Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

Is it the Muslim (as the practitioner) that is responsible for these radical conflicts? Or, is it Islam (as the religion practiced) that spreads the hostility and conflict? If we adopt the one perspective --- the answer becomes: The Islamic Koran does not kill people --- Muslims do! In the opposite perspective you see the defense that several prominent Palestinian leaders have adopted: "The dilemma --- Does Muslim follow what believe believes to be the devine will? Or, does the Muslims adopt a more ethical interpretation of the Koran; one less violent?

Have Muslims (as the practitioners) destroyed their ability to discern right from wrong in their activities? Are the moral values of the Muslim so corrupted that they cannot distinguish right from wrong --- unable to challenge the inspiration of the Koran against evil deeds?

Most Respectfully,
R

It is certainly an interesting question, but I do not believe muslims are genetically pre-disposed to violence any more than any other humans, I believe it is the death cult of islam, its closed-mindedness, rigidity, propensity to lie and distort history and facts, that drives muslims to act with violence and try to conquer and destroy all others.

I believe it is akin to nazism; if you eliminate the underlying disease of islam, and "de-nazify" muslims, the violence and cultural sickness that permeates muslims' lives and existence across africa, the mideast and asia would wane significantly.

That would mean the muslims giving up islam as that is the fundamental aspect of the violence and aggressive nature. Throughout history islam has attracted the violent, psychotic, aggressive and unstable elements of humanity, and those would only be attracted to the next cult promising salvation that came along. Yes it is a disease, much like cancer, in that it spreads and takes over killing the host in the end. A parasite that does not care if the host dies because there will be a new one along any minute. Like cancer and parasites the only answer is to kill the culprit, wipe it out completely and eradicate it from society.

 

[Phoenall]

Is it the Muslim (as the practitioner) that is responsible for these radical conflicts? Or, is it Islam (as the religion practiced) that spreads the hostility and conflict? If we adopt the one perspective --- the answer becomes: The Islamic Koran does not kill people --- Muslims do! In the opposite perspective you see the defense that several prominent Palestinian leaders have adopted: "The dilemma --- Does Muslim follow what believe believes to be the devine will? Or, does the Muslims adopt a more ethical interpretation of the Koran; one less violent?

Have Muslims (as the practitioners) destroyed their ability to discern right from wrong in their activities? Are the moral values of the Muslim so corrupted that they cannot distinguish right from wrong --- unable to challenge the inspiration of the Koran against evil deeds?

Most Respectfully,
R

It is certainly an interesting question, but I do not believe muslims are genetically pre-disposed to violence any more than any other humans, I believe it is the death cult of islam, its closed-mindedness, rigidity, propensity to lie and distort history and facts, that drives muslims to act with violence and try to conquer and destroy all others.

I believe it is akin to nazism; if you eliminate the underlying disease of islam, and "de-nazify" muslims, the violence and cultural sickness that permeates muslims' lives and existence across africa, the mideast and asia would wane significantly.

Not all Muslims are world terrorists. However, the overwhelming majority of world terrorists are Muslims. Anyone disagree?

I don't , and I doubt that any muslims would.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

AND ! how many "Palestinian" women are child murderers compared to racing drivers ?

 

[theliq]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

AND ! how many "Palestinian" women are child murderers compared to racing drivers ?

Fcukin Idiot

 

[Challenger]

They came from Europe, settled an area of the Middle East then evicted the Christians and Muslims that lived in that area and took the land that the non-Jews had lived on for thousands of years through armed conflict. That is an invasion.

No they didn't

They immigrated to the region, got attacked by 5 Arab armies INCLUDING the Palestinian Arabs, and then expelled some of the Palestinians, who were trying to expel the Jews..
If a European Jewish army came to Palestine through a military offensive, THAT'S an invasion. But that's not what happened,

Is this your only answer to reality.......................

No it's my rational response when I read B.S. to call it what it is.

 

[Challenger]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

AND ! how many "Palestinian" women are child murderers compared to racing drivers ?

Oh, a much smaller proportion that female members of the IDF who man the remote controlled gun towers surrounding Gaza, Israel s Remote Occupation Women Drone Jockeys Kill Gazans Remotely Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

 

[Challenger]

Bragging that your country has killed 500 times more civillians in a fraction of the time is perhaps a true reflection of your mindset, but to normal people it's sickening. Oh, and Google Israelis celebrating the attack on Gaza, you'll find that your statement is at best naive, at worst an outright lie.

Asshole, you're as credible as putin "demanding that iran stop the hostilities in yemen."

