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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
 

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
How can you learn anything if you refuse a willingness to learn?
 

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
 
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'Eden Hason - Tzipor Midbar
'Tzipor Midbar' is a desert bird,
song written and by Ze'ev Nehamah.

 

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Weekly Torah Portion - Vayeitze 2020 -
How Can Jews Know When To Return To Israel?


Baruch Gordon looks at the story of Yaakov and Lavan to get the Torah's perspective on when Jews should return to the Land of Israel in modern times. In light of recent anti-Semitic attacks, the lesson we can take away from Yaakov and Lavan's exchange is especially timely.

 
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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
 

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Are you floating a conspiracy theory that Pal'istan is up for grabs?

You are floating a conspiracy theory that neither Egypt nor Israel exist or existed. That was addressed and answered but you chose to retreat into your world of denial and obfuscation.
 
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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Are you floating a conspiracy theory that Pal'istan is up for grabs?

You are floating a conspiracy theory that neither Egypt nor Israel exist or existed. That was addressed and answered but you chose to retreat into your world of denial and obfuscation.
:eusa_doh:
 

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Are you floating a conspiracy theory that Pal'istan is up for grabs?

You are floating a conspiracy theory that neither Egypt nor Israel exist or existed. That was addressed and answered but you chose to retreat into your world of denial and obfuscation.
:eusa_doh:
Indeed, your usual deflection.

Is your conspiracy theory that neither Egypt nor Israel exist or existed a conspiracy theory shared by others you congregate with?
 

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On the 30th of November, Israel and the Jewish world remember the fate of more than 850,000 Jews who were forced out of Arab lands in the 20th Century.

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Obviously, you and those expecing exclusive Arab domination
over the entire middle east, and then some.

Needless to say, this typical resort to ignoring difficult answers to your loaded questions,
and then complain you didn't get a response, instead of actually addressing them,
rather says volumes about your confidence in the ability to rely on sincere and
consistent argumentation. If you pursued a just cause, or intended to show
a valid point with your questions, there wasn't the need for that pretense.
 
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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Obviously, you and those expecing exclusive Arab domination
over the entire middle east, and then some.

Needless to say, this typical resort to ignoring difficult answers to your loaded questions,
and then complain you didn't get a response, instead of actually addressing them,
rather says volumes about your confidence in the ability to rely on sincere and
consistent argumentation. If you pursued a just cause, or intended to show
a valid point with your questions, there wasn't the need for that pretense.
More duck.
 

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Friendships don't matter. That is not the problem.
The problem is that there're too many 3rd parties invested in prolonging the conflict, at the expense of all invovled, purely for their selfish interests and feeling of self-importance.

At some point, one has to have the integrity to say "there's a limit to the value of my opinion and undertanding", especially regarding conflicts in a country one has never visited.

I don't have the habit of dictating my opinions like that to anyone abroad,
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
but you seem to come from the perspective that you know more than the people invovled.
How can I learn anything when you people duck all of my questions?
Obviouly, if you wanted a sincere conversation, or had a valid point,
there wasn't this need to pretend no one gives an answer,
whenever it contradicts your premise.

Why are anti-Israel activists so unsure about their position,
that they have to pretend to hear only answers they like?
Many of my questions remain unanswered. Here is the last one that was ducked.

Who told you that Palestine was up for grabs?
Obviously, you and those expecing exclusive Arab domination
over the entire middle east, and then some.

Needless to say, this typical resort to ignoring difficult answers to your loaded questions,
and then complain you didn't get a response, instead of actually addressing them,
rather says volumes about your confidence in the ability to rely on sincere and
consistent argumentation. If you pursued a just cause, or intended to show
a valid point with your questions, there wasn't the need for that pretense.
More duck.
Is that why you constantly shy away from addressing difficult answers?
Cause so far that's been your main move in every argument.
 

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Jessica Meir aims to be the first woman on the moon

After taking part in a mission to the International Space Station, astronaut Jessica Meir hopes to become the first woman on the moon.

