Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

Who are the Pal'istanians?

Paid stooges for the Shia Islamists.

Iran pledges thousands of dollars for
Palestinian terrorists

Iran pledges thousands of dollars for Palestinian terrorists


Tehran, flush with cash from sanctions relief, will give slain attackers’ families $7,000, envoy says, and $30,000 to terrorists’ families whose homes Israel demolishes.



A rather odd dynamic. Across the Islamist Middle East, the two largest franchises of the cult that Muhammud (swish) invented are usually committing islamicide against each other.

For those not familiar with islamo-history, the Sunni and Shia despise each other. It's a blood feud that dates back to ancient islamo-times and tales in connection with leadership of the islamo-cult after the death of Muhammud (swish).

While the two competing versions of Islamic terrorist cults will happily slaughter each other by asplodin' its competing adherents in bright orange fireballs of explosive charges, the Shia cultists have somehow convinced the Sunni to become paid "Dead Man Walkin'" in the service of the competing tribe.

 

[Challenger]

The Times of Israel says so, so it must be true. Hamas are Sunnis aren't they?

 

[Hollie]

The Times of Israel says so, so it must be true. Hamas are Sunnis aren't they?

You're just desperate for my attention. That's why you spammed the thread instead of offering a relevant comment?

 

[Hollie]

Who are the Pal'istanians?

A diseased collection of retrogrades pushing another generation of islamo-bots on humanity.

 

[montelatici]

Who are the Palestinians? The people the Jewish children are taught to hate by retrograde ZioNazi racists.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Well, I'm not actually prepared to accept this.

√ West Bank Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 45,303
• Female 62,007
​

√ Gaza Strip Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 20,667
• Female 29,155
​

Not all Arab Palestinians represented in these numbers are actually UNRWA eligible; nor are they subject to the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.
​

While the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) (dated June 2006 and amendments issued thereto ) throws in the qualifying limited factor of "descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children, are eligible to register for UNRWA services;" the UN system describes people who were "internally displaced" as --- internally displaced persons (IDPs) who are forced to flee their homes but remain within the territory of their own country. (See A/58/393 26 September 2003) Whereas the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article 1. The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion. (See the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the UN General Assembly)

REMEMBERING: The Convention also does not apply to those persons called refugees under the protection or assistance UNRWA. Nor does the Convention apply to those refugees who have a status equivalent to nationals in their country of asylum.
​

The 70,000 that are still living never lived in Israel either. But, the offspring of the males and their descendants who lived in Palestine when the Hostile Jewish European Colonists (HJEC) committed the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide, have the right to return to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors.

(COMMENT)

Currently, there is a legitimate argument between factions of the Arab Palestinians as to the territorial meaning of the term --- or place called Palestine. People like our friend P F Tinmore, those under the solemn oath issued by the 1948 Arab Higher Committee, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and even some elements within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) claim that the entire expanse of the territory once subject to the administration of the 1922 Mandate (less the Hashemite Kingdom) is Palestine and Arab Territory. In fact the various factions cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• IF we use the criteria of our friend P F Tinmore and these various factions --- THEN --- the Palestinians are not really refugees at all, but misidentified IDPs.
​

What does this mean. In the one case Article 13 of the UDHR (often cited as the source of the "Right of Return), --- “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country” --- is not only nonbinding, but not relevant or applicable to IDPs --- since by their standard, they never left "their country." (This has to do with the inability of the Arab Palestinian to come together in common cause and understanding.) The status of IDPs is the conditions being described by P F Tinmore and associates. But, there is no real single and unified Palestinian conception of what the "right of return" (RoR) actually means in practical terms and what it would look like if implemented.

In any event, the RoR is not tied to the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide. (This is too far outside the intent here; but I would be happy to discuss Arab Palestinian accusations.) The belief that some fraction of Arab Palestinians have the RoR --- to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors, is rather fanciful. The concept of "land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors" is a very slippery slope for the Arab Palestinians to assume. It is just as applicable to the Israelis as it would be to the Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

This declaration by a true "Palestinian" should have some significance for a sincerely neutral observer. Indeed, there is no such a thing like a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological find nor coinage. The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history. They have their own Arab states from where they came into the Land of Israel about one century ago to contrast the Jewish immigration. That is the historical truth. They were Jordanians (another recent British invention, as there has never been any people known as "Jordanians"), and after the Six-Day War in which Israel utterly defeated the coalition of nine Arab states and took legitimate possession of Judea and Samaria, the Arab dwellers in those regions underwent a kind of anthropological miracle and discovered that they were Palestinians - something they did not know the day before. Of course, these people having a new identity had to build themselves a history, namely, had to steal some others' history, and the only way that the victims of the theft would not complain is if those victims do no longer exist. Therefore, the Palestinian leaders claimed two contradictory lineages from ancient peoples that inhabited in the Land of Israel: the Canaanites and the Philistines.