When I see douchebags like you spend a proportionate amount of time on the syrian mass slaughter, THEN I will give a flying **** as to your opinion on Israel.

For 6,000 years jews have had to deal with scumbags like this, who are using every hilarious fig leaf and sophistry (in the current days, its under the "human rights" banner) to attack them. I'll give the jews credit, between the 5th columnist scumbags (liberal jews in the disapora who voted for obama), dung like this poster, clearly an anti-semite masquerading as a "human rights" supporter, and the 500 million arab muslims who try every day to murder them, they really do have their hands full. Amazing how they manage...

Like all neo Marxists the only people allowed human rights are muslims, criminals and neo Marxists. Anyone else is not worthy of them

 

[Challenger]

It is the title of a tribal leader, something like a "chief", "sir" or in some cases like "lord". There are hundreds of sheiks around today through the region.
Does not make him a king of palestine it just makes him leader of the sanjuk. They collect the taxes of the area and get a percentage before giving the taxes to the Ottoman. It is bit like being the duke of cambridge, he gets an income from cambridge instead of being paid by the queen.

It is a feudal lord of a county, not country

Instead of understanding the system and times you (pl.) keep grasping at straws. Acre was not palestine.

The laziness of poster to not check facts before posting is shameful. It takes seconds. They would rather argue about nonsense for days than learn the facts in less than a minute.

Arabia - Arab Titles of Rank - Sheyk Sheik Emeer Emir Sultan

I don't know or remember everything or not sure how to phrase certain things, but I have an advantage to know what I am looking for. So it take others a few more seconds to check or double check before posting. It still takes less time than typing out a post or reading one.

Why should other posters do your homework for you? Think before opening your mouth. A political forum is not the place to be making up fiction......unless you're going to run for office

Stick to the way things are, not the way you want them to be

Looks like someone's upset you.

Regarding Sheikh, the literal meaning is "elder" someone whose hair has gone white. It is a title of respect and nowdays can apply to any "leader" of a family through to a tribe or settlement up to a full kingdom. The clue was in the title, i.e. "Sheikh of all Galilee" meant ruler of All Galilee. It was for a time apparently reserved strictly for royalty in the Arabian Peninsula, but to be fair I'm not sure how strict the Saudi family are about that now. There has never been any feudal connotation to the title and the leader of a Sanjak was a Bey not a Sheikh. You seem to be confusing Arab titles with Turkish ones.

But still no mention of Palestine by name

I am perfectly sane, unlike yourself. Anyone who supports terrorists are just as crazy as they are. That is the bottom line. If you support the use of terrorist tactics to accomplish a goal, then you are just as insane as the terrorist.

But but haven't you heard the news? You see, the noble peace loving, life loving Palestinians of Hamas & the PA are not terrorists, they're "freedom fighters." It's called Palestinian mentality. Heh Heh!

No, it's called rational human behaviour when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and brutality on a daily basis. It's what the Polish AK, French FFI and Maquis, Legion Belge, Czech UVOD, Danish Freedom Council, Greek Democratic National Army and ELAS & EDES and many, many more resistance organisations did during WW2. All of them were called Terrorists by the Nazis.

And once again you ignore the Jews who have faced just that from the arab muslims for the last 1400 years. So what the Israeli's are doig according to you is "rational human behaviour"

Link to what HISTORY why don't you read those books you keep linking to ?

Your unsubstantiated assertion,

...the Jews who have faced just that from the arab muslims for the last 1400 years.

I asked ror a link that substantiated it. It seems you are unable to provide such a link and instead chose to prevaricate, so we can only assume this is just another of your fantasies.

 

[Challenger]

rhodescholar, Challenger, et al,

How interesting --- that you should ask this question.

No, it's called rational human behaviour when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and ...

Is there a single minority in the entire mideast not under attack by arab muslims?

(OBSEVATION)

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Just earlier this weak, I had coffee with a few friends, discussing the issues of the world, and a very similar question emerged.
Is it more accurate to say radical Muslims (relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the Quran) or should it be radical Islam (Islam is a monotheistic religion (believe to be revelations from God, as articulated by the 7th Century prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the Koran)?

(COMMENT)

First, on the question of rational behaviors --- a series of decision-making processes that are based on making choices that result in the most optimal level of benefit or utility for the decision makers. In this case, the Arabs of Palestine have (for nearly a century) consistently made decisions and acted upon them with less than desirable consequences. The decision made by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have resulted in outcomes that have not been the most optimal or beneficial to the greater Palestinian constituency; either politically, economically and culturally. So I think that applying the concepts of rational behavior to the HoAP which Jihadist activity and asymmetric warfare against the territorial integrity and political independence of the UN recognized State of Israel, is inconsistent with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for the general constituency and the central theme behind Rational Behavior.