Since astronaut Jessica Meir returned to Earth in April from the International Space Station, she — like all of us — has spent a lot of time indoors and cooped up.

While many of us have spent our confinement dreaming of future trips, Meir is working on her own travel plans to a singular destination: She wants to walk on the moon.

It’s not just a pipe dream.

Meir, the fourth woman of Jewish descent to travel to space, made the Guinness Book of World Records when she and fellow astronaut Christina Koch conducted the first all-female spacewalk — lasting 7 hours, 17 minutes — on Oct. 18, 2019. Not long afterward, the pair did it again.

Named as one of Time magazine’s 100 Most Influential People of 2020, Meir has an interesting Jewish story.

She grew up in Caribou, Maine, the daughter of a Swedish mother and an Iraqi-born Jewish father who immigrated to Israel as a child, fought in the Israeli War of Independence and later moved to Sweden before ending up in the United States. Meir, the youngest of five, also holds Swedish citizenship.

Meir, 43, regularly attended synagogue as a child and feels very connected to Israel. She last visited there four years ago, and she took with her to the space station a postcard from Yad Vashem with a painting by a Holocaust survivor, a medal coined in memory of the late Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon and the Israeli flag.

“My father grew up in Israel, and most of my relatives from my father’s side still live in Israel,” Meir said. “I hope I can visit Israel soon; it is a very important part of my life.”

We sat down recently with Meir for a Zoom interview to talk about her work in space, what it’s like to be a role model for girls and women the world over, and her Jewish connections. Meir talked with us from the NASA Space Center in Houston while wearing her iconic flight suit.

“There are some key moments in becoming an astronaut, one of which is when you first wear your blue flight suit,” Meir said. “This is such an iconic image, which all throughout my childhood I associated the suit with my dream of becoming an astronaut. So, wearing this suit when I’m being interviewed here, or giving a lecture to children – I suddenly realize: ‘Wow, this is me now, I’m the person on the other side, I’m the role model.’ And I take it very seriously.

“It is a very important part of our role as astronauts, to be in touch with the public, to communicate with people and to educate them. This is one of NASA’s key mission statements. So even though it’s still a little hard to believe that I’m the one who inspires others to be like me, I think it’s my duty to continue making that connection and inspire the next generation of researchers.”

But Meir doesn’t take herself too seriously.

My two daughters joined me for the interview, and when my 7-year-old, Tuti, asked if there were any other creatures in space that were “human-like,” Meir answered enthusiastically.

“I was at the space station with a few other crew members, with American, Russian and Italian astronauts. They certainly looked like humans,” she said. “Other than the astronauts and cosmonauts who were with me at the space station, we saw no other life forms or anything that looked like humans.”

She added, “I definitely believe that there are some forms of life in outer space – maybe there were in the past, and maybe they are there right now, or will be in the future. Statistically, if we look at the sheer size of space and the dimensions of space and time, it is very unlikely that we are the only planet where any kind of life has evolved.”

Later, when my 9-year-old, Lihi, wanted to know what it felt like to be in space, Meir talked about how fun it was.

“Ever since I was a child, even younger than you, I have always said I want to be an astronaut. Even the simple act of floating – when you’re in a state of constant weightlessness and floating around – it’s just so much fun,” she said.

“Everything is more fun when you’re floating, whether you just finished eating or fixing something, or doing an experiment, you can just take a moment and float up and down or do some cartwheels in midair, or float around like Superman inside the space station. I think it allows us to feel like children again, to express this cheerfulness which sometimes we lose when we grow up and become adults.”

Aside from the Israeli items Meir took with her to space, she also brought some American Jewish totems with her, including a pair of socks with menorahs (for Hanukkah). In an ode to Jewish grandmothers everywhere, she also baked some cookies while in space, much to the delight of her 250,000 Instagram followers.

