Who Are The Palestinians " III "

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Penelope]

Palestine was established as a legal sovereign state in 1920, by the Treaty of Sevilles, and the Treaty of San Remo.

Awesome!
Who were the Palestinian government officials?
What was their currency and what was the exchange rate?

Palestine pound - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

• During 1917 and 1918, Palestine was occupied by the British army, who set up a military administration. The official currency was the Egyptian pound, which had been first introduced into Egypt in 1834, but several other currencies were legal tender at fixed exchange rates that were vigorously enforced.
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• In the West Bank, the Palestine pound continued to circulate until 1950, when the West Bank was annexed by Jordan, and the Jordanian dinar became legal tender there. The Jordanian dinar is still legal tender in the West Bank along with the Israeli shekel.
• In the Gaza Strip, the Palestine pound continued to circulate until April 1951, when it was replaced by the Egyptian pound, three years after the Egyptian army took control of the territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

During 1917 and 1918, Palestine was occupied by the British army, who set up a military administration. The official currency was the Egyptian pound, which had been first introduced into Egypt in 1834, but several other currencies were legal tender at fixed exchange rates that were vigorously enforced.

Here is where we usually see a skip and jump.

In 1924 the Treaty of Lausanne ceded the territory and sovereignty to Palestine. Anything foreigners did after that time was a violation of Palestinian sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

Those poor, oppressed Islamic terrorists.

Acts of Islamic terrorism have consequences.

PA PM annoyed that participating in and rewarding terror has consequences | PMW Analysis

In the In the eyes of the Palestinian Authority, Palestinians - including PA employees - are entitled to participate in terror and indiscriminately murder Israelis, and should be able to do so with full impunity.

palwatch.org

PA PM annoyed that participating in and rewarding terror has consequences​

Maurice Hirsch, Adv. | Jan 25, 2023
In the eyes of the Palestinian Authority and its Prime Minister Muhammad Shtayyeh, Palestinians - including PA employees - are entitled to participate in terror and indiscriminately murder Israelis, and should be able to do so with full impunity. That is why Shtayyeh lashed out when Israel’s government decided to use the tax money that Israel collects and transfers to the PA every month to fully pay compensation awarded to terror victims who sued the PA for its direct involvement in terror and to implement Israel’s Anti “Pay-for-Slay” Law.

Claiming that these decisions were “an attempt to topple the PA and push it to the brink financially,” Shtayyeh added that the “acts of robbery, theft, and revenge by the occupying force will not dissuade our people and its leadership from continuing their political, diplomatic, and legal struggle.”
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 10, 2023]

 

[Hollie]

Here is where we usually see a skip and jump.

In 1924 the Treaty of Lausanne ceded the territory and sovereignty to Palestine. Anything foreigners did after that time was a violation of Palestinian sovereignty.

Your silly conspiracy theory is a hoot.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: The Treaty of Lausanne
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

Unless he can point to the specific authority in there Treaty, then his claim is unsubstantiated.

Your silly conspiracy theory is a hoot.

(COMMENT)

There was no such thing as the State of Palestine before The Great War (WWI) and there was no State of Palestine after the Termination of the Mandate.

He just doesn't get it. You are wasting your breath on him in this matter.

opy/KS

25 February 1948​

MEMORANDUM “A”
LEGAL MEANING OF THE “TERMINATION OF THE MANDATE”​

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
2. After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

3. Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time in a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948; is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held but so far as His Majesty’s Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.

4. After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

5. His Majesty’s Government will recognise the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine.

6. The present employees of the Palestine Administration are the servants of the Crown of the United Kingdom in right of its Government of Palestine. The existing contracts of employment of such employees are automatically terminated when His Majesty ceases to be responsible for the government of Palestine because they never agreed to serve any other authority than. His Majesty:

7. Subject to the views set out above on the legal position and the action necessarily following from those views, all proper assistance will be given to the Commission in making arrangements for continuing the employment of all officials in office on the same terms as they enjoy at present and with the same rights, on the understanding that it will be open to the officials concerned voluntarily to accept or refuse any offer made by the Commission.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

The British administration had no land, and had no sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC: The Treaty of Lausanne
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

Unless he can point to the specific authority in there Treaty, then his claim is unsubstantiated.


(COMMENT)

There was no such thing as the State of Palestine before The Great War (WWI) and there was no State of Palestine after the Termination of the Mandate.

He just doesn't get it. You are wasting your breath on him in this matter.

opy/KS

25 February 1948​

MEMORANDUM “A”
LEGAL MEANING OF THE “TERMINATION OF THE MANDATE”​

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
2. After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

3. Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time in a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948; is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held but so far as His Majesty’s Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.

4. After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

5. His Majesty’s Government will recognise the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine.

6. The present employees of the Palestine Administration are the servants of the Crown of the United Kingdom in right of its Government of Palestine. The existing contracts of employment of such employees are automatically terminated when His Majesty ceases to be responsible for the government of Palestine because they never agreed to serve any other authority than. His Majesty:

7. Subject to the views set out above on the legal position and the action necessarily following from those views, all proper assistance will be given to the Commission in making arrangements for continuing the employment of all officials in office on the same terms as they enjoy at present and with the same rights, on the understanding that it will be open to the officials concerned voluntarily to accept or refuse any offer made by the Commission.

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Most Respectfully,
R

All you have is illegal foreign intervention.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

During 1917 and 1918, Palestine was occupied by the British army, who set up a military administration. The official currency was the Egyptian pound, which had been first introduced into Egypt in 1834, but several other currencies were legal tender at fixed exchange rates that were vigorously enforced.

It was a sovereign state without its own government and without its own currency?

