Who Are The Palestinians?

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RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
 
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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Nice duck Tinmore. No one expects a rebuttal from you when well documented, unbiased facts are presented. Ain't life a ***** Tinmore?
 
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No matter what you may think, it was not a "unilateral move that was unrelated to anything else;" meaning performed by Jewish population without the agreement of UN (successor to the League of Nations) or the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (successor government to the Mandatory).

First, there was a UN Special Commission on Palestine recommendation (both a Majority version and a Minority version).
THEN, the was the General Assembly Recommendation 181(II) itself, which included the partitioning of a Jewish State.
THEN there was the general coordination between the Jewish Agency and the UNPC in the completion of the Step Preparatory to Independence.
THEN there was the 14 May Jewish Agency Coordination with the UNPC on the announcement of "Independence."
THEN there was the official Public Announcement by the UN:

EXCERPT from UN PRESS RELEASE PAL169 said:
During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

Dr. Paul Diez de Medina (Bolivia) said that the Assembly last Friday did only two things. First, he said, "it appointed a mediator between the parties and that in itself is reaffirmation of partition." The second part of the reference to the Commission expressed appreciation for the work performed, and that, he said, was also reaffirmation for partition. PAL169 17 MAY 48
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P F Tinmore said:
Phoenall said:
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
montelatici, et al,

This is often expressed by pro-Palestinian activists; trying for the appeal to emotion.

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In my opinion, there was to colonial activity in the Middle East. And the application of the non-binding concepts of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples are not really applicable to the Mandate System in that:
  • The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples.
  • The intention of Mandate was to extend the universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
  • The intention of Mandate was the creation of conditions that would advance the attainment of their independence.
Considering the important role of the League of Nations, and the UN, (the successor governments to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkey surrendered all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction, had in the establishment of all the Arab governments in the Middle East (territory formerly under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire) in assisting the various bids for independence in Trusts and Non-Self-Governing Territories, it should be noted that the nations upon which such powers of guardianship were conferred exercise them "as Mandatories on behalf of the League of Nations.

Most Respectfully,
R
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OK, but the Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

That is not to say that the Mandate was not complicit in setting the stage for Israel's military takeover of Palestine. Britain did provide the political and military power to protect the pre state colonization of Palestine by the Zionists. Britain allowed the Zionists to create a state within a state, including a military, while denying the same to the Palestinians.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that was unrelated to anything else.
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BULLSHIT

The Mandate for Palestine was set up primarily to enable the Jews to set up their National Home. It even says so in the first 10 articles, or don't you read the links you keep demanding
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I have.

Where does it conflict with my post?
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A/RES/181 (II) said:
F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS
When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.
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There was no such thing as "unilateral" action. The Jewish Agency did it all in the open light of day, with the UN onboard with every action.

Most Respectfully,
R

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What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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UN res 181, better known as the partition plan was the compromise. The arab muslims rejected it out of hand
P F Tinmore said:
Phoenall said:
montelatici said:
Britain facilitated and abetted the transfer of Europeans to Palestine, while fully cognizant that the transfer would result in the displacement of the local people. They had no intention adhering to the Mandate which stated that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". Since the establishment of a European state in Palestine seriously prejudiced and civil and religious rights of the existing (note the word existing) non-Jewish communities in Palestine, the terms of the Mandate were not followed. Hence, the illegality.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922
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Remember that 1922 civil and religious rights are what you need to look at here and not UN charters or resolutions. So what civil and religious rights as they were in 1922 did the non Jewish communities lose. The Jews lost more rights when they were forcibly evicted, abused, beaten, raped and murdered by the arab muslims who breached this part of the same International law

or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

As for you link it is not a legally binding document , just a preamble to a future change in policy. Now were is the change in policy and when did it take place. ( by the way I hold a white paper and the change in policy which are dated 18 months apart, the white paper details proposed changes in the Telecommunications acts that require users of telecommunications equipment to reach certain criteria and to give a fair representation of themselves. We were invited to give out views on the proposals and succeeded in having many of the unfair and unworkable aspects removed or re-written. The white paper was not law, and was never intended to be law, just a set of proposals. That is how it was originally set out all those years ago )
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The Jews lost more rights when they were forcibly evicted, abused, beaten, raped and murdered by the arab muslims who breached this part of the same International law​

