Who Are The Palestinains?

[P F Tinmore]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Don't forget the Palestinian Jews. Many of them lost their homes in Israel's war.

 

[Hossfly]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Nobody holds you here against your will, Abu.

 

[toastman]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Just because you can't debate with posters here and keep up with them, does 't mean this section is propaganda.
And frankly, you're not making a good case for yourself when you run around all day posting the usual 'Zionist propaganda ! Zionist propaganda!'

Go to stormfront and talk about 'Zionist propaganda' every second post you make and I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome.

 

[toastman]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Don't forget the Palestinian Jews. Many of them lost their homes in Israel's war.

Thats ok, all Jews were allowed to return to Israel

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, Phoenall, et al,

I think our friend "P F Tinmore" is correct.

All those who stayed and put down roots (Those who lived there at the demise of the Ottoman Empire.) are the natives of Palestine.

Which does not alter the RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NATINAL HOME FOR THE JEWS does it. And as I showed yesterday the Jews begged the arab muslims to live in peace as full citizens of Israel with all the rights and privileges that entails.

It was the declaration of war that brought a halt to the aspirations of Palestinians to ever living in peace and prosperity.

You need to read up on your documents. I think you misunderstand the meaning of "national home."

(COMMENT)

"Jewish National Home" does not equate to "Jewish State."

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." HMG regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab Delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine.

SOURCE: AKA The British White Paper of 1922

The Allied Powers had the intent to extend protections to a culture that had historically been persecuted throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. It was an effort to protect and preserve a culture in distress. But the phrase "Jewish National Home" was not to be interpreted as a "Jewish State." While establishment of a Jewish State is one way in which to achieve a National Home, it was not the only way; or even the preferred way.

The post-WWII concept of a "Jewish State" was a product of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP). But it had been shuffled around for more than two decades prior; it was not an original thought of the UNSCOP. It turned out to be a majority recommendation later on in its presentation to the General Assembly. But even then, it was clear that it was a Partition.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Rocco, is there an official definition of 'Jewish National Home' ?

 

[Roudy]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Your version of justice is Arabs being able to kill all the Jews and Christians on the land, then call it the "Islamic shithole Khalifate of Palestine" that will be ruled by barbaric Shariah law.

Justice my ass.

 

[toastman]

Same old song. All we want is justice for the Palestinian people, Christian and Muslim. All we get is Zionist propaganda. Yup, this section is the Zionist Stormfront. Ciao.

Your version of justice is Arabs being able to kill all the Jews and Christians on the land, then call it the "Islamic shithole Khalifate of Palestine" that will be ruled by barbaric Shariah law.

Justice my ass.

Oh common Roudy! We all know the ME needs another Muslim Arab state!
Just think about bow much of a better place the world will be!

 

[Billo_Really]

Your version of justice is Arabs being able to kill all the Jews and Christians on the land, then call it the "Islamic shithole Khalifate of Palestine" that will be ruled by barbaric Shariah law.

Justice my ass.

There will never be any justice in your ass, you just don't eat enough bran.

I find it interesting you're constantly telling others what "their" version is and coincidentally, it always whind's up being "your" version as well.

 

[Billo_Really]

link ?

No link. Just my personal opinion.

 

[Billo_Really]

So why don't you tell that the illegal arab immigrants that descended on the area to wipe out the Jews ?

If you're referring to the arab army's, they didn't come in to "wipe out the Jews".

They came in to ensure the "rule of law", after the British vacated the area.


They wouldn't of even had to do that, if asshole, migrating Zionists, didn't treat the indigenous, Arab residents, like garbage.

 

[Roudy]

Your version of justice is Arabs being able to kill all the Jews and Christians on the land, then call it the "Islamic shithole Khalifate of Palestine" that will be ruled by barbaric Shariah law.

Justice my ass.

There will never be any justice in your ass, you just don't eat enough bran.

I find it interesting you're constantly telling others what "their" version is and coincidentally, it always whind's up being "your" version as well.

Here's the justice in your ass, use vaseline:

Hamas Charter

'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian
movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is
Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of
Palestine.' (Article 6)

On the Destruction of Israel:

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area

'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]
consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one
can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'
(Article 11)

'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the
Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem
wherever he may be.' (Article 13)

The Call to Jihad:

'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and
international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of
the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than
a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of
Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by
Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a
waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

 

[Billo_Really]

That is just your opinion and is not based on fact,

Not if you read the posts from all the Israeli kiss-asses, that populate this forum.

unless you want to tell all the muslims that their prophet is an asshole

Why would I do that?

I'm a white, Irish Catholic; so I'm not really up to date on their prophet.

 

[Roudy]

That is just your opinion and is not based on fact,

Not if you read the posts from all the Israeli kiss-asses, that populate this forum.

unless you want to tell all the muslims that their prophet is an asshole

Why would I do that?

I'm a white, Irish Catholic; so I'm not really up to date on their prophet.

IslamoTerrorist asskissers come in all shapes and forms. But the common thread among most of them is ignorance and stupidity of which you have plenty of both.

 

[toastman]

So why don't you tell that the illegal arab immigrants that descended on the area to wipe out the Jews ?

If you're referring to the arab army's, they didn't come in to "wipe out the Jews".

They came in to ensure the "rule of law", after the British vacated the area.


They wouldn't of even had to do that, if asshole, migrating Zionists, didn't treat the indigenous, Arab residents, like garbage.

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the Arab armies had no business invading the region and starting a war.
The hostilities were between Israel and the Palestinians, not between the Arab states.
And if they came in to ensure law and order, why did some of the Leaders literally threaten to destroy Israel if they became a state, prior to the war???

