Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: National Rights?
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BLUF: When you say → the Denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights! Are we talking about domestic law? (National Law 'vs' International Law). A/RES/37/43 of 3 December 1982 Universal Realization of the Right of Peoples to Self-Determination is NOT Binding Law. Article 2(7) of the UN Charter prohibits the United Nations from intervening in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; with the exception of measures under Chapter VII.
Article 3 - International BoundaryPeace is hereby established between the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel
Boundary is Delimited ANNEX 1(a)
You have to follow the Jordan-Israel International Boundary closely. THEN tell me where the State of Palestine is?
Israel is outside interference and alien domination,
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Point #1: You did not show the universally accepted definition of " inalienable national rights."

Point #2: A/RES/37/43 of 3 December 1982 Universal Realization of the Right of Peoples to Self-Determination was adopted in late 1982.
No person shall be criminally responsible under this Statute for conduct prior to the entry into force of the Statute. (Non-retroactivity Article 24 • pg 14 • Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court • ratione personae)

Point #3: Are you claiming that the Palestinian Government
(such that it is) Governments does not recognize the Right to Self-Determination and Independence of all peoples in Israel to establish Israel? IF so, THEN I agree! ... The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) → from the very time of the USCOP recommendation adopted by the UN → has attempted to override the Independence through the Right of Self-Determination by the National Council for the Jewish State (elected by the Jewish body in the former Mandate for Palestine). So, yes I agree, the HoAP is NOT following the concept of self-determination.

Point #4: The Arab Palestinians are NOT under Israeli colonial and foreign domination and Israeli subjugation. The Arab Palestinians rejected participation in the establishment of self-governing institutions.
◈ Between 1918 and 1920, the Territory was under Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA).​
◈ Between 1920 and 1948, the Territory was under the Administration of the Mandate for Palestine.​
◈ Between 1949 and 1967, the territory, less the Gaza Strip, West Bank, most of Jerusalem, and Jordan, were under the effective control or sovereignty of members of the Arab League.​
◈ Between August 1988 and the present, the HM King of Jordan abandons all sovereignty over the West Bank territory; relinquishing it into the effective control of the Israelis. No Arab Palestinian government established.​
Point #5: A/RES/37/43 does not define the scope and nature of the alleged expansionist activity.

Point #6: The State of Israel has not in the past and does not now, have a specific policy or program that directs attacks by bombardment which treats (as a single military objective) a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects are prohibited. (Rule 13. Area Bombardment)
Rule 23. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.​
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.​
Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.​
The HoAP, as a consistent tactic, uses densely populated areas and failed to remove civilian persons and objects under its control, from rocket and mortar launch sites, as well a munitions storage, and other high-value targets, as a means to shield offensive operations against Israeli sovereign territory.​

It is my layman's opinion that the International Criminal Court (ICC), both the Prosecutor's Office and ICC-01/18-143 05 February 2021 | Pre-Trial Chamber I | Decision
that contributes (by means of legal support and official endorsement) to the furtherance and encouragement of one or more offenses as set forth and elaborated within the 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts by actively assisting (though malfeasance) 'Hamas’, including ‘Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem' (Item 9, Group II, List of persons, groups, and entities, 8 January 2019, COUNCIL DECISION (CFSP) 2019/25).

The ICC, with the aim of furthering the criminal activity or criminal purpose of the group, where such activity or purpose involves the commission of an offense as set forth 19 international legal instruments with emphasis on:

1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
1997 International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
1979 International Convention against the Taking of Hostages
1949 Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention • Offenses Solely Intended to Harm the Occupying Power

The Prosecutor's Office and the Pre-Trial Chamber have brought induced a lack of confidence in the court, a level of politicization that brings with it a measure of discredit and distrust in the court.

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R
Whose post are you responding to?
 

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The inalienable Rights of the Arab Palestinians DO NOT NEGATE the inalienable Rights of the Israels.
Links?

Who said "These rights are reserved for the people without exception."?

On what basis do you discriminate against Jews?

Who said "These rights are reserved for the people without exception."?
International law.

I know, Israel does not give a rat's behind about international law.
And yet you're the one here suggesting it shouldn't be upheld equally.

What "international law" allows you to discriminate against Jews?
And yet you're the one here suggesting it shouldn't be upheld equally.
No I don't.
Let's see...
you've posted this,
does it apply to Jews "without exception"?

These are the inalienable rights of all peoples inside their defined territory.
1) The right to self determination without external interference.
2) The right to independence and sovereignty.
3) The right to territorial integrity.
None of these allow any foreign intervention. These rights are reserved for the people without exception.
You are missing the point.
See, once asked in a straightforward manner,
you can't even bring yourself to say that Jews have the same rights.
That's exactly the point, the only consistent point in all you've been posting so far.