Doesn't sounds sovereign at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The British administration had no land, and had no sovereignty.

Just like the Palestinians.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All you have is illegal foreign intervention.

All you have is Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

All you have is Israel.

Same thing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was a sovereign state without its own government and without its own currency?

Doesn't sounds sovereign at all.

Indeed, it sounds like illegal external interference.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Just like the Palestinians.

Link?

Time to start dancing.

 

[Hollie]

Indeed, it sounds like illegal external interference.

Indeed. What was illegal?

 

[Sixties Fan]

One of the PA and Fatah’s greatest role models for women especially is terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi. She led a group of terrorists who carried out what remains the most lethal terror attack in Israel's history, hijacking a bus full of Israeli civilians and ultimately murdering 37 of them, including 12 children. Ever since, Mughrabi has been highlighted as a hero whose actions are to be emulated by Palestinians in general and women in particular.

The PA and Fatah regularly honor murderer Mughrabi and remind Palestinians of her “heroic” deeds. A recent example appeared on the TV station Awdah of Abbas’ Fatah Movement, where the host read a will it claimed was written by Mughrabi. In the will, Mughrabi called to “aim all the rifles at the Zionist enemy.” The Fatah TV host added that Mughrabi’s flattering nickname was “the Bride of Jaffa,” calling her terror attack “an operation” that aimed to teach Israel “a painful lesson”:

(full article online)

“Princess of Fatah’s lauded female self-sacrificing fighters” – Fatah praises terrorist who led murder of 37 | PMW Analysis

Fatah praises terrorist who led murder of 37

palwatch.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

On Wednesday, Muhammad Ali Abd Musa Muhammad Ali, 16, was killed after aiming a (fake) gun at IDF soldiers in Shuafat.

Hamas said that he was a member.

That is the fifth Palestinian child soldier killed this year - fully 25% of all the Palestinian militants killed by Israel this year have been children.

All of them were claimed as members of terror groups.

These include:

1/2 Fuad Mohammad ‘Aabed, 17 (Hamas)
1/3 Adam Essam Ayyad, 15 (PFLP)
1/5 Amer Abu Zeitoun, 16 (Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades)
1/16 Amro Khaled Al-Khumour, 14 (PFLP)
1/25 Muhammad Ali Abd Musa Muhammad Ali, 16 (Hamas)

These kids are being groomed to be cannon fodder. Some of them wrote notes to their families, meaning that they intended to be killed.

I have not seen one word from "human rights groups." about Palestinian child soldiers this year. Nothing from UNICEF. Nothing from Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese. Nothing from the EU. Nothing from the State Department. Nothing in the Western media.

And each "child" is promoted as an innocent victim by those who want to destroy Israel,with no fact checking.

The child soldiers is a scandal. The lack of information about them in the West (indeed, the fact that the media has not once mentioned that nearly every Palestinian killed was participating in fighting at the time) is perhaps an even greater scandal.

FIVE Palestinian child soldiers killed so far this year

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[Sixties Fan]

In April 2002, Israel mounted a major military operation in Jenin that resulted in a pitched battle where 23 IDF soldiers and 52 Palestinians, mostly terrorists, were killed.

But Palestinians and their supporters claimed that between 400-500 Palestinians had been killed - and for weeks, the world's media believed them with no skepticism, and assumed that Israeli denials were lies. There were wide reports of a "massacre." An Amnesty International "forensics expert" visited the camp and said "I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."

Months later, the UN and human rights groups grudgingly admitted that there was no massacre.

Yet even though the PA had lied so egregiously, they paid no price. The media continued to report their lies as fact and to regard Israeli denials as lies.

The Palestinian Authority has learned that lesson well.


Today, the IDF entered Jenin again, to stop an Islamic Jihad cell that was planning an imminent attack. As of this writing, it appears that the IDF killed eight terrorists and one civilian.

And like in 2002, the Palestinian Authority and media are again calling it a "massacre."

Palestinian Presidential Spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeineh said Israeli government is committing a massacre in Jenin and its refugee camp, amidst international silence.

He added that the international silence is what encourages the occupation government to commit massacres against Palestinian people before the eyes of the world.

PA prime minister Shtayyeh "called on the United Nations and all international human rights organizations to intervene urgently to provide protection for Palestinian people and stop the bloodshed of children, youth and women."
The Palestinian Foreign Ministry called on the United States to "intervene immediately" against what they called the "Israeli killing machine."
The Jenin-based armed groups freely admit that they attacked IDF troops and even brag that they scored direct hits but that contradicts the favored narrative of Palestinians as innocent victims, so international media doesn't bother quoting them.

Just as in 2002, Palestinians are making ludicrous allegations, including that the IDF directly shot an ambulance.

The PA's health minister claimed "the occupation stormed Jenin Governmental Hospital, and deliberately fired tear gas canisters at the children's department in the hospital" (some tear gas seems to have wafted in.) She also claimed the IDF shot bullets at the children's ward. She called these "war crimes."

Sure, in the middle of fighting highly armed Islamic Jihad terrorists, the IDF decided to break into a hospital and shoot bullets and tear gas canisters at the pediatric ward. Makes perfect sense.

The PA called a general strike, and declared three days of mourning for the terrorists.

The Palestinians are hoping that the media and NGOs will believe them implicitly. And they have every incentive to lie, because the media never reports that they have a history of lying to manipulate the media.

The Palestinians have nothing to lose with their lies.

Palestinian Authority trying to spin today's fighting as new "Jenin Massacre"

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[P F Tinmore]

Indeed. What was illegal?

What wasn't?

 

[Hollie]

What wasn't?

Indeed, your usual sidestep.

More of your baseless claims.