 

[montelatici]

Still peddling your crap propaganda in an attempt to convince ignorant and uneducated people, that have been bombarded by Zionist propaganda from early childhood that a people don't exist. The Palestinians have existed since ancient times, that's what the inhabitants of Roman Palaestina Prima were called.

Do you think by claiming that Palestinian Muslims and Christians don't exist makes it ok to kill thousands of them, mostly women and children, at a whack as your brethren routinely do every 2 years or so?

You are a pathological liar.

Even in modern times the Christian and Muslims of Palestine considered themselves the people of Palestine.

Posted again to make it clear that you are a pathological liar and propagandist.

From the UN Archives correspondence from 1922, when the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) pleaded with the British to stop their colonization of their land by European Jews.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.​

The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.​

​

HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.

• 
  
  We would, therefore, submit the following observations:—

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

 

[Hollie]

Still peddling your crap propaganda in an attempt to convince ignorant and uneducated people, that have been bombarded by Zionist propaganda from early childhood that a people don't exist. The Palestinians have existed since ancient times, that's what the inhabitants of Roman Palaestina Prima were called.

Do you think by claiming that Palestinian Muslims and Christians don't exist makes it ok to kill thousands of them, mostly women and children, at a whack as your brethren routinely do every 2 years or so?

You are a pathological liar.

Even in modern times the Christian and Muslims of Palestine considered themselves the people of Palestine.

Posted again to make it clear that you are a pathological liar and propagandist.

From the UN Archives correspondence from 1922, when the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) pleaded with the British to stop their colonization of their land by European Jews.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
​

HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.

• 
  
  We would, therefore, submit the following observations:—

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

You need to peddle your islamo- agitprop elsewhere. There has not been a nation of "Palestine". There was only a geographic area loosely defined as the territory of Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Well, I'm not actually prepared to accept this.

√ West Bank Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 45,303
• Female 62,007
​

√ Gaza Strip Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 20,667
• Female 29,155
​

Not all Arab Palestinians represented in these numbers are actually UNRWA eligible; nor are they subject to the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.​

While the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) (dated June 2006 and amendments issued thereto ) throws in the qualifying limited factor of "descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children, are eligible to register for UNRWA services;" the UN system describes people who were "internally displaced" as --- internally displaced persons (IDPs) who are forced to flee their homes but remain within the territory of their own country. (See A/58/393 26 September 2003) Whereas the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article 1. The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion. (See the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the UN General Assembly)

REMEMBERING: The Convention also does not apply to those persons called refugees under the protection or assistance UNRWA. Nor does the Convention apply to those refugees who have a status equivalent to nationals in their country of asylum.
​

The 70,000 that are still living never lived in Israel either. But, the offspring of the males and their descendants who lived in Palestine when the Hostile Jewish European Colonists (HJEC) committed the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide, have the right to return to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors.

(COMMENT)

Currently, there is a legitimate argument between factions of the Arab Palestinians as to the territorial meaning of the term --- or place called Palestine. People like our friend P F Tinmore, those under the solemn oath issued by the 1948 Arab Higher Committee, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and even some elements within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) claim that the entire expanse of the territory once subject to the administration of the 1922 Mandate (less the Hashemite Kingdom) is Palestine and Arab Territory. In fact the various factions cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• IF we use the criteria of our friend P F Tinmore and these various factions --- THEN --- the Palestinians are not really refugees at all, but misidentified IDPs.
​

What does this mean. In the one case Article 13 of the UDHR (often cited as the source of the "Right of Return), --- “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country” --- is not only nonbinding, but not relevant or applicable to IDPs --- since by their standard, they never left "their country." (This has to do with the inability of the Arab Palestinian to come together in common cause and understanding.) The status of IDPs is the conditions being described by P F Tinmore and associates. But, there is no real single and unified Palestinian conception of what the "right of return" (RoR) actually means in practical terms and what it would look like if implemented.