In first grade, when Meir was asked to draw what she’d like to be when she grew up, Meir drew an astronaut standing on the moon. At age 13 she enrolled in a NASA summer camp, and at her college graduation her parents held a sign that read ‘Congratulations, space girl!”

But though her path was supposed to lead her straight to aeronautics and space studies, Meir first earned a doctorate in marine biology. Her dissertation focused on the diving physiology of emperor penguins and northern elephant seals, including research expeditions in Antarctica and Northern California.

She described how that experience connects to her space work.

“The topics I was drawn to, the physiology of animals in extreme environments, required work in isolated places such as Antarctica, and were driven by curiosity and the need to explore,” Meir said. “In the end, even though it didn’t seem like the traditional route to becoming an astronaut because I did what I loved I excelled and I was happy. I felt satisfied and made it my career, and it led me to fulfill another dream – reaching outer space.”

Prior to joining NASA, she participated in a joint mission of the space agency and the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. This time she and her friends were themselves the subject of an experiment: As part of their mission, she and a number of other crew members spent six days underwater in a state of saturation diving.

Meir also spent a lot of time researching the physiology of animals in extreme environments, such as penguins, seals and birds that live at high altitudes.

“At that point I was the scientist and researcher – and the animals were the subjects of my research. Now I am the ‘animal’ being experimented on,” Meir said. “I think it’s a natural role we play as astronauts.

“On my mission, the studies in which I was the subject examined how space flight and a micro-gravity environment affect the human body. Understanding these things will allow us to monitor astronauts’ health and will be even more relevant to missions that require a longer stay in space — for example, when we return to the moon and eventually travel to Mars.”

Meir says that her father's Jewish heritage is an important part of her identity. While in space in March, she tweeted a photo of Tel Aviv that she took from space. Earlier in her mission, Meir tweeted a Hanukkah greeting that included a photo of her menorah socks with Earth seen through a window in the background.


 

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PM to first Israir pilot to fly to Dubai: You brought peace closer

PM Netanyahu, Transportation Minister Regev congratulate pilot of first Israir commercial flight to Dubai upon the flight's landing.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu today, together with Transportation Minister Miri Regev and Israir Chief Executive Officer Uri Syrkis spoke to the pilot of the first commercial flight from Israel to Dubai, Chagai Knaan, upon its landing in Dubai.

Prime Minister Netanyahu congratulated the pilot and said: "This is a historic day. You have brought peace closer. This is unbelievable – the embodiment of peace. We see the fruits of peace today as well. When we land in Israel we applaud. I also applaud your landing in Dubai thanks to our wonderful peace agreement, and there will be more. Great congratulations – may you continue over and over."

Minister Regev said: "I would also like to thank you, Prime Minister, for the support and for the great efforts that were made yesterday as well, until the last moments, in order to allow the passage over Saudi Arabia and the possibility that there will be reciprocity in the flights to the UAE and Bahrain with the Emirati and Bahraini companies."



Pilot Knaan responded: "We are grateful and happy for the privilege and for all the actions that have been taken to advance this peace. Mr. Prime Minister, I would also like to applaud. We are very moved over this event. We will have 90 flights to Dubai in December. This is a game changer not just vis-à-vis peace and the region – but for Israeli aviation. On behalf of the clients and all the employees of Israir, I would like to thank you for this."

 

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On the 30th of November, Israel and the Jewish world remember the fate of more than 850,000 Jews who were forced out of Arab lands in the 20th Century.

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Shai Tsabari - Kav Ha'oni ( Line of poverty)

"As if one could draw a line and say: beneath it is poverty
Here is the bread that cheap makeup dyes turn black
And the olives in a small plate on the tablecloth.
In the air, pigeons flew in a salute flight
To the sound of the bell in the hand of the oil seller in the red cart,
And there was also the sound of the rubber boots landing on the muddy ground.
I was a child, in a house called a hut, in a neighborhood that was said to be a transit
The only line I saw was the horizon line
And beneath it all seems poverty".

 

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