When one looks at the Muslim (as the practitioner) or Islam (as the religion practiced) relative to the number of number and magnitude of the world wide conflicts in the last five years (since 2011), one notices a distinct common thread. But the question needs to be asked more bluntly:

1. Afghanistan Extreme radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups (Taliban, Islamic fundamentalist political movement )
2. Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic, Muslims
3. Cote d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christians
4. Cyprus Christians & Muslims
5. East Timor Christians & Muslims
6. Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
7. Kashmir Hindus and Muslims
8. Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
9. Kurdistan Christians, Muslims Assaults on Christians
10. Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
11. Middle East Israel vs Palestinian Jihadist
12. Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
13. Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
14. Philippines Christians & Muslims
15. Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims.
16. Serbia, province of Vojvodina Serbian Orthodox & Roman Catholics, Muslims
17. Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus Tamils, Muslims
18. Thailand: Pattani province: Buddists and Muslims
19. Bangladesh: Muslim-Hindu (Bengalis) and Buddists (Chakmas)
20. Tajikistan: intra-Islamic conflict
21. Islamic State conflicts (Syria, Iraq)​

Is it the Muslim (as the practitioner) that is responsible for these radical conflicts? Or, is it Islam (as the religion practiced) that spreads the hostility and conflict? If we adopt the one perspective --- the answer becomes: The Islamic Koran does not kill people --- Muslims do! In the opposite perspective you see the defense that several prominent Palestinian leaders have adopted: "The dilemma --- Does Muslim follow what believe believes to be the devine will? Or, does the Muslims adopt a more ethical interpretation of the Koran; one less violent?

Have Muslims (as the practitioners) destroyed their ability to discern right from wrong in their activities? Are the moral values of the Muslim so corrupted that they cannot distinguish right from wrong --- unable to challenge the inspiration of the Koran against evil deeds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Nevertheless, it remains a rational response when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and brutality on a daily basis. It's what the Polish AK, French FFI and Maquis, Legion Belge, Czech UVOD, Danish Freedom Council, Greek Democratic National Army and ELAS & EDES and many, many more resistance organisations did during WW2. All of them were called Terrorists by the Nazis. The right to resist, as you well know, is enshrined in International Law included in several UN resolutions on the subject, i.e.

"2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle" A RES 37 43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

AND ! how many "Palestinian" women are child murderers compared to racing drivers ?

Fcukin Idiot

We know you are you prove it every day

 

[Phoenall]

They came from Europe, settled an area of the Middle East then evicted the Christians and Muslims that lived in that area and took the land that the non-Jews had lived on for thousands of years through armed conflict. That is an invasion.

No they didn't

They immigrated to the region, got attacked by 5 Arab armies INCLUDING the Palestinian Arabs, and then expelled some of the Palestinians, who were trying to expel the Jews..
If a European Jewish army came to Palestine through a military offensive, THAT'S an invasion. But that's not what happened,

Is this your only answer to reality.......................

No it's my rational response when I read B.S. to call it what it is.

How can you be rational when you support two ideologies that accept mass murder of innocents to spread their filth around the world. Both Marxism and islam have the worst track records for mass murder, genocides and ethnic cleansing.

Don't forget that it is only your opinion and nothing else that says reality and truth are bullshit, to the enlightened non brainwashed it is truth and reality

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Betty Saadeh

AND ! how many "Palestinian" women are child murderers compared to racing drivers ?

Oh, a much smaller proportion that female members of the IDF who man the remote controlled gun towers surrounding Gaza, Israel s Remote Occupation Women Drone Jockeys Kill Gazans Remotely Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Big difference is the Israeli female IDF are defending their country and people from attack, the "Palestinian" women are just psychopathic brainwashed baby killers acting on the commands of their religion

 

[Phoenall]

Bragging that your country has killed 500 times more civillians in a fraction of the time is perhaps a true reflection of your mindset, but to normal people it's sickening. Oh, and Google Israelis celebrating the attack on Gaza, you'll find that your statement is at best naive, at worst an outright lie.

Asshole, you're as credible as putin "demanding that iran stop the hostilities in yemen."

When I see douchebags like you spend a proportionate amount of time on the syrian mass slaughter, THEN I will give a flying **** as to your opinion on Israel.

