Who are the Israelis?

[P F Tinmore]

Israel claims that the doctrine of uti possidetis juris gives them the legal right to all of Palestine.

PALESTINE, UTI POSSIDETIS JURIS, AND THE
BORDERS OF ISRAEL

https://arizonalawreview.org/pdf/58-3/58arizlrev633.pdf

Israel’s borders and territorial scope are a source of seemingly endless debate. Remarkably, despite the intensity of the debates, little attention has been paid to the relevance of the doctrine of uti possidetis juris to resolving legal aspects of the border dispute.

Applied to the case of Israel, uti possidetis juris would dictate that Israel inherit the boundaries of the Mandate of Palestine as they existed in May, 1948.​

The problem is that the Mandate of Palestine had no borders.

Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a "sacred trust of civilisation" to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]

League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Mandate had no territory or borders. The territory was never annexed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel claims that the doctrine of uti possidetis juris gives them the legal right to all of Palestine.

PALESTINE, UTI POSSIDETIS JURIS, AND THE​

BORDERS OF ISRAEL​

https://arizonalawreview.org/pdf/58-3/58arizlrev633.pdf

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Israel’s borders and territorial scope are a source of seemingly endless debate. Remarkably, despite the intensity of the debates, little attention has been paid to the relevance of the doctrine of uti possidetis juris to resolving legal aspects of the border dispute.​

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Applied to the case of Israel, uti possidetis juris would dictate that Israel inherit the boundaries of the Mandate of Palestine as they existed in May, 1948.​

The problem is that the Mandate of Palestine had no borders.

Two governing principles formed the core of the Mandate System, being non-annexation of the territory and its administration as a "sacred trust of civilisation" to develop the territory for the benefit of its native people.[2]​

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League of Nations mandate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Mandate had no territory or borders. The territory was never annexed.

The state of Israel should never have been created, it was simply a stepping stone to domination of the Levant by militant Zionists, that's all it was, the initial dream of a safe home for Jews was long ago abandoned.

The British and later the Americans were used, manipulated and pestered by an emerging Zionist lobby. What exists today is unsustainable, a doomed political system and population.

The racial supremacist nature of Zionism has made enemies of all surrounding states, every one of them is an enemy of the Zionist regime, every one of them has been hurt in some way by Zionism.

The regime today is in some ways what South Africa would have become like had the West continued supporting it, continued supplying weapons to it, continued defending it at the policy level and continued to punish and threaten those who criticized it.

Israel does whatever it wants, it makes up lies whenever it wants, it accuses the innocent whenever it wants and it kills whomever it wants. It is answerable to nobody, it is all powerful and unstoppable.

No country in the West has the power to control Israel, things have gotten past that stage long ago. The US is a tool used by the Israelis, they have nothing but contempt for the US, they ridicule the US and for good reason, we've allowed them to use us.

There is no prospect of the US working with the UN to control Israel, absolutely none. Even if the desires was there the US lacks the power, the tentacles of Zionism and its lobbying have been growing in the US for almost a century, it is well entrenched, it is a parasite and we are the host.

The Zionist lobby has a huge influence over US media and news, it dictates what we see and don't see. The US public are deceived, unaware of what Israel really and what it really does.

Israel has nuclear weapons, lots of nuclear weapons, it has threatened to use them in the past. It is so radical, so unaccountable and inflated with pride that it will likely be the first country since WW 2 to use a nuclear weapon.

To see the power of the Zionist Regime look no further than congress where Netanyahu is planning to speak, to tell congress what it must do for Israel, to dictate to use our duties and obligations and watch - we will do its bidding, we are the subservient partner.

 

[Deadstick]

The state of Israel should never have been created, it was simply a stepping stone to domination of the Levant by militant Zionists, that's all it was, the initial dream of a safe home for Jews was long ago abandoned.

The British and later the Americans were used, manipulated and pestered by an emerging Zionist lobby. What exists today is unsustainable, a doomed political system and population.

The racial supremacist nature of Zionism has made enemies of all surrounding states, every one of them is an enemy of the Zionist regime, every one of them has been hurt in some way by Zionism.

The regime today is in some ways what South Africa would have become like had the West continued supporting it, continued supplying weapons to it, continued defending it at the policy level and continued to punish and threaten those who criticized it.

Israel does whatever it wants, it makes up lies whenever it wants, it accuses the innocent whenever it wants and it kills whomever it wants. It is answerable to nobody, it is all powerful and unstoppable.

No country in the West has the power to control Israel, things have gotten past that stage long ago. The US is a tool used by the Israelis, they have nothing but contempt for the US, they ridicule the US and for good reason, we've allowed them to use us.