OK, but the Palestinians had nothing to do with that.
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It was Palestine that they were forcibly evicted from by the arab muslims calling themselves Palestinians in 1949. Or didn't you know about the million plus Jewish refugees that were forced out of their homelands and property in 1949 by all the arab muslims including the Palestinian scum. Why do you think the Jews are building settlements in the west bank and Jerusalem, they have reclaimed the land they hold title to
 
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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It answers them in full, just that you don't want to read them. Every question you ask is answered in full and you ask the same questions time after time after time as if the answers will be different.
 
montelatici, et al,

On the First of July 1922, before the Mandate for Palestine is finalized, and even before the Palestine Order in Council was approved and published, the question arises: What was meant by the "civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine?"

The Progressive Era (generally thought of as about 1890-to-1920), there was not clear definition of "Civil Rights" --- particularly when it came to self-determination. In fact, most Western and European nations established sovereignty (not through self-determination but) by either Right of Discovery and/or the Right of Conquest. At the beginning of the Progressive era, most of the world was sovereign under the rule of a Dynasty by to an Empire.

Just to name a very few from the Progressive Era are: Please notice that several of the Principle Allied Powers of the Great War (WWI) were empires. Also noting that four of the defeated Empires (Russian, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman and Germany) fell during this period.
The term 'subject' (as in describing citizenship: ie: British Subject French Subject) was used rather than 'citizen' because in a monarchy --- the monarch is the source of authority in whose name all legal power in civil and military law is exercised. When in 1918, aboard the British Battleship HMS Agamemnon, at the Aegean port of Mudros --- the Ottoman Empire sign an armistice/treaty (Ending Ottoman participation in the First World War); and Turkey renounced all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction in favor of the Principle Allied Powers (the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I who were represented by the prime ministers of Britain (David Lloyd George), France (Alexandre Millerand) and Italy (Francesco Nitti) and by Japan's Ambassador K. Matsui) three of the four allies were either Kingdoms or Empires in 1920. It should be remembered that none of the Principle Allied Powers (three with Monarchs King George V, Alexandre Millerand, King Victor Emmanuel III, Emperor Taishō) did not really foster the right of self-determination when it came to national sovereignty. What little discussion there was on the "right of self-determination" --- it was only applicable in local conditions, but not a justification for open rebellion.

montelatici said:
Britain facilitated and abetted the transfer of Europeans to Palestine, while fully cognizant that the transfer would result in the displacement of the local people. They had no intention adhering to the Mandate which stated that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". Since the establishment of a European state in Palestine seriously prejudiced and civil and religious rights of the existing (note the word existing) non-Jewish communities in Palestine, the terms of the Mandate were not followed. Hence, the illegality.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922
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The allegation must be supported by some common law understanding as to what constitutes "civil and religious rights" on the Progressive Era. And that is simply difficult to do. Given the type kind and number of Kingdoms and Empires, it is not likely that you will find support for the concept that the people have some right to determine the destiny of the entire sovereignty for generations to come.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

I've more than answered your question.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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(COMMENT)

You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
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You are just being argumentative. Pretending like you have some special understanding.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RoccoR said:
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You are just being argumentative. Pretending like you have some special understanding.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]


Tinmore may not have a special understanding, but he does have special needs, so you should treat him accordingly.
 
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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(COMMENT)

You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
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Ummm, yes he did. \you should be thanking him for providing you with all that information.
 
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
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(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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(COMMENT)

You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
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Do explain in full detail how you arrive at that conclusion, as the posts answer your questions in great detail.
 
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I've more than answered your question.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

P F Tinmore said:
What were the issues that they discusses? Were there any compromises?
Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?

Surely you can document these things.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
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(COMMENT)

You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
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(COMMENT)

You are just being argumentative. Pretending like you have some special understanding.

Most Respectfully,
R
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Not at all. You posted many things that they wanted to do. There was nothing about what was done.

That was my question that you are dodging.
 
