Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

Again with the treaty of Lausanne lie ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part of Operation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza. It began as a transit camp called Gabim Dorot for Kurdish and Persian Jewish immigrants, numbering 80 families,[8] as part of a chain of settlements designed to block infiltration from Gaza.

Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And until the arab muslims decide to comply with the UN charter and their own promises then it will stay Israeli. And don't forget that Egypt signed a treaty with Israel setting the borders in place, and Sderot is on the Israeli side of that border.

No it didn't.

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

What does Israel's border with Egypt have to do with Palestine ?? You're living on a different planet still


"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Interesting map. Where is the national capital of that so called Israel?

 

[toastman]

And until the arab muslims decide to comply with the UN charter and their own promises then it will stay Israeli. And don't forget that Egypt signed a treaty with Israel setting the borders in place, and Sderot is on the Israeli side of that border.

No it didn't.

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

What does Israel's border with Egypt have to do with Palestine ?? You're living on a different planet still


"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Interesting map. Where is the national capital of that so called Israel?

Nice Duck.

Israel's capital is Jerusalem, which is disputed. What's your point ?

Do you know how many times we've had this debate?? Israel has internationally recognized borders, whether you like it or not .

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What in the hell are you talking about.

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

(COMMENT)

While the Treaty of Lausanne (1924) had some minor impact on the Citizenship Order relative to the territory to which the Mandate Applied, (covered in the Citizenship Order of 1925), ---- it had absolutely nothing to do with the State of Palestine or any Palestinian Sovereignty prior to 1988.

You overuse this "Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel" much to often. It is poorly written and simply not applicable in some cases. For instance, the Genesis of Citizenship in Israel is simply the Declaration of Independence of Israel and the establishment of its sovereignty. The Treaty of Lausanne, written by the same community of authors as the Allied Powers, had nothing to do with it. It did not change much that was already in effect and did not put anything new in effect relative to Middle East Sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

So the Palestinians became citizens of what? A temporarily assigned administration?

You don't make any sense.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What in the hell are you talking about.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

(COMMENT)

While the Treaty of Lausanne (1924) had some minor impact on the Citizenship Order relative to the territory to which the Mandate Applied, (covered in the Citizenship Order of 1925), ---- it had absolutely nothing to do with the State of Palestine or any Palestinian Sovereignty prior to 1988.

You overuse this "Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel" much to often. It is poorly written and simply not applicable in some cases. For instance, the Genesis of Citizenship in Israel is simply the Declaration of Independence of Israel and the establishment of its sovereignty. The Treaty of Lausanne, written by the same community of authors as the Allied Powers, had nothing to do with it. It did not change much that was already in effect and did not put anything new in effect relative to Middle East Sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

So the Palestinians became citizens of what? A temporarily assigned administration?

You don't make any sense.

YOU don't make any sense

 

[P F Tinmore]

No it didn't.

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

What does Israel's border with Egypt have to do with Palestine ?? You're living on a different planet still


"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Interesting map. Where is the national capital of that so called Israel?

Nice Duck.

Israel's capital is Jerusalem, which is disputed. What's your point ?

Do you know how many times we've had this debate?? Israel has internationally recognized borders, whether you like it or not .

Then your map is inaccurate.

Dismissed.

 

[toastman]

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Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

What does Israel's border with Egypt have to do with Palestine ?? You're living on a different planet still


"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Interesting map. Where is the national capital of that so called Israel?

Nice Duck.

Israel's capital is Jerusalem, which is disputed. What's your point ?

Do you know how many times we've had this debate?? Israel has internationally recognized borders, whether you like it or not .

Then your map is inaccurate.

Dismissed.

It's not MY map. It is the official map of Israel.

Nice rebuttal thought !

 

[toastman]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

 

[P F Tinmore]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

From your link:

The declaration then proclaims a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem"​

Has anyone disputed that?

 

[toastman]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

From your link:

The declaration then proclaims a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem"​

Has anyone disputed that?

Not that I know of, Palestinian territory of course being Gaza and the West Bank, as recognized by international law.

 

[toastman]

Their PROCLAIMED capital however is East Jerusalem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

From your link:

The declaration then proclaims a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem"​

Has anyone disputed that?

Not that I know of, Palestinian territory of course being Gaza and the West Bank, as recognized by international law.

It is?

What law is that?

 

[montelatici]

In my opinion the borders became fixed when the General Assembly adopted the partition resolution (181), which ratified the British proposals. (It also provided for an independent international mixed status for the city of Jerusalem.) The Resolution constitutes the only legally authorized demarkation of the Israeli-Palestine borders. It was legally authoritative not because it took the form of a UN Resolution, but solely because the UN Resolution itself served as a ratification of the British proposal to divide the Palestine and leave its governance to the people, all the people. The legal power resided in Great Britain as the trustee and not in the United Nations. As trustee, Britain had the power to partition the territory if (and only if) it was the best way to provide the future self-government by the people of Palestine, all the people of Palestine. Contrary to popular belief, the General Assembly did not derive its legal powers directly from the Charter of the UN, but rather as surrogate for the League of Nations. It was the League as a supervisory authority over the British Mandate that devolved its powers of mandate supervision to the UN and, through the UN, to the General Assembly. Legal title to the land was not conferred by Resolution 181 alone but rather by Great Britain's acceptance of the terms of Resolution 181. The State of Israel owes its entire legal existence to the exercise by Great Britain of its League of Nations' Mandatory Power over the territory of Palestine. The morality of Britains may be questioned, but Britain had that power, according to the Mandate. It owes nothing to the United Nations as a separate entity and, cannot claim any additional rights from the United Nations. As soon as 181 was passed (Great Britain abstained by the way), the legal borders between Israel and Palestine were forever fixed. Since acquisition of territory through conquest is forbidden in the Charter of the UN and International Law in general, the 181 borders could only be changed by one of two processes: first, explicit agreement between Israel and the authorized representatives of Palestine, and second, by international arbitration only in cases of disputed areas where the verbal description contained in 181 was not clear in terms of existing maps or surveys. The Security Council has never had, and has no power to change international borders.

 

[toastman]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

From your link:

The declaration then proclaims a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem"​

Has anyone disputed that?

Not that I know of, Palestinian territory of course being Gaza and the West Bank, as recognized by international law.

It is?

What law is that?

"It is?"

Let me get this straight. You don't know what territory constitutes the State of Palestine ??????????

 

[toastman]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

 

[montelatici]

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is you that is attempting to skew the reality.

So the Palestinians became citizens of what? A temporarily assigned administration?

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

Palestine was (at that time) defined as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies. And the Government of Palestine was that established by the Mandatory. The intent was to maintain that citizenship until the territory had met the Article 22 requirement of being able to stand alone. In 1948, the State of Israel was able to stand alone. The Arab State rejected the offer to participate in the Steps Preparatory to Independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

It really does not make a wit of difference whether the Arab State rejected any offer, which is patently untrue, by the way. The Mandate required that the people of Palestine, all the people of Palestine (Christians and Muslims included) were to be made self-governing. They were, even in 1948 two thirds of the population, after all.

 

[toastman]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

I'm not talking about armistice line. I'm talking about the territory that constitutes the State of Palestine. The territory that the Palestinians declared independent in 1988