In any event, the RoR is not tied to the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide. (This is too far outside the intent here; but I would be happy to discuss Arab Palestinian accusations.) The belief that some fraction of Arab Palestinians have the RoR --- to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors, is rather fanciful. The concept of "land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors" is a very slippery slope for the Arab Palestinians to assume. It is just as applicable to the Israelis as it would be to the Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is extraordinary that you would try to imply that the claims of Muslims and Christians, most of whom havinghave the keys to their homes and deeds to their land and property are fanciful. There is also no slippery slope with respect to the Muslims and Christians of Palestine. Their land and homes were stolen by European colonists. Full stop. There is no question about that. You propagandizing does not change the basic fact. That the homes and lands of the Muslims and Christians homes and land were "redeemed" by the Jewish National Fund is what is fanciful.

What is often forgotten by rabid Christian Zionists is that almost half of the homes and land was stolen by the Jews was from Christians, they being the largest land owners per capita.

As far as eligibility for refugee status by UNRWA. It is clear and simple.


"1. Persons who meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria

These are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict. Palestine Refugees, and descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children, are eligible to register for UNRWA services. The Agency accepts new applications from persons who wish to be registered as Palestine Refugees. Once they are registered with UNRWA, persons in this category are referred to as Registered Refugees or as Registered Palestine Refugees."

http://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/ceri_24_may_2006_final.pdf

 

[ForeverYoung436]

montelatici, et al,

Well, I'm not actually prepared to accept this.

√ West Bank Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 45,303
• Female 62,007
​

√ Gaza Strip Age structure (2015 estimate):

• Male 20,667
• Female 29,155
​

Not all Arab Palestinians represented in these numbers are actually UNRWA eligible; nor are they subject to the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.​

While the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) (dated June 2006 and amendments issued thereto ) throws in the qualifying limited factor of "descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children, are eligible to register for UNRWA services;" the UN system describes people who were "internally displaced" as --- internally displaced persons (IDPs) who are forced to flee their homes but remain within the territory of their own country. (See A/58/393 26 September 2003) Whereas the 1951 Convention endorses a single definition of the term “refugee” in Article 1. The emphasis of this definition is on the protection of persons from political or other forms of persecution. A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion. (See the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the UN General Assembly)

REMEMBERING: The Convention also does not apply to those persons called refugees under the protection or assistance UNRWA. Nor does the Convention apply to those refugees who have a status equivalent to nationals in their country of asylum.
​

The 70,000 that are still living never lived in Israel either. But, the offspring of the males and their descendants who lived in Palestine when the Hostile Jewish European Colonists (HJEC) committed the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide, have the right to return to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors.

(COMMENT)

Currently, there is a legitimate argument between factions of the Arab Palestinians as to the territorial meaning of the term --- or place called Palestine. People like our friend P F Tinmore, those under the solemn oath issued by the 1948 Arab Higher Committee, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and even some elements within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) claim that the entire expanse of the territory once subject to the administration of the 1922 Mandate (less the Hashemite Kingdom) is Palestine and Arab Territory. In fact the various factions cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• IF we use the criteria of our friend P F Tinmore and these various factions --- THEN --- the Palestinians are not really refugees at all, but misidentified IDPs.
​

What does this mean. In the one case Article 13 of the UDHR (often cited as the source of the "Right of Return), --- “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country” --- is not only nonbinding, but not relevant or applicable to IDPs --- since by their standard, they never left "their country." (This has to do with the inability of the Arab Palestinian to come together in common cause and understanding.) The status of IDPs is the conditions being described by P F Tinmore and associates. But, there is no real single and unified Palestinian conception of what the "right of return" (RoR) actually means in practical terms and what it would look like if implemented.

In any event, the RoR is not tied to the crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide. (This is too far outside the intent here; but I would be happy to discuss Arab Palestinian accusations.) The belief that some fraction of Arab Palestinians have the RoR --- to the land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors, is rather fanciful. The concept of "land and homes that were stolen from their ancestors" is a very slippery slope for the Arab Palestinians to assume. It is just as applicable to the Israelis as it would be to the Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is extraordinary that you would try to imply that the claims of Muslims and Christians, most of whom havinghave the keys to their homes and deeds to their land and property are fanciful. There is also no slippery slope with respect to the Muslims and Christians of Palestine. Their land and homes were stolen by European colonists. Full stop. There is no question about that. You propagandizing does not change the basic fact. That the homes and lands of the Muslims and Christians homes and land were "redeemed" by the Jewish National Fund is what is fanciful.

What is often forgotten by rabid Christian Zionists is that almost half of the homes and land was stolen by the Jews was from Christians, they being the largest land owners per capita.

As far as eligibility for refugee status by UNRWA. It is clear and simple.