Rocco don't fall for Tinmore's tricks. He's playing with your head.

This is one of the tactics he uses when he loses the argument and has his back to the wall....he deflects.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have seen this complaint before. The Arab attempt to obstruct the implementation process by having a coordinated attack by four Arab Armies on the very day of independence, then criticize governmental activities (like the UNPC) for not being able to complete nation build in the middle of a War of Independence the Arabs started in the first place.

REMEBER:

The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted to complete it mission because of the initiation of hostilities by the Arab Nations adjacent to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948​

P F Tinmore said:
Not at all. You posted many things that they wanted to do. There was nothing about what was done.

That was my question that you are dodging.
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(COMMENT)

There were (YES!) many things that the successor government (the UNPC) wanted to do --- but had to abort or give-up --- do to the Arab Invasion (external influences). Whatever had befell the Arab after the failed attempt to unravel the creation of the independent Jewish State of Israel, they deserve. The Arab Palestinian has absolutely no right to criticize the UNPC --- even if the UNPC never accomplished a thing. The UNPC was not answerable to the Arab Palestinians at all:


You can lay directly at the feet of the Arabs the discrepancy between what the UNPC "wanted to do" --- and what the Arab sabotaging "what was done."

The text of this resolution [A/RES/181 (II)] was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”​

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee. A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948
​
Let there be no mistake --- the Arabs in representing the Palestinian people (The Arab Higher Committee of the Arab League) cut the lines of communications with the Arab Palestinian Community. The UNPC was still talking and coordination with the Jewish Agency on matters pertaining tot the Steps Preparatory to Independence. And since that time, no matter who is involved and no matter what arrangements have been made, in the end --- the Arab Palestinian (playing the roll of perpetual victim) sabotage any negation effort which generally collapse.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
The attempt at preventing the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Christians and Muslims that were left behind in the area illegally given to Europeans, was not an attack. It was a regional coalition that was attempting to prevent a crime against humanity.
 
montelatici said:
The attempt at preventing the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Christians and Muslims that were left behind in the area illegally given to Europeans, was not an attack. It was a regional coalition that was attempting to prevent a crime against humanity.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
15th post
P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I've more than answered your question.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

No smoke at all.

P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have given you this any number of times. The documentation is found at:
I find it interesting that you (personally) challenge the these various organs of statecraft to your standard personal standard and not the reality of that day; as if that actually impacts their true accomplishment and disputes their validity.

(COMMENT)

There are any number of thing that were discussed --- covering a wide range of issues (matters of State) --- for which the Arab Higher Committee had declined to include their voice. And so they were not consulted. These include, but are not limited to: (One and half month sample)
04/23/1948 A/AC.21/UK/123 UN Palestine Commission - Situation in Haifa - Letter from United Kingdom
General Headings were:

I. Administrative and Legal, including
(a) Planning in conjunction with the Mandatory Power the transfer of the Administration of Palestine from the Mandatory Power to the Commission and eventually to the two States and to the City of Jerusalem.
(b) Effecting the same transfer and assisting in the setting up of the two States and the City.
(c) Co-ordinating the operation of the two Provisional Councils of Government. This item would involve questions relating to the administration of justice, prisons, municipal law-in-force, establishment and supervision of administrative organs of control and local, government, electoral laws, supervision of elections, citizenship.​
II. Economic and Financial, including
(a) The establishment of the Economic Union and the Joint Economic Board by the Preparatory Economic Commission.
(b) The preparation of the draft undertaking regarding Economic Union and Freedom of Transit.
(c) The maintenance of essential economic services in the transitional period before the States and the Economic Union are fully functioning.
(d) Allocation and distribution of assets.​
III. Security, including
(a) Political and military control over militia in each of the States, including selection of the high command.
(b) Questions of public order,​
IV. Boundaries, including
The definition and establishment of boundaries.​
V. Social Cultural and Religious, including
(a) The maintenance of adequate standards of public health and education.
(b) The protection of Holy Places,​
VI. Preparation for Application of United Nations Statute for City of Jerusalem​

Most Respectfully,
R
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Lots of smoke there, Rocco.