There is no prospect of the US working with the UN to control Israel, absolutely none. Even if the desires was there the US lacks the power, the tentacles of Zionism and its lobbying have been growing in the US for almost a century, it is well entrenched, it is a parasite and we are the host.

The Zionist lobby has a huge influence over US media and news, it dictates what we see and don't see. The US public are deceived, unaware of what Israel really and what it really does.

Israel has nuclear weapons, lots of nuclear weapons, it has threatened to use them in the past. It is so radical, so unaccountable and inflated with pride that it will likely be the first country since WW 2 to use a nuclear weapon.

To see the power of the Zionist Regime look no further than congress where Netanyahu is planning to speak, to tell congress what it must do for Israel, to dictate to use our duties and obligations and watch - we will do its bidding, we are the subservient partner.

It's getting to the stage where the whole rancid State needs to go like Apartheid South Africa did.

 

[rylah]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Deadstick]

This has nothing whatsoever with Jews it's all about the Zionist State of Israel no matter how much you try and make it about Jews.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Really? Germany seems to have a good standard of living, solid economy, even selling bombs to its "friend" Israel now, seems things went very well for Germany.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Really? Germany seems to have a good standard of living, solid economy, even selling bombs to its "friend" Israel now, seems things went very well for Germany.

An excellent point. At the end of WWII, the allies, especially the US, took control of both Germany and Japan until their respective leaderships and populations had been sufficiently deradicalized to allow them to join the civilized world, and now as you point out this deradicalized Germany is bff's with the very countries that had devastated it and one of Israel's strongest supporters.

As Netanyahu pointed out in his speech before Congress, this is what Israel plans to do for the people of Gaza after it has destroyed Hamas' military and governing capabilities, so after the Arabs in Gaza have been deradicalized perhaps they, too, will be able to prosper as the Germans have.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

An excellent point. At the end of WWII, the allies, especially the US, took control of both Germany and Japan until their respective leaderships and populations had been sufficiently deradicalized to allow them to join the civilized world, and now as you point out this deradicalized Germany is bff's with the very countries that had devastated it and one of Israel's strongest supporters.

As Netanyahu pointed out in his speech before Congress, this is what Israel plans to do for the people of Gaza after it has destroyed Hamas' military and governing capabilities, so after the Arabs in Gaza have been deradicalized perhaps they, too, will be able to prosper as the Germans have.

You raise a good many point here. You speak of "deradicalize" in Germany but that wasn't a moral goal, it was a political goal. No victor wants to face a resurgence of a defeated enemy ideology. The US too can hardly serve as a source of "deradicalization" when the US itself is radicalized (see Vietnam, Korea, Laos and so on) also note that "radical" in US foreign policy parlance means "resisting US manipulation" its never about morality.

In fact the US accepted with open arms, war criminals like Von Braun eager to benefit from his war criminal projects under Nazi rule, but Israel had no problem there, Israel stood to gain (and did gain overtly and covertly) from any rocket technology the US developed, so in a roundabout way the Jews who died in Peenemunde did not die in vain, their martyrdom now perversely benefits the Zionist Regime.

I'm not aware of "this is what Israel plans to do for the people of Gaza" where is this plan? if there isn't a plan why did you describe it as such? on what basis did you form a belief in this claim?

 

[toomuchtime_]

You raise a good many point here. You speak of "deradicalize" in Germany but that wasn't a moral goal, it was a political goal. No victor wants to face a resurgence of a defeated enemy ideology. The US too can hardly serve as a source of "deradicalization" when the US itself is radicalized (see Vietnam, Korea, Laos and so on) also note that "radical" in US foreign policy parlance means "resisting US manipulation" its never about morality.

In fact the US accepted with open arms, war criminals like Von Braun eager to benefit from his war criminal projects under Nazi rule, but Israel had no problem there, Israel stood to gain (and did gain overtly and covertly) from any rocket technology the US developed, so in a roundabout way the Jews who died in Peenemunde did not die in vain, their martyrdom now perversely benefits the Zionist Regime.

I'm not aware of "this is what Israel plans to do for the people of Gaza" where is this plan? if there isn't a plan why did you describe it as such? on what basis did you form a belief in this claim?

You raise a good many point here. You speak of "deradicalize" in Germany but that wasn't a moral goal, it was a political goal. No victor wants to face a resurgence of a defeated enemy ideology. The US too can hardly serve as a source of "deradicalization" when the US itself is radicalized (see Vietnam, Korea, Laos and so on) also note that "radical" in US foreign policy parlance means "resisting US manipulation" its never about morality.