So why do you insist Jews are excluded from those "inalienable rights to all peoples"?
You need to reread what I posted.
All I see are contradictions upon contradictions,
and your inability to defend anything because of this inconsistency in your argument.

Wanna try another example?
Let's see, according to YOUR definition:

Sovereignty can only be applied by the sovereign nationals.
What is legitimate about Yasser Arafat's claim to sovereignty?

Let's see if I can make this simple enough that even you can understand it.

"inalienable rights to all peoples" Who are the Peoples? Peoples are the nationals of defined territories. The French are a people because they are the nationals of France. The British are a people because they are the nationals of Britain. The Mexicans are a people because they are the nationals of Mexico, and on. Collectively they are the peoples of the world. The French do not have inalienable rights in Britain because they are not the nationals of that territory.

The Palestinians are a people because they are the nationals of the defined territory of Palestine.
As usual, you've got it all backwards,
however it's quiet a spectacle to see how a simple question about Arafat,
triggers you to launch into theorizing new semantics as "proof Palestinians are a people"...

But none of that matters because you will immediately defy this criteria anyway,
as you do with all laws, real and those you make up once seeing they benefit Israel.

So let's go back to my question about Arafat,
and see how your theory of "rights of defined territories"
can be used to justify an Egyptian officer's claim to sovereignty in Levant,
prove that the people he's representing as 'Palestinians' are of that territory unit,
or that those inalienable rights depend on the actual presence in that "defined territory"?
Arafat was a Palestinian.

The rights I posted are all territorial, They are national rights.
Sure, Arafat is as Palestinian as the rest of Egyptians and Saudis who happened to move or settle in the land and can't even pronounce its name properly. But not if we applied the definitions you use to exclude Jews who came from the same countries, whom in the same breath you'll then call "Arabs" when it suits the agenda, from those same national and territorial rights - just because they're Jews.

So let's recall what you claimed:

Are you saying that the nationals in a defined territory are not the sovereigns of that territory?
Sovereignty can only be applied by the sovereign nationals.

Q. If Arafat's claim to sovereignty was legitimate as you say,
then what does it say about your definition of "national rights in a defined territory"?

 
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PA plants trees for terrorists at a school to teach kids about “heroic prisoners”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 1, 2021

Trees for terrorists have been planted by the PA in a school in order to teach Palestinian girls about the “heroic prisoners.” The PA Ministry of Education and Fatah inaugurated a garden at the Zibda School for Girls southeast of Jenin, honoring 13 Israeli Arab terrorist prisoners.

Among the “heroic” terrorists are two murderers – the cousins Karim and Maher Younes who kidnapped and murdered Israeli soldier Avraham Bromberg in 1980. Their pictures were displayed next to the olive tree saplings planted to glorify them:
 

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PA plants trees for terrorists at a school to teach kids about “heroic prisoners”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 1, 2021

Trees for terrorists have been planted by the PA in a school in order to teach Palestinian girls about the “heroic prisoners.” The PA Ministry of Education and Fatah inaugurated a garden at the Zibda School for Girls southeast of Jenin, honoring 13 Israeli Arab terrorist prisoners.

Among the “heroic” terrorists are two murderers – the cousins Karim and Maher Younes who kidnapped and murdered Israeli soldier Avraham Bromberg in 1980. Their pictures were displayed next to the olive tree saplings planted to glorify them:
Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
 

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PA plants trees for terrorists at a school to teach kids about “heroic prisoners”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 1, 2021

Trees for terrorists have been planted by the PA in a school in order to teach Palestinian girls about the “heroic prisoners.” The PA Ministry of Education and Fatah inaugurated a garden at the Zibda School for Girls southeast of Jenin, honoring 13 Israeli Arab terrorist prisoners.

Among the “heroic” terrorists are two murderers – the cousins Karim and Maher Younes who kidnapped and murdered Israeli soldier Avraham Bromberg in 1980. Their pictures were displayed next to the olive tree saplings planted to glorify them:
Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
Your terrorist buddies don't have a country.
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Violations of International Humanitarian Law
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm NOT surprised at all • about your inability to understand the intent; even as often as it is discussed. I'm wondering if you might need a Guide Dog.

Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
(REFERENCEs)

Posting #18780


(COMMENT)

Point #1: Arab Palestinians Protected who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, including an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, IS in violation of International Law and subject to prosecution. YOU KNOW THIS. Why do you consistently attempt to justify their hostile actions?