None of all of that answered my questions.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

You asked:

  • What were the issues that they discusses?
    • I gave links for major issues discussed.
  • Were there any compromises?
    • Compromise requires a good faith effort by more than one party.
    • The Arab Palestinian decline to participate.
    • No issue was raised by the Arab Palestinians because they rejected the offer to participate.
  • Were there agreements on the peoples rights and defined borders?
    • No rights issue were raised by the Arab Palestinian during the processing of Steps Preparatory to Independence.
    • External Influences by invading Arab Armies truncated these discussions.
    • External Influences attempting to undermine the decisions of the General Assembly.

You said: "Surely you can document these things." There are links to over 45 documents there.
  • Everything about has a supporting link. It is all documented.
The Arab Palestinian purposely attempted to corrupt the process by which independence was established. The General Assembly acknowledged the Declaration of Independence, submitted the application to the Security Council, the Security Council favorably recommended the Jewish State for admission, AND the General Assembly decided to skip the P F Tinmore requirements and admit Israel to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R
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You are still not answering the questions.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

You are just being argumentative. Pretending like you have some special understanding.

Most Respectfully,
R
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Not at all. You posted many things that they wanted to do. There was nothing about what was done.

That was my question that you are dodging.
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Clutching at straws now aren't you after having the evidence produced. It was the arab muslims that refused to deal with the situation, and like petulant schoolchildren they wanted it all and cried when they couldn't get it. They are still crying now only this time it is because they are getting their butts whipped all the time
 
montelatici said:
The attempt at preventing the massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Christians and Muslims that were left behind in the area illegally given to Europeans, was not an attack. It was a regional coalition that was attempting to prevent a crime against humanity.
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It was an attack and only a braindead islamonazi propagandist could say otherwise. They threatened an attack if the Jews declared independence, and did not give a damn about the Christians who were herded in front of the brave muslims to deflect the bullets. The only crimes against humanity were the beatings, rapes, forcible evictions and property thefts of the Jews by arab muslims. Over 1 million Jews lost everything to arab nationalism and YOU don't care about the breach of International law by arab muslims that took place. The world should be demanding compensation for the Jews as a result of the arab muslims attacks and handing the land to The Jews



By the way which international law was breached when the land was given to the Jews ? Seeing as you see it as being illegal.
 
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have seen this complaint before. The Arab attempt to obstruct the implementation process by having a coordinated attack by four Arab Armies on the very day of independence, then criticize governmental activities (like the UNPC) for not being able to complete nation build in the middle of a War of Independence the Arabs started in the first place.

REMEBER:

The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted to complete it mission because of the initiation of hostilities by the Arab Nations adjacent to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948​

P F Tinmore said:
Not at all. You posted many things that they wanted to do. There was nothing about what was done.

That was my question that you are dodging.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

There were (YES!) many things that the successor government (the UNPC) wanted to do --- but had to abort or give-up --- do to the Arab Invasion (external influences). Whatever had befell the Arab after the failed attempt to unravel the creation of the independent Jewish State of Israel, they deserve. The Arab Palestinian has absolutely no right to criticize the UNPC --- even if the UNPC never accomplished a thing. The UNPC was not answerable to the Arab Palestinians at all:


You can lay directly at the feet of the Arabs the discrepancy between what the UNPC "wanted to do" --- and what the Arab sabotaging "what was done."

The text of this resolution [A/RES/181 (II)] was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”​
No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee. A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948​
Let there be no mistake --- the Arabs in representing the Palestinian people (The Arab Higher Committee of the Arab League) cut the lines of communications with the Arab Palestinian Community. The UNPC was still talking and coordination with the Jewish Agency on matters pertaining tot the Steps Preparatory to Independence. And since that time, no matter who is involved and no matter what arrangements have been made, in the end --- the Arab Palestinian (playing the roll of perpetual victim) sabotage any negation effort which generally collapse.

Most Respectfully,
R
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Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.​

That they had every right to do. They had, and still have, the right to resist the colonization of their country.

The British and the UN knew exactly what the problem was but the assholes continued with their stupid plan to impose the colonization of Palestine by military force. A plan that continues to today.

