Who Are The Palestinians " III "

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: Demarcatiion (Current Relative to Gaza)
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The historical Map you present is just a 1956 version of the Generalized Lines.

Do you mean the armistice line around Gaza?

(COMMENT)

Moving along to today, relative to Gaza, the Treaty with Egypt defines the border between the Egyptian Sinai and Israel. If you look closely, the border is showing as Thru Rafah. Is does not jog around the Gaza Strip. But even at that, this map that you show us does not depict today's ground truth. You should tuck that away in a historical file.

[Just as a point of Trivia, Egypt was the first nation to sign a Treaty with Israel.]

Article II sets the recognition of a "permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel. The Treaty recognized an international boundary between Egypt and Israel (AKA the former mandated territory of Palestine).

A new agreement has been reached between Israel and Egypt that allows Egypt to deploy 750 on the Egyptian border with the Gaza Strip. This accord, signed by the two parties in Cairo, Egypt on September 1, will help to ensure that weapons are not smuggled to terrorists in the Gaza Strip from Egypt. The Knesset approved the deal Wednesday in a 53-28 vote. This agreement overturns a clause in the 1979 peace agreement between Israel and Egypt stating that the border between Egypt and Gaza would be a demilitarized zone. To avoid violating the Israel-Egyptian peace treaty, Egypt will not deploy tanks or construct permanent military installations on the border. Mubarak said that he would not move to deploy troops until Israel has completely withdrawn from the area. Israel has said it will eventually leave the zone and is set to withdraw in October.
(continued)
Now that Israel has evacuated all of its settlers from the Gaza Strip, security is the main concern. Israel is due to start constructing a new border-crossing terminal at Kerem Shalom on the Israel-Egypt-Gaza border next week, despite opposition from Egypt and the Palestinian Authority. Israel wants the entry from Egypt into the Gaza Strip to be via the Kerem Shalom terminal to ease the process of monitoring customs. It is threatening to exclude Gaza from the customs union with Israel and the West Bank if the Palestinians insist on running the terminal on their own.

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It is rather childish to quibble over the name in which you address the demarcation. There is a big and rather sophisticated fence you cannot miss.

In a way, the territory called the Gaza Strip was established by the Egyptians and Israelis. The Arab Palestinians did not have control of the territory until 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally decided to withdraw in its entirety. That left the inhabitants to their fate. (And what a mess they made.)

Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[P F Tinmore]

I see a plan, I don't see any international borders for the nation of Palestine.

Oh geeze. Read the legend.

 

[Hollie]

Oh geeze. Read the legend.

Oh geese and ducks. You're still befuddled.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh geeze. Read the legend.

It's showing plans for an Arab state, not a State of Palestine.

Did you ever find those armistice agreements and border agreements that were
signed between Palestine and those other nations?

Or were they all between those nations and Israel, signed by Israelis?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is rather childish to quibble over the name in which you address the demarcation. There is a big and rather sophisticated fence you cannot miss.

It is either a border it is not. It is not a border.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh geese and ducks. You're still befuddled.

Not at all. The legend says international boundary.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not at all. The legend says international boundary.

Was that map before the Arabs fucked up?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Was that map before the Arabs fucked up?

They are the same international borders that were mentioned in the 1949 armistice agreements. They have never changed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They are the same international borders that were mentioned in the 1949 armistice agreements. They have never changed.

Right. The borders between Israel and her neighbors.

 

[Hollie]

Not at all. The legend says international boundary.

As you're unaware, despite the title of the map, you never understood that what you continually cut and paste is a "Plan of Partition".

Take a moment to read what you cut and paste. Attempting to falsify the map as something it's not is in bad form, Bunky.

 

[Hollie]

They are the same international borders that were mentioned in the 1949 armistice agreements. They have never changed.

What countries were parties to the 1949 armistice agreements?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What countries were parties to the 1949 armistice agreements?

The ones that were in the 1948 war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As you're unaware, despite the title of the map, you never understood that what you continually cut and paste is a "Plan of Partition".

Take a moment to read what you cut and paste. Attempting to falsify the map as something it's not is in bad form, Bunky.

Indeed, the planned borders did not use the international boundaries symbol.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: Demarcatiion (Current Relative to Gaza)
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, You make me laugh. Whatever it is, you better have your Passport and Visa in hand.

