Who are the Israelis?

[rylah]

"Operation Left Behind"

"And it shall come to pass that on that day, the Lord shall continue to apply His hand a second time to acquire the rest of His people, that will remain from Assyria and from Egypt and from Pathros and from Cush and from Elam and from Sumeria and from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

And He shall raise a banner to the nations, and He shall gather the lost of Israel, and the scattered ones of Judah He shall gather from the four corners of the earth." (Yeshayahu 11)

 

[Mindful]

Jewish History

Elul 11

In 1950, Operation Magic Carpet, which secretly airlifted 45,000 Yemenite Jews to Israel, was concluded. Many of the Jews had never before seen an airplane; they likened the ride to a fulfillment of the biblical verse, "And I bore you on eagles' wings" (Exodus 19:4).

According to tradition, Jews had lived in Yemen since the 7th century BCE. Upon arriving in Israel they were housed in tent camps; there was very little infrastructure and resources to accommodate them, as the Jewish population of Israel nearly doubled in its first three years. Yet within a short time, the immigrants had been absorbed into the fledgling Israeli society.

 

[rylah]

From Ashes to Glory - Jewish life in eastern Jerusalem is growing

Screened at the 25th Annual Tisha beAv Walk around the Old city Walls by the Sovereignty Movement founded by Women in Green August 2019 http://www.ribonut.co.il/?lang=2

 

[Mindful]

Bernie Sanders finally came to the subject his audience was most keen to hear about: Israel. Sanders first offered the usual bland pro forma reassurances, to show he was nothing if not fair-minded: “I am a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist in independence, peace, and security.” How nice. He supports Israel’s right to exist. Should supporters of Israel be grateful? What other country has to be grateful when assured that it has a right to exist? And as an independent state? And in peace? Goodness, what more could any nation want? And security? My, what concessions.

Then came the take-away, in every sense: “But I also believe that the United States needs to engage in an even-handed approach toward that longstanding conflict which results in ending the Israeli occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to have self-determination in a sovereign, independent, economically-viable state of their own.”

What does Sanders mean by “Israeli occupation”? Not a single Israeli has been in Gaza since 2005. Almost all of them had left by 1997. Gaza isn’t “occupied.” What about the West Bank? Does Bernie Sanders know what was supposed to happen to the West Bank? It was assigned by the League of Nations to be part of the territory of the future Jewish National Home, that would eventually become the State of Israel. The Jordanian army managed to hold onto the West Bank when the guns stopped firing in 1949; that is the only reason the West Bank was not part of Israel from the very beginning of the state. Juridically, its status did not change: it was still part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home. The Jordanian occupation did not change that. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, Israel by force of arms came into possession of the West Bank. It could at long last enforce its preexisting claim to land that had been assigned to the Jews as part of the Mandate for Palestine.

Bernie Sanders at the Islamic Society of North America (Part 3)

 

[Shusha]

Bernie Sanders finally came to the subject his audience was most keen to hear about: Israel. Sanders first offered the usual bland pro forma reassurances, to show he was nothing if not fair-minded: “I am a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist in independence, peace, and security.” How nice. He supports Israel’s right to exist. Should supporters of Israel be grateful? What other country has to be grateful when assured that it has a right to exist? And as an independent state? And in peace? Goodness, what more could any nation want? And security? My, what concessions.

Then came the take-away, in every sense: “But I also believe that the United States needs to engage in an even-handed approach toward that longstanding conflict which results in ending the Israeli occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to have self-determination in a sovereign, independent, economically-viable state of their own.”

What does Sanders mean by “Israeli occupation”? Not a single Israeli has been in Gaza since 2005. Almost all of them had left by 1997. Gaza isn’t “occupied.” What about the West Bank? Does Bernie Sanders know what was supposed to happen to the West Bank? It was assigned by the League of Nations to be part of the territory of the future Jewish National Home, that would eventually become the State of Israel. The Jordanian army managed to hold onto the West Bank when the guns stopped firing in 1949; that is the only reason the West Bank was not part of Israel from the very beginning of the state. Juridically, its status did not change: it was still part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home. The Jordanian occupation did not change that. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, Israel by force of arms came into possession of the West Bank. It could at long last enforce its preexisting claim to land that had been assigned to the Jews as part of the Mandate for Palestine.

Bernie Sanders at the Islamic Society of North America (Part 3)

Its time to stop framing this conflict as something Israel can solve. Time to require the Arab Palestinians to take responsibility for their own future. Israel's mantra should be: "The negotiating table is set and ready for you. What time would you like to schedule a meeting for?"

 

[rylah]

Bernie Sanders finally came to the subject his audience was most keen to hear about: Israel. Sanders first offered the usual bland pro forma reassurances, to show he was nothing if not fair-minded: “I am a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist in independence, peace, and security.” How nice. He supports Israel’s right to exist. Should supporters of Israel be grateful? What other country has to be grateful when assured that it has a right to exist? And as an independent state? And in peace? Goodness, what more could any nation want? And security? My, what concessions.

