as they would be illegal immigrants and it is not ethnic cleansing to deport illegal immigrants, spies, fifth columnists and foreign agitators. You said it was now Israeli land so it is no longer occupied but sovereign territory so the population of arab muslim terrorists, militia and agitators can legally be deported.

Well, if that's the case, then Israel can evict all non-Jews without fear of sanctions, international arrest warrants for the leaders etc.

I did not say the occupied territories were a de facto a sovereign state, I agreed with Toast that it is a de jure sovereign state. From now on, because of Toast, we will have to make sure to add de facto or de jure in front of sovereign to make sure there is no confusion as to what is meant by sovereign.

That is correct and to prove it look at what the arab muslims did in 1949 to the Jews. No legal right of return, but there is a legal acquisition of stolen land by force clause. This means that Jews an take back by force land stolen from them by arab muslims and build on it. They can evict the arab muslims living there using deadly force if they wish and the world cant do a thing once the land title is proven.

The Christians sure took back their stolen Muslim land during the Crusades.

And if the radical Muslims continue killing Christian & Jewish infidels all over the world, you can bet on another Crusades coming.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Thanks for that video as it destroys the claims about gaza being destroyed houses and unable to get cement for construction. I wish The UK inner cities were as clean and pleasant as the gaza depicted in that video.

Massive fail for team Palestine, will keep and use to show they are propagandists

 

[MJB12741]

Where are the ovens in Israel's Gaza concentration camp?

http://p4.img.cctvpic.com/20110619/images/1308453199922_1308453199922_r.jpg

 

[MJB12741]

While on the subject of WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS, let us put aside all bias & predjudice & just consider documented facts.

Category Terrorist attacks attributed to Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Mindful]

 

[theliq]

Pathetic Joke.....it's Scum like you that give genuine Jews a bad name......BUT THEN YOU ARE NOT REALLY JEWISH BUT A RABID ZIOMANIAC

 

[theliq]

Written by a ZIONIST(Michael Eitan) for ZIOMANIACS