"1. Persons who meet UNRWA’s Palestine Refugee criteria

These are persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict. Palestine Refugees, and descendants of Palestine refugee males, including legally adopted children, are eligible to register for UNRWA services. The Agency accepts new applications from persons who wish to be registered as Palestine Refugees. Once they are registered with UNRWA, persons in this category are referred to as Registered Refugees or as Registered Palestine Refugees."

http://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/ceri_24_may_2006_final.pdf

So recent Arab immigrants, who only lived in "Palestine" for a paltry 2 years, qualify as refugees. How comic!

 

[RoccoR]

ForeverYoung436, montelatici, et al,

One More Time:

• CERI is NOT a law. It is a fraud perpetrated on the donors to skim money.
• CERI is NOT a law. It is a registration instruction (how to) on applying for "SERVICES."

Registration in CERI does not make you a "refugee" by law. Why, because it is not law. Nowhere in the entire world are any of the other of the 40 Million Refugees categorized or defined in the same manner.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

Still peddling your crap propaganda in an attempt to convince ignorant and uneducated people, that have been bombarded by Zionist propaganda from early childhood that a people don't exist. The Palestinians have existed since ancient times, that's what the inhabitants of Roman Palaestina Prima were called.

Do you think by claiming that Palestinian Muslims and Christians don't exist makes it ok to kill thousands of them, mostly women and children, at a whack as your brethren routinely do every 2 years or so?

You are a pathological liar.

Even in modern times the Christian and Muslims of Palestine considered themselves the people of Palestine.

Posted again to make it clear that you are a pathological liar and propagandist.

From the UN Archives correspondence from 1922, when the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) pleaded with the British to stop their colonization of their land by European Jews.

"PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.


No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
​

HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.

• 
  
  We would, therefore, submit the following observations:—

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.
If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

And yet for the last 700 years, the Ottomans who ruled the land and were Muslims themselves, did not recognize a Palestine or Palestinian people. Go figure.

 

[Phoenall]

Okay. So I listened to the first three minutes which is basically, "yes, they have the right to resist" and it lists a whole pile of specific things they have a right to resist.

Here's the thing. If Palestinians have the right to resist the negation of their self-determination SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist the negation of their self-determination. If the Palestinians have the right to live free from dominion of another peoples SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to live free from dominion of another peoples. If the Palestinians have the right to resist people who deny them their fundamental human rights SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist people who deny them their fundamental human rights. If the Palestinians have the right to resist those people who try to harm them or kill them SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist those people who try to harm them or kill them. If the Palestinians have the right to resist those people who are trying to ethnically cleanse them SO TOO the Jewish people have a right to resist those people who are trying to ethnically cleanse them (and to put right the wrongs of those who have successfully ethnically cleansed them in the past). If the Palestinians have the right to resist inhumane treatment and collective punishment SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist inhumane treatment and collective punishment. SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist the theft of their land, or their natural resources and their political imprisonment. SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist torture and assassination and assassination attempts. If the Palestinians have the right to secure their own freedom SO TOO do the Jewish people. If the Palestinians have the right to live free from foreign domination and alien subjugation SO TOO do the Jewish people.

The question you need to ask is who has stopped the Palestinians from exercising their free determination and how was this done. The silence will be deafening and the replies non existent

Good question. The Palestinians declared independence in 1948. Who is in there with guns preventing that?

The Palestinians did no such thing, that was the Egyptians who hoped to steal some Of Israel just like Jordan had done. Once the Jews had declared then the land was no longer free for everyone

 

[Phoenall]

Okay. So I listened to the first three minutes which is basically, "yes, they have the right to resist" and it lists a whole pile of specific things they have a right to resist.

Here's the thing. If Palestinians have the right to resist the negation of their self-determination SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist the negation of their self-determination. If the Palestinians have the right to live free from dominion of another peoples SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to live free from dominion of another peoples. If the Palestinians have the right to resist people who deny them their fundamental human rights SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist people who deny them their fundamental human rights. If the Palestinians have the right to resist those people who try to harm them or kill them SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist those people who try to harm them or kill them. If the Palestinians have the right to resist those people who are trying to ethnically cleanse them SO TOO the Jewish people have a right to resist those people who are trying to ethnically cleanse them (and to put right the wrongs of those who have successfully ethnically cleansed them in the past). If the Palestinians have the right to resist inhumane treatment and collective punishment SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist inhumane treatment and collective punishment. SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist the theft of their land, or their natural resources and their political imprisonment. SO TOO the Jewish people have the right to resist torture and assassination and assassination attempts. If the Palestinians have the right to secure their own freedom SO TOO do the Jewish people. If the Palestinians have the right to live free from foreign domination and alien subjugation SO TOO do the Jewish people.