The solution is well known and already defined. It is here:

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

The solution is already imbedded in international law and reiterated in this resolution.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

With respect to General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 --- it is a non-binding recommendation. And the recommendation came well after the Mandate and subsequent Independence of Israel. What is done is done! As I have stated before (several times), you have to stretch some in order to get the Decolonization protocol to even fit the ground truth of the current State of Palestine ---- or even ---- the territory to which the former Mandate was applied.

World Encyclopedia of Law: [SIZE=4 said:
Introduction to Decolonization][/SIZE]
At the end of World War II (1939-1945), the great powers held vast colonial empires in the developing world. One goal of the UN charter was decolonization-ending the practice of colonialism. The Trusteeship Council was established as the UN organ to aid in the decolonization process. As colonies gained their independence in the mid-20th century, one of their first steps was to join the UN. This act announced their arrival on the international stage as a full-fledged member of the international community. The Trusteeship Council served as a transitional authority to help a country make the transition from colony to independent nation. In 1994 the last colony gained its independence and the Trusteeship Council suspended its operations.” Decolonization
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P F Tinmore said:
RoccoR said:
P F Tinmore, et al,

I have seen this complaint before. The Arab attempt to obstruct the implementation process by having a coordinated attack by four Arab Armies on the very day of independence, then criticize governmental activities (like the UNPC) for not being able to complete nation build in the middle of a War of Independence the Arabs started in the first place.

REMEBER:

The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted to complete it mission because of the initiation of hostilities by the Arab Nations adjacent to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948​

P F Tinmore said:
Not at all. You posted many things that they wanted to do. There was nothing about what was done.

That was my question that you are dodging.
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

There were (YES!) many things that the successor government (the UNPC) wanted to do --- but had to abort or give-up --- do to the Arab Invasion (external influences). Whatever had befell the Arab after the failed attempt to unravel the creation of the independent Jewish State of Israel, they deserve. The Arab Palestinian has absolutely no right to criticize the UNPC --- even if the UNPC never accomplished a thing. The UNPC was not answerable to the Arab Palestinians at all:


You can lay directly at the feet of the Arabs the discrepancy between what the UNPC "wanted to do" --- and what the Arab sabotaging "what was done."

The text of this resolution [A/RES/181 (II)] was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”​
No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee. A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948​

Let there be no mistake --- the Arabs in representing the Palestinian people (The Arab Higher Committee of the Arab League) cut the lines of communications with the Arab Palestinian Community. The UNPC was still talking and coordination with the Jewish Agency on matters pertaining tot the Steps Preparatory to Independence. And since that time, no matter who is involved and no matter what arrangements have been made, in the end --- the Arab Palestinian (playing the roll of perpetual victim) sabotage any negation effort which generally collapse.

Most Respectfully,
R
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Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.​

That they had every right to do. They had, and still have, the right to resist the colonization of their country.

The British and the UN knew exactly what the problem was but the assholes continued with their stupid plan to impose the colonization of Palestine by military force. A plan that continues to today.

The solution is well known and already defined. It is here:

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

The solution is already imbedded in international law and reiterated in this resolution.
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(QUESTION)

Where is "decolonization" imbedded in "International Law?"

(COMMENT)

Decolonization and matters of State Succession are not codified into International Law. In most cases the issues are documented by treaties, or defended under the "Right of Conquest" or the "Right of Discovery."
  1. International Law - conquest and discovery; colonization
    famguardian.org/Publications/PropertyRights/R5Conq.html
    "The English possessions in America were not claimed by right of conquest, but by rightof discovery. For, ... CONQUEST, international law.
About 80 former colonies have gained independence since the creation of the United Nations. Currently, there are 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) across the globe that the UN considers as subjects for decolonization; BUT Palestine is not considered a NSGT.

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​

A continuing dialogue among the administering Allied Powers is required. The Special Committee on Decolonization (Committee of 24 or C-24), and the peoples of the territories, in accordance with the relevant UN resolutions on decolonization must engage in negotiations. However, there are some territories that have decided that they are much better-off as a territory administered by one of the Allied Powers then to go fully independent and stand-alone.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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