In fact the US accepted with open arms, war criminals like Von Braun eager to benefit from his war criminal projects under Nazi rule, but Israel had no problem there, Israel stood to gain (and did gain overtly and covertly) from any rocket technology the US developed, so in a roundabout way the Jews who died in Peenemunde did not die in vain, their martyrdom now perversely benefits the Zionist Regime.

I'm not aware of "this is what Israel plans to do for the people of Gaza" where is this plan? if there isn't a plan why did you describe it as such? on what basis did you form a belief in this claim?

As I stated, Netanyahu stated Israel's plan for Gaza in his speech yesterday before Congress, modeled after the successful US strategy of deradicalizing Germany after WWII so that it could join the civilized world and proper. I wouldn't expect you to be aware of the speech because it happened in the real world and not in the fantasy world in which you live.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Israelis are criminals.

As I stated, Netanyahu stated Israel's plan for Gaza in his speech yesterday before Congress, modeled after the successful US strategy of deradicalizing Germany after WWII so that it could join the civilized world and proper. I wouldn't expect you to be aware of the speech because it happened in the real world and not in the fantasy world in which you live.

Why do you believe Nazinyahu?

Netanyahu, Israel's Leading Pathological Liar - that Haaretz article is from before Oct 7th.

 

[Deadstick]

The Israelis are criminals.

Why do you believe Nazinyahu?

Netanyahu, Israel's Leading Pathological Liar - that Haaretz article is from before Oct 7th.

Congress may as well have invited Hitler.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Congress may as well have invited Hitler.

Yes, it's that blatant, absolutely astonishing how almost everyone in the room is so deluded, so emasculated, powerless even.

 

[rylah]

Question how much of that statistic includes victims of the
infamous "honor killing" by jealous fathers, husbands and brothers...

Homicides in Israeli Arab societies rising at unprecedented rate - study

The study stated that within Israeli Arab society, there were 233 in the last year, which is more than double in 2022 - which was 109.

www.jpost.com

 

[rylah]

This has nothing whatsoever with Jews it's all about the Zionist State of Israel no matter how much you try and make it about Jews.

Sure, just the only Jewish state and majority of Jews actively supporting Israel,
thanks to no less extent to such "rhetoric" as demonstrated in the streets
and social media by mobs of cowardly trolling bullies.

People like you make the best advocates for Israel,
and Zionism in general - that's what Dr. Herzl
understood very well.

 

[rylah]

Really? Germany seems to have a good standard of living, solid economy, even selling bombs to its "friend" Israel now, seems things went very well for Germany.

Interesting, my music teacher described the situation in Germany as "occupied"
a few years ago, when I went to study there. And he's far from supporting any
ideology, rather described the general sentiment of the sane working people.

It's like Egypt, Israelites described seeing it destroyed, yet there it is.
But no one admits how Egypt become the "largest Arab state"...

 

[rylah]

The Israelis are criminals.

Why do you believe Nazinyahu?

Netanyahu, Israel's Leading Pathological Liar - that Haaretz article is from before Oct 7th.

Let's admit we're of opposing Arab imperialism.

When the Israeli PM is a prophet I'll worry about "believing" him.
Meanwhile I prefer my PM to be the most artful mensch in any room.

Al-ard is an opinion piece that parrots anything the anti-Israel fringe wants to hear, having the lowest subscription base than any other publication, with a reputation of endless court orders
to compensate for their lack of journalistic integrity.

Yes, it's that blatant, absolutely astonishing how almost everyone in the room is so deluded, so emasculated, powerless even.

Curious how anyone disagreeing with your position...
must be "emasculated" and unable to think for themselves.

Doesn't project much healthy masculinity or even confidence.

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[Deadstick]

Sure, just the only Jewish state and majority of Jews actively supporting Israel,
thanks to no less extent to such "rhetoric" as demonstrated in the streets
and social media by mobs of cowardly trolling bullies.

People like you make the best advocates for Israel,
and Zionism in general - that's what Dr. Herzl
understood very well.

You can bark all you like, the fact is Zionsism is a political movement not religious more like Mussolini fascism and Nationalism.

 

[rylah]

Gaza's Jewish History - Hebrew Love Poetry​

Ydidi Ro'i Mekimi is a poem composed by Rabbi Yisrael Nagarah (1555 Safed - 1628 Gaza). The piyyut expresses the longing of the Jewish people in exile to their G-d as a flock that yearns for the guiding and supportive hand of the shepherd and for redemption.

Rabbi Yisrael Nagara was the rabbi of Gaza, buried there in an ancient Jewish cemetery, considered one of the greatest Hebrew poets of all times.