The question you need to ask is who has stopped the Palestinians from exercising their free determination and how was this done. The silence will be deafening and the replies non existent

Good question. The Palestinians declared independence in 1948. Who is in there with guns preventing that?

You've fallen down and bumped your head again, right?

The legal position of Palestine under international law was that it was a provisionally independent State receiving administrative assistance and advice from the Mandatory. The sovereignty was vested in the people of Palestine but it was a dormant sovereignty exercised on behalf of the people of Palestine by the Mandatory power.

The British administration set up the Government of Palestine. Palestine had its own fixed boundaries, its own nationality and its own currency. The Government of Palestine entered into hundreds of agreements on behalf of the people of Palestine with various Mandated territories or sovereign governments.

Article 28 of the Mandate contemplated that at the termination of the Mandate, the territory of Palestine would pass to the control of "the Government of Palestine." The termination of the Mandate on the 15th day of May, 1948, fully vested sovereignty over Palestine in the inhabitants of the country. Palestine became a sovereign, independent nation in fulfillment of Paragraph 4 of Article XXII of the Covenant of the League of Nations, in accordance with the terms of the Mandate, the British White Paper of 1922, the British White Paper of 1939 and according to the inalienable rights of the people of Palestine to self-determination and independence.

Chapter : Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

WRONG as there was no state of Palestine in existence until 1988. Time for the UN to declare the statute of limitations is up on Palestine and the nation dissolved.


And why do you always go for the islamonazi propaganda sites that are proven to be a pack of lies every time.



The mandate of Palestine did not terminate it changed hands to the UN and is still in existence




For those interested this link is to the site of Issa Nakhleh the
Senior Advisor UN Palestinian Delegation
The Arab Higher Committee for Palestine
(December 14, 1915 — March 29, 2003)

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rafeef Ziadah

Once more islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Amin Odeh

And yet more islamonazi propaganda that only islamonazi goons believe

 

[Phoenall]

The legal position of Palestine under international law was that it was a provisionally independent State receiving administrative assistance and advice from the Mandatory. The sovereignty was vested in the people of Palestine but it was a dormant sovereignty exercised on behalf of the people of Palestine by the Mandatory power.

The British administration set up the Government of Palestine. Palestine had its own fixed boundaries, its own nationality and its own currency. The Government of Palestine entered into hundreds of agreements on behalf of the people of Palestine with various Mandated territories or sovereign governments.

Article 28 of the Mandate contemplated that at the termination of the Mandate, the territory of Palestine would pass to the control of "the Government of Palestine." The termination of the Mandate on the 15th day of May, 1948, fully vested sovereignty over Palestine in the inhabitants of the country. Palestine became a sovereign, independent nation in fulfillment of Paragraph 4 of Article XXII of the Covenant of the League of Nations, in accordance with the terms of the Mandate, the British White Paper of 1922, the British White Paper of 1939 and according to the inalienable rights of the people of Palestine to self-determination and independence.

Chapter : Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

Except you forgot one very important part The sovereignty was vested in the people of Palestine for the purpose of re-constituting the Jewish National Homeland.

That conflicts with "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."? The religious and civil rights of the Christians and Muslims were certainly prejudiced.

WRONG AGAIN freddy as it was in line with just that in 1923. Stop trying to use international laws of 1960 for what happened in 1923.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

NARD Band
Maysa Daw - Vocal
Raymond Haddad - Bass,music &lyrics
Rami Nakhlee - Drums
Ehab Drubi - Guitar

And yet more islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

"by Aubra Salt - The Oregon Herald Saturday October 4, 2014 12:55 PM

More Than 1500 Palestinian Children Murdered By Israel



Wonder why I'm publishing this story? You say it's too old? I don't think so. I may side with the Israel government generally, but what they did is murder and should be held totally responsible. We should accept no excuses for such slaughter.

The controlled mass media has been overwhelming in its coverage of the three murdered Israeli teens—but has completely suppressed the names and identities of the in excess of 1,500 Palestinian teens who have been murdered by Israeli state-sponsored terrorism since the year 2000."

Review: More Than 1500 Palestinian Children Murdered By Israel

And the source for your link is the same old islamonazi propaganda sites used all the time. Now who has declared officially that Israel has murdered children, other than lying islamonazi propagandists