Not at all. The legend says international boundary.

(Encyclopaedic Dictionary)

delimitation ‘It is common practice to distinguish delimitation and demarcation of a boundary. The former denotes description of the alignment in a treaty or other written source, or by means of a line marked on a map or chart. Demarcation denotes the means by which the described alignment is noted, or evidenced, on the ground, by means of cairns of stones, concrete pillars, beacons of various kinds, cleared roads in scrub, and so on. The principle of the distinction is clear enough, but the usage of the draftsman of the particular international agreement or political spokesman may not be consistent. In fact the terms are sometimes used to mean the same thing’: Brownlie, African Boundaries. A Legal and Diplomatic Encyclopaedia ( 1979 ), 4.
SOURCE:
Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law / John P. Grant and J. Craig Barker. -- 3rd ed. Copyright ˝ 2009 Published by Oxford University Press, Inc. Published by Oxford University Press, Inc.
198 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10016 pp 146

1979 TREATYOFPEACE1BETWEENTHEARABREPUBLICOFEGYPT AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL
United Nations — Treaty Series #17813
Article II. The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, 1 without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.

(COMMENT)

I'm not an attorney and do not practice law. But when you roll up to a Allenby/King Hussein Border Crossing, there is no mistaking it for anything other than a border. It is similar to the Border Crossing at Rafah.

Notion​

According to the present-day terminology employed under international law, international lines of demarcation are provisional borderlines which have the function of separating territories under different ~ jurisdictions. Consequently, they fulfil this function not only between States but also in relation to such territories which are effectively kept and governed by occupying powers or by a party to a ~ civil war striving towards ~ secession.​

SOURCE RELATIVE to DEMARCATIONS:​

USE OF FORCE. WAR AND NEUTRALITY PEACE TREATIES (Volume A-M)​

© NORTH-HOLLAND PUBLISHING COMPANY - 1982 (PRINTED IN THE NETHERLANDS) pp147​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: Demarcatiion (Current Relative to Gaza)
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There were no "borders" mentioned in the Armistice Agreements between the Military Commanders.

Furthermore, the Armistice Agreement between Israel and Egypt was only in force until the Treaty was signed (1979). No obligation or agreement that was mentioned between the parties in the Armistice Agreements was active once the Treaty was signed. They Dissolved.

They are the same international borders that were mentioned in the 1949 armistice agreements. They have never changed.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The ones that were in the 1948 war.

What ones were in the war?

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, the planned borders did not use the international boundaries symbol.

Indeed, the planned international boundaries were to divide the parties to the war.

Who were those parties?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: Demarcatiion (Current Relative to Gaza)
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There were no "borders" mentioned in the Armistice Agreements between the Military Commanders.

Furthermore, the Armistice Agreement between Israel and Egypt was only in force until the Treaty was signed (1979). No obligation or agreement that was mentioned between the parties in the Armistice Agreements was active once the Treaty was signed. They Dissolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, there never was a border around Gaza.

 

[Hollie]

Oh, dear. Emir Abbas and his Islamic terrorist minions cut security ties with Israel. It's difficult to imagine anything will change so this is just about Islamic terrorist posturing.

Palestinian Authority cuts security ties with Israel over Jenin raid - Washington Examiner

The Palestinian Authority cut all security ties with Israel over a deadly raid in the Jenin refugee camp that allegedly killed nine Palestinians. The Israeli Defense Forces said it executed a raid on a terrorist cell in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, killing three gunmen when they opened...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The Palestinian Authority cut all security ties with Israel over a deadly raid in the Jenin refugee camp that allegedly killed nine Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh, dear. Emir Abbas and his Islamic terrorist minions cut security ties with Israel. It's difficult to imagine anything will change so this is just about Islamic terrorist posturing.

Palestinian Authority cuts security ties with Israel over Jenin raid - Washington Examiner

The Palestinian Authority cut all security ties with Israel over a deadly raid in the Jenin refugee camp that allegedly killed nine Palestinians. The Israeli Defense Forces said it executed a raid on a terrorist cell in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin, killing three gunmen when they opened...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The Palestinian Authority cut all security ties with Israel over a deadly raid in the Jenin refugee camp that allegedly killed nine Palestinians.

Again!!!