Point #2: Criminal Acts directed against Israel, or any occupying forces or administration, with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities
(this includes the Israeli Police), the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate the Israelis (whether it does or not) and to compel their government to take some action that furthers the (Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence) criminal objective = Terrorism.


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PA plants trees for terrorists at a school to teach kids about “heroic prisoners”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 1, 2021

Trees for terrorists have been planted by the PA in a school in order to teach Palestinian girls about the “heroic prisoners.” The PA Ministry of Education and Fatah inaugurated a garden at the Zibda School for Girls southeast of Jenin, honoring 13 Israeli Arab terrorist prisoners.

Among the “heroic” terrorists are two murderers – the cousins Karim and Maher Younes who kidnapped and murdered Israeli soldier Avraham Bromberg in 1980. Their pictures were displayed next to the olive tree saplings planted to glorify them:
Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
While you flail your Pom Poms in support of Islamic terrorists, I have to take your posts to mean that you see nothing wrong with the Pally's breeding generation after generation of dysfunctional Death Cultists. Your behavior also raises a host of questions about your motives. You cheer on the child abuse that defines the industry of Pally self destruction and its program of cradle to grave incitement to murder/suicide. Using the lure of dark-eyed virgins to entice teen boys toward acts of murder/suicide is a sickness. Such behaviors are drenched in psycho-sexual fantasies which you are apparently entirely comfortable with. It seems there is a shared psychopathy.



In what country are pally terrorists fighting foreign troops?
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Violations of International Humanitarian Law
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm NOT surprised at all • about your inability to understand the intent; even as often as it is discussed. I'm wondering if you might need a Guide Dog.

Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
(REFERENCEs)

Posting #18780



(COMMENT)

Point #1: Arab Palestinians Protected who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, including an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, IS in violation of International Law and subject to prosecution. YOU KNOW THIS. Why do you consistently attempt to justify their hostile actions?

Point #2: Criminal Acts directed against Israel, or any occupying forces or administration, with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities
(this includes the Israeli Police), the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate the Israelis (whether it does or not) and to compel their government to take some action that furthers the (Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence) criminal objective = Terrorism.


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Most Respectfully,
R
You always run under the false assumption that it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel.
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Violations of International Humanitarian Law
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is simply an attempt to justify Arab Palestinian Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence. Under contemporary law, which I have provided,
(absolutely) nothing justifies the past history and hard record for the criminal behaviors demonstrated by the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

You always run under the false assumption that it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel.
(COMMENT)

Is it a false assumption? Not in the last half-century. The most recent iconic Arab-Palestinian character •
Ahed Tamimi • is a great example. She is a criminal and she is the apple that did not fall far from the tree. Her father • Bassem Tamimi • is a well-known activist and protester of Area "C" settlement construction. This is a case of criminality being transmitted generationally (past from father to daughter).

If you watch the videos, you can see how Ahed Tamimi creates the confrontation and attempts to provoke both Israeli Police and soldiers. As she initiates the confrontation, the camera is close behind; as if the event was staged for media consumption. Ahed Tamimi is a cosmetic symbol of Hostile Arab Palestinians Resistance.


International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) said:
Article 19
1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.​
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.​
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:​
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;​
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

Article 20
1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.​
2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

SOURCE: • General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966, entry into force 23 March 1976,



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R
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Violations of International Humanitarian Law
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm NOT surprised at all • about your inability to understand the intent; even as often as it is discussed. I'm wondering if you might need a Guide Dog.

Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
(REFERENCEs)

Posting #18780



(COMMENT)

Point #1: Arab Palestinians Protected who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, including an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, IS in violation of International Law and subject to prosecution. YOU KNOW THIS. Why do you consistently attempt to justify their hostile actions?

Point #2: Criminal Acts directed against Israel, or any occupying forces or administration, with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities
(this includes the Israeli Police), the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate the Israelis (whether it does or not) and to compel their government to take some action that furthers the (Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence) criminal objective = Terrorism.


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Most Respectfully,
R
You always run under the false assumption that it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel.
If we take 2919 alone.



Would you like the tally from the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza’istan in 2005?
 

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Lovely, folks. I tend to get a chill up my spine whenever I read about Islamist Sharia. I just know women are going to suffer.

For some reason, there are those who call this behavior “extremist”.