My beloved shepherd who raises me up
From being run over people of vanity

Tell me now, to whom have You abandoned a few of the herd
Return to gather Your remote, for they are seed of Your beloved

And see the peace of Your brothers and the peace of the flock

Graze me in the beautiful grass, give pasture over all the blessings
By Your hand, gather the lamb, and carry the young of the herd

Say please my redeemer my rescue, till when is my injustice
Govern me, graze me, the Shepherd of my vanity
And Abel (vanity) was a shepherd

Gather thousands, cover them and rescue them
From the hand of the hater, hasten the redeemer

Also the herd shall pass, and build the Temple and the Hall
And send the messenger of Israel, to say "redeemer came to Zion"
Rachel (ewe) comes with the flock

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[rylah]

Temple Mount Update | SHAVUA TOV & CHODESH TOV FROM THE TEMPLE MOUNT!





GETTING READY: FIRST THE RED HEIFER, AND NOW - THE TEMPLE INSTITUTE IS LOOKING FOR A COMPOSER!​

The Temple Institute has published a call in search of a composer to compose melodies for the singing of the "Shir Shel Yom," the specific psalms sung by the Levitical choir on weekdays and on Shabbat and holidays in the courtyard of the Holy Temple. The Institute promises a modest financial reward to the composer with the hope of performing the winning tune in the future rebuilt Temple.

Some 40 years ago, Rabbi Ariel founded the Temple Institute, and since that time the Institute has been engaged in raising awareness of the Holy Temple among the public in Israel and throughout the world. Among the well known innovations of the Temple Institute are the restoration of the Temple vessels and their public exhibition in the Old City of Jerusalem, importing red heifers from abroad, under the supervision of Rabbi Azaria Ariel, the son of the Institute's founder, in cooperation with other rabbis trained in the laws of the red heifer.
Many generations of school children and Yeshiva students have passed through the Temple Institute and seen with their own eyes the Temple vessels in their true size and shape as they were at the time of the Holy Temple.

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Currently the Temple Institute is focusing on its latest project, the establishment of the Levitical Choir, preparing for the musical aspect, essential to the service In the Holy Temple. Having already mastered the singing of the Hallel psalms of praise, the Temple Institute is appealing to music composers throughout Israel to write appropriate melodies for the "song of the day" psalms - the daily psalm sung by the Levitical Choir during the daily service of the Holy Temple, while standing upon the duchan raised platform in the innermost courtyard of the Holy Temple.
The compositions will be examined by a special committee.

In the ad published by the Institute, it is written that they are inviting musical composers to take part in the revival of the Levitical song and to compose the hymns to be performed by the Levitical Choir. The Institute clarifies that the compositions will be examined by a special committee which will select the appropriate melody and award the composer a modest monetary award.

The Temple Institute also left precise instructions for the composer. For example, not to repeat words, to be careful with the correct pronunciation of the words, and also, that the melody should be divided into three parts to allow for a trumpet blast at the end of each section.
The Temple Institute is also looking for Levites for the fulfilling various tasks in the Holy Temple.
The Temple Institute established a school for Levites where the Levites learn to sing the songs sung by the Levites in the Temple.

Once every two weeks, on Friday, dozens of Levites from all over the country gather regularly at Petach Tikva for rehearsals of the songs to be sung in the future Temple. To this end, renowned music directors of the first rank were recruited who teach the Levites voice development, complex and harmonic singing, new arrangements of the songs are being written, and in the next stage they will also write new melodies, all this alongside the orchestra consisting of many musicians who work hard to learn and practice the accompaniment of the Levites' singing with natural musical instruments.

Reminding all that about a year and a half ago after the arrival of red heifers from abroad to Israel, Rabbi Azaria Ariel of the Temple Institute was interviewed by "Kippa News" and reassured, "The Temple Institute believes in patience, my father founded the institute in 1984 and it has been active for forty years. Let it be understood that we are not standing with a stopwatch in our hand."

מתכוננים: אחרי הפרה האדומה - במכון המקדש מחפשים מלחין - כיפה

במכון המקדש פרסמו קול קורא במטרה למצוא את המלחין שילחין את מזמורי "שיר של יום" אותו הלויים היו אומרים על הדוכן. במכון מבטיחים פרס כספי צנוע למלחין ומקווים בעתיד לעשות שימוש בלחן בבית המקדש

www.kipa.co.il

Temple Mount Update | Perspective on the 'dire straits' period and its calling

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We are in the middle of the three weeks - bein hameitzarim - of mourning and introspection regarding the destruction of the Holy Temple 2,000 years ago, and our need to rebuild it as soon as possible. At the same time Israel is fighting a seven front war for our very existence. Just yesterday the Hezbollah terror subsidiary of Iran fired a missile into Israel killing twelve innocent Druze children playing soccer. Israel will avenge their blood!

"HaShem shall grant strength to His people; HaShem shall bless His people with peace." (Psalms 29:11)

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