Using the logic in your last statement, I can say: Israeli forces wouldn't of had to expel those Palestinians during their military advances , if those 5 Arab states hadn't attacked.

 

[Billo_Really]

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the Arab armies had no business invading the region and starting a war.
The hostilities were between Israel and the Palestinians, not between the Arab states.
And if they came in to ensure law and order, why did some of the Leaders literally threaten to destroy Israel if they became a state, prior to the war???

Using the logic in your last statement, I can say: Israeli forces wouldn't of had to expel those Palestinians during their military advances , if those 5 Arab states hadn't attacked.

This is what got their attention and why they eventually attacked...

...the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...
- Ahad Ha'am (Zionist humanist)

It's as if an East LA street gang moved to a suburb in the OC and immediately had run-ins with the non-Chicano residents. Then the OC Sherriff's announce they're leaving the area and will not be back to police it. What do you think that LA gang is going to do?

 

[Billo_Really]

IslamoTerrorist asskissers come in all shapes and forms. But the common thread among most of them is ignorance and stupidity of which you have plenty of both.

I will say you're an expert on ignorance and stupidity.

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's the justice in your ass, use vaseline:

Hamas Charter

'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian
movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is
Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of
Palestine.' (Article 6)

On the Destruction of Israel:

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area

'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]
consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one
can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'
(Article 11)

'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the
Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem
wherever he may be.' (Article 13)

The Call to Jihad:

'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)

Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and
international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of
the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than
a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of
Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by
Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a
waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

Here's something that is a little more current, than some 40 year old locker room chest thumping...

Hamas stormed the political arena in force in 2005. In January of that year, prior to scheduled municipal elections, a report from the U.S. State Department observed that Hamas was “Neck and Neck” with Fatah, the party under the leadership of President Abbas, with “a majority of both [Fatah] and Hamas supporters” backing “a continuation of the ceasefire, ongoing talks with Israel, and a two-state solution.” It noted that Palestinians “tend to see Hamas as more qualified to clean up corruption, resist occupation, and uphold societal values”, and that the “lack of hope in the peace process may also contribute to support for Hamas.” In other words, by rejecting the two-state solution, Israel was effectively helping, once again, to empower Hamas. A little over a week later, Hamas won an overwhelming victory in the municipal elections, gaining 75 out of 118 seats in 10 local councils, and with Fatah winning only 39 seats.

Hamas continued to gain council seats in further municipal elections in May. But rather than encouraging Hamas’s engagement in the political process, Israel continued to seek to isolate the group. Instead of encouraging Hamas to moderate its behavior, Israel continued to attempt to provoke the group into a violent response. Israel sent the message to Hamas that its steps towards moderation and political engagement would bear no fruit. When Hamas cleaned the streets, Israeli bulldozers and tanks destroyed them, and when Hamas erected streetlights, Israeli soldiers shot them out.

A further round of municipal elections were held in the West Bank in September, with Hamas again performing well, receiving nearly a third of the votes.

As the parliamentary election scheduled for January 25, 2006 drew near, Hamas published a manifesto that Western news agencies found remarkable for the absence of mention of any goal to eliminate Israel.

Hamas candidate Gazi Hamad said it reflected the group’s position of seeking a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. He said Hamas would not recognize that Israel had a “right to exist”, but that it was seeking to shift strategies away from armed struggle to engagement in the political process. Palestinian cabinet minister Ghassan Khatib said, “Having Hamas inside the system is a positive development whereby they have to abide by the rules of the majority and respect the arguments of the administration they are part of, which includes a state built on 1967 borders. It will take time but Hamas will no longer have their own militia. It will be solely a political force.”

BTW, they'll renounce their charter after Israel ends the occupation.

 

[toastman]

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the Arab armies had no business invading the region and starting a war.
The hostilities were between Israel and the Palestinians, not between the Arab states.
And if they came in to ensure law and order, why did some of the Leaders literally threaten to destroy Israel if they became a state, prior to the war???

Using the logic in your last statement, I can say: Israeli forces wouldn't of had to expel those Palestinians during their military advances , if those 5 Arab states hadn't attacked.

This is what got their attention and why they eventually attacked...

...the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...
- Ahad Ha'am (Zionist humanist)

It's as if an East LA street gang moved to a suburb in the OC and immediately had run-ins with the non-Chicano residents. Then the OC Sherriff's announce they're leaving the area and will not be back to police it. What do you think that LA gang is going to do?

Terrible comparison. We're talking about foreign countries who had no beef in the fight.
I understand that they were there to ALSO assist the Palestinians, but the fact remains that they were the aggressors in the war. They started the war with Israel. Israel DID NOT start a war with any if them.

 

[Indeependent]

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, but the Arab armies had no business invading the region and starting a war.
The hostilities were between Israel and the Palestinians, not between the Arab states.
And if they came in to ensure law and order, why did some of the Leaders literally threaten to destroy Israel if they became a state, prior to the war???

Using the logic in your last statement, I can say: Israeli forces wouldn't of had to expel those Palestinians during their military advances , if those 5 Arab states hadn't attacked.

This is what got their attention and why they eventually attacked...

...the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...
- Ahad Ha'am (Zionist humanist)

It's as if an East LA street gang moved to a suburb in the OC and immediately had run-ins with the non-Chicano residents. Then the OC Sherriff's announce they're leaving the area and will not be back to police it. What do you think that LA gang is going to do?

Judging by the behavior of Moslems throughout the Middle East and Europe, they don't need a very solid excuse to commit murder.