PA attacks Hamas for prohibiting women’s travel alone, after recently making same ruling


Nan Jacques Zilberdik and Itamar Marcus | Mar 3, 2021
PA hypocrisy:
  • PA Grand Mufti prohibits women from traveling abroad alone without a male relative
  • PA Supreme Shari’ah Judge rejects Hamas’ prohibition on women traveling alone
  • Same PA Supreme Shari’ah Judge has explained that in certain situations it is OK for husbands, sons, and brothers to beat women
When a Hamas affiliated Islamic institution recently issued a ruling that “travel is forbidden for an unmarried woman who has no children… without the permission of a guardian,” the PA’s Supreme Shari’ah Judge in Ramallah, Mahmoud Al-Habbash, stated that Palestinians are not obligated by this ruling.

However, this seems to be an attack on Hamas’ religious authority more than an attack on Hamas’ limitation of women’s rights. In fact, the top PA religious official issued a similar ruling just three months ago, denying women the right to travel abroad alone. When asked on official PA TV if a Palestinian woman may travel to Dubai on her own, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Muhammad Hussein, who was appointed by PA Chairman Abbas himself, answered that “there has to be an accompanying man from her family on the trip.”
 

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Violations of International Humanitarian Law
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm NOT surprised at all • about your inability to understand the intent; even as often as it is discussed. I'm wondering if you might need a Guide Dog.

Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
(REFERENCEs)

Posting #18780



(COMMENT)

Point #1: Arab Palestinians Protected who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, including an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, IS in violation of International Law and subject to prosecution. YOU KNOW THIS. Why do you consistently attempt to justify their hostile actions?

Point #2: Criminal Acts directed against Israel, or any occupying forces or administration, with the intention of → or calculated to → cause death or serious bodily injury to the civilian population, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities
(this includes the Israeli Police), the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate the Israelis (whether it does or not) and to compel their government to take some action that furthers the (Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence) criminal objective = Terrorism.


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Most Respectfully,
R
You always run under the false assumption that it is the Palestinians who are attacking Israel.
Ah yes, Palestinians don’t attack Israel, they are “defending” themselves, right Tinmore?
Well then why can’t you provide specific examples of Palestinians defending themselves against Israel ? I suspect you will ignore this post, as usual..
 

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PA plants trees for terrorists at a school to teach kids about “heroic prisoners”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 1, 2021

Trees for terrorists have been planted by the PA in a school in order to teach Palestinian girls about the “heroic prisoners.” The PA Ministry of Education and Fatah inaugurated a garden at the Zibda School for Girls southeast of Jenin, honoring 13 Israeli Arab terrorist prisoners.

Among the “heroic” terrorists are two murderers – the cousins Karim and Maher Younes who kidnapped and murdered Israeli soldier Avraham Bromberg in 1980. Their pictures were displayed next to the olive tree saplings planted to glorify them:
Oooooo, terrorists. :laugh: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are a hoot.

BTW, attacking foreign troops in your country is not terrorism.
I’m a little confused, what country are you talking about, and can you provide a map of it with its internationally recognized borders ?
 

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The competing Islamic terrorist franchises occupying the disputed territories seem to have a difference of opinion.

let’s see if these angry misfits can settle their differences with each other using a bit of gee-had conflict resolution techniques.





The Palestinian Authority (PA) claims that Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups have renounced terrorism and accepted Israel’s right to exist.

Hamas and the Palestinian factions, however, saythis is not true and that they remain committed to “all forms of resistance” against Israel, including an “armed struggle.”

They are also stressing that they have not recognized Israel’s right to exist and are determinedto pursue the fight “until the liberation of all of Palestine,” from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
 

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The competing Islamic terrorist franchises occupying the disputed territories seem to have a difference of opinion.

let’s see if these angry misfits can settle their differences with each other using a bit of gee-had conflict resolution techniques.





The Palestinian Authority (PA) claims that Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups have renounced terrorism and accepted Israel’s right to exist.

Hamas and the Palestinian factions, however, saythis is not true and that they remain committed to “all forms of resistance” against Israel, including an “armed struggle.”

They are also stressing that they have not recognized Israel’s right to exist and are determinedto pursue the fight “until the liberation of all of Palestine,” from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
 

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The competing Islamic terrorist franchises occupying the disputed territories seem to have a difference of opinion.

let’s see if these angry misfits can settle their differences with each other using a bit of gee-had conflict resolution techniques.





The Palestinian Authority (PA) claims that Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups have renounced terrorism and accepted Israel’s right to exist.

Hamas and the Palestinian factions, however, saythis is not true and that they remain committed to “all forms of resistance” against Israel, including an “armed struggle.”

They are also stressing that they have not recognized Israel’s right to exist and are determinedto pursue the fight “until the liberation of all of Palestine,” from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
"Reclaim" what they can't even pronounce? :SMILEW~130:

 
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