For 6,000 years jews have had to deal with scumbags like this, who are using every hilarious fig leaf and sophistry (in the current days, its under the "human rights" banner) to attack them. I'll give the jews credit, between the 5th columnist scumbags (liberal jews in the disapora who voted for obama), dung like this poster, clearly an anti-semite masquerading as a "human rights" supporter, and the 500 million arab muslims who try every day to murder them, they really do have their hands full. Amazing how they manage...

Like all neo Marxists the only people allowed human rights are muslims, criminals and neo Marxists. Anyone else is not worthy of them

No a fact just look at Britain when it was under neo Marxist rule. The muslims were encouraged to migrate and rape underage schoolgirls and to be protected under human rights laws. The underage schoolgirls and their parents were threatened with arrest, and the parents were threatened with court orders to remove their other children. Or did you want that piece of information to be forgotten, if you want proof look at Rotherham and what the public are demanding be done to council officials, M.P's and police involved in the case. 95 men arrested and charged with various child sex offences

 

[Phoenall]

Looks like someone's upset you.

Regarding Sheikh, the literal meaning is "elder" someone whose hair has gone white. It is a title of respect and nowdays can apply to any "leader" of a family through to a tribe or settlement up to a full kingdom. The clue was in the title, i.e. "Sheikh of all Galilee" meant ruler of All Galilee. It was for a time apparently reserved strictly for royalty in the Arabian Peninsula, but to be fair I'm not sure how strict the Saudi family are about that now. There has never been any feudal connotation to the title and the leader of a Sanjak was a Bey not a Sheikh. You seem to be confusing Arab titles with Turkish ones.

But still no mention of Palestine by name

But but haven't you heard the news? You see, the noble peace loving, life loving Palestinians of Hamas & the PA are not terrorists, they're "freedom fighters." It's called Palestinian mentality. Heh Heh!

No, it's called rational human behaviour when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and brutality on a daily basis. It's what the Polish AK, French FFI and Maquis, Legion Belge, Czech UVOD, Danish Freedom Council, Greek Democratic National Army and ELAS & EDES and many, many more resistance organisations did during WW2. All of them were called Terrorists by the Nazis.

And once again you ignore the Jews who have faced just that from the arab muslims for the last 1400 years. So what the Israeli's are doig according to you is "rational human behaviour"

Link to what HISTORY why don't you read those books you keep linking to ?

Your unsubstantiated assertion,

...the Jews who have faced just that from the arab muslims for the last 1400 years.

I asked ror a link that substantiated it. It seems you are unable to provide such a link and instead chose to prevaricate, so we can only assume this is just another of your fantasies.

I gave you the4 same link you have peddled for the last week or so, whats wrong don't you like seeing how stupid you are, look at amazon for the books dealing with muslim atrocities and abuse on the Jews since 635 C.E.

 

[Phoenall]

rhodescholar, Challenger, et al,

How interesting --- that you should ask this question.

No, it's called rational human behaviour when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and ...

Is there a single minority in the entire mideast not under attack by arab muslims?

(OBSEVATION)

View attachment 38669
​

Just earlier this weak, I had coffee with a few friends, discussing the issues of the world, and a very similar question emerged.
Is it more accurate to say radical Muslims (relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the Quran) or should it be radical Islam (Islam is a monotheistic religion (believe to be revelations from God, as articulated by the 7th Century prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the Koran)?

(COMMENT)

First, on the question of rational behaviors --- a series of decision-making processes that are based on making choices that result in the most optimal level of benefit or utility for the decision makers. In this case, the Arabs of Palestine have (for nearly a century) consistently made decisions and acted upon them with less than desirable consequences. The decision made by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have resulted in outcomes that have not been the most optimal or beneficial to the greater Palestinian constituency; either politically, economically and culturally. So I think that applying the concepts of rational behavior to the HoAP which Jihadist activity and asymmetric warfare against the territorial integrity and political independence of the UN recognized State of Israel, is inconsistent with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for the general constituency and the central theme behind Rational Behavior.

When one looks at the Muslim (as the practitioner) or Islam (as the religion practiced) relative to the number of number and magnitude of the world wide conflicts in the last five years (since 2011), one notices a distinct common thread. But the question needs to be asked more bluntly:

1. Afghanistan Extreme radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups (Taliban, Islamic fundamentalist political movement )
2. Bosnia Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic, Muslims
3. Cote d'Ivoire Muslims, Indigenous, Christians
4. Cyprus Christians & Muslims
5. East Timor Christians & Muslims
6. Indonesia, province of Ambon Christians & Muslims
7. Kashmir Hindus and Muslims
8. Kosovo Serbian Orthodox Christians, Muslims
9. Kurdistan Christians, Muslims Assaults on Christians
10. Macedonia Macedonian Orthodox Christians & Muslims
11. Middle East Israel vs Palestinian Jihadist
12. Nigeria Christians, Animists, & Muslims
13. Pakistan Suni & Shi'ite Muslims
14. Philippines Christians & Muslims
15. Chechnya Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims.
16. Serbia, province of Vojvodina Serbian Orthodox & Roman Catholics, Muslims
17. Sri Lanka Buddhists & Hindus Tamils, Muslims
18. Thailand: Pattani province: Buddists and Muslims
19. Bangladesh: Muslim-Hindu (Bengalis) and Buddists (Chakmas)
20. Tajikistan: intra-Islamic conflict
21. Islamic State conflicts (Syria, Iraq)​

Is it the Muslim (as the practitioner) that is responsible for these radical conflicts? Or, is it Islam (as the religion practiced) that spreads the hostility and conflict? If we adopt the one perspective --- the answer becomes: The Islamic Koran does not kill people --- Muslims do! In the opposite perspective you see the defense that several prominent Palestinian leaders have adopted: "The dilemma --- Does Muslim follow what believe believes to be the devine will? Or, does the Muslims adopt a more ethical interpretation of the Koran; one less violent?

Have Muslims (as the practitioners) destroyed their ability to discern right from wrong in their activities? Are the moral values of the Muslim so corrupted that they cannot distinguish right from wrong --- unable to challenge the inspiration of the Koran against evil deeds?

Most Respectfully,
R

Nevertheless, it remains a rational response when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and brutality on a daily basis. It's what the Polish AK, French FFI and Maquis, Legion Belge, Czech UVOD, Danish Freedom Council, Greek Democratic National Army and ELAS & EDES and many, many more resistance organisations did during WW2. All of them were called Terrorists by the Nazis. The right to resist, as you well know, is enshrined in International Law included in several UN resolutions on the subject, i.e.

"2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from
colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means,
including armed struggle" A RES 37 43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

That does not include firing illegal weapons at children and unarmed civilians, nor does it include mining Israeli schools to mass murder thousands of innocent children. And only a lunatic would defend such an action...................

 

[Mindful]

 

[Mindful]

Can any of our resident geniuses answer ONE of these questions:

A Japanese View of the Palestinians if only our Israeli government had the guts to ask these simple questions JEWSNEWS

 

[rhodescholar]

Your unsubstantiated assertion,

...the Jews who have faced just that from the arab muslims for the last 1400 years.

I asked ror a link that substantiated it. It seems you are unable to provide such a link and instead chose to prevaricate, so we can only assume this is just another of your fantasies.

Here you go scumbag. Too bad we can't give you a four year college degree on mideast history in a website link, but then again, lazy, unintelligent trash like you was unlikely to ever see the inside of a college classroom.

Minorities - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

Funny how assholes like this whine how "bad" the pals in the west bank have it, yet claim that the dhimmis of the muslim world for 1,400 years had it so "great." The lies and hypocrisy that come from the arab muslim apologists are ******* disgusting, as most of them are.

 

[rhodescholar]

Nevertheless, it remains a rational response when threatened with occupation, oppression, humiliation and brutality on a daily basis.

The paid liar continues onward...yes, the whole ******* planet is "occupying" muslims...especially those like the yazidis and coptics, who are being ethnically cleansed out of the mideast, or in 100 other places where muslims are rampaging through non-muslim areas. Total propagandizing ******* idiot.

It's what the Polish AK, French FFI and Maquis, Legion Belge, Czech UVOD, Danish Freedom Council, Greek Democratic National Army and ELAS & EDES and many, many more resistance organisations did during WW2. All of them were called Terrorists by the Nazis.

Now the idiot asshole is comparing the West and civilized world to the nazis, yeah, you're credible....NOT.

The right to resist, as you well know, is enshrined in International Law

****, when ISIS beheads women and children, or hamas suicide bombs pizza parlors, who are they "resisting," you ******* lowlife?

Fortunately, the world has just about exhausted its patience for mindless, endless terrorism and war conducted under the falsehoods and lies used by the terrorists and their scumbag apologists like yourself, such as "resistance."

It is a type of resistance alright; a resistance to facts, to rational, acceptable behavior, to modernization and resolution of real and imagined grievances through non-violent means.