Then came the take-away, in every sense: “But I also believe that the United States needs to engage in an even-handed approach toward that longstanding conflict which results in ending the Israeli occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to have self-determination in a sovereign, independent, economically-viable state of their own.”

What does Sanders mean by “Israeli occupation”? Not a single Israeli has been in Gaza since 2005. Almost all of them had left by 1997. Gaza isn’t “occupied.” What about the West Bank? Does Bernie Sanders know what was supposed to happen to the West Bank? It was assigned by the League of Nations to be part of the territory of the future Jewish National Home, that would eventually become the State of Israel. The Jordanian army managed to hold onto the West Bank when the guns stopped firing in 1949; that is the only reason the West Bank was not part of Israel from the very beginning of the state. Juridically, its status did not change: it was still part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home. The Jordanian occupation did not change that. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, Israel by force of arms came into possession of the West Bank. It could at long last enforce its preexisting claim to land that had been assigned to the Jews as part of the Mandate for Palestine.

Bernie Sanders at the Islamic Society of North America (Part 3)

Its time to stop framing this conflict as something Israel can solve. Time to require the Arab Palestinians to take responsibility for their own future. Israel's mantra should be: "The negotiating table is set and ready for you. What time would you like to schedule a meeting for?"

To whom would You expect Israel turn with such a suggestion and for what purpose?
I'd like examples.

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Uri 'Amos Sherki - How to deal with the Arab terror?

I'll tell You unpopular things.
Everyone talks about that following all the incidents, people have awakened, prayer, unity in the nation, million of emotions, how we are a nation that sanctifies mercy and they sanctify the death, and all such things...a feeling of evacuation of Gush Katif.

These things are good, I'm not saying anything against, only that there's a missing of the main point. The main point is that (they) don't know what to do. Right?

And then "we'll catch them, show them get them into jail or kill them or don't know what. And we'll cancel their infrastructure of the militants" etc.

It's like if You cross on a red light, the judge gives You, a yeshiva student, a punishment to not enter disco for 5 years. It doesn't deter. As a matter of fact to get killed, to fight them, for them it's a victory.

This is not what deters, and our prayers neither deter them, nor that we say we're better than them, that doesn't even scratch them. So we need to know what is from the point of view of our enemies a defeat.

Whoever commits any attack, You take him and his village as they are and move them to another country, to Gaza. And the houses as they are You give to Jews to make a village. There, not anywhere by, there.

That's all.

And it should be mentioned that we're discussing a tribal society, the minute one group moved to another place, they will finish them there. Very simple.

Such a thing is loss of territory, from their point of view this is the defeat. There's a need to know what's in the head of the adversary.

To kill him is not a defeat at all, because it's his thing, not because of the virgins, because it's his thing, his thing to go out to wars. And as long as we don't act like this, these incidents will unfortunately repeat.

 

[Shusha]

Bernie Sanders finally came to the subject his audience was most keen to hear about: Israel. Sanders first offered the usual bland pro forma reassurances, to show he was nothing if not fair-minded: “I am a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist in independence, peace, and security.” How nice. He supports Israel’s right to exist. Should supporters of Israel be grateful? What other country has to be grateful when assured that it has a right to exist? And as an independent state? And in peace? Goodness, what more could any nation want? And security? My, what concessions.

Then came the take-away, in every sense: “But I also believe that the United States needs to engage in an even-handed approach toward that longstanding conflict which results in ending the Israeli occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to have self-determination in a sovereign, independent, economically-viable state of their own.”

What does Sanders mean by “Israeli occupation”? Not a single Israeli has been in Gaza since 2005. Almost all of them had left by 1997. Gaza isn’t “occupied.” What about the West Bank? Does Bernie Sanders know what was supposed to happen to the West Bank? It was assigned by the League of Nations to be part of the territory of the future Jewish National Home, that would eventually become the State of Israel. The Jordanian army managed to hold onto the West Bank when the guns stopped firing in 1949; that is the only reason the West Bank was not part of Israel from the very beginning of the state. Juridically, its status did not change: it was still part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home. The Jordanian occupation did not change that. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, Israel by force of arms came into possession of the West Bank. It could at long last enforce its preexisting claim to land that had been assigned to the Jews as part of the Mandate for Palestine.

Bernie Sanders at the Islamic Society of North America (Part 3)

Its time to stop framing this conflict as something Israel can solve. Time to require the Arab Palestinians to take responsibility for their own future. Israel's mantra should be: "The negotiating table is set and ready for you. What time would you like to schedule a meeting for?"

To whom would You expect Israel turn with such a suggestion and for what purpose?
I'd like examples.

Well, I don't think of it as a proposal, so much as an automated response. Along the lines of quietly speaking to a four-year-old. "Yes, son, I'd be happy to help you make lunch. Just as soon as you stop jumping up and down and screaming and sit down at the table."

Or, because that is infantilizing, I'll reword to say its all about holding good boundaries with someone who has a history of violating them. You calmly re-iterate that you will gladly help them solve their problem, as soon as they can calmly sit down and address the problem.

As to when to say it? Whenever anyone talks about "ending the occupation" or "Arab Palestinian sovereignty".

"We'd be happy to discuss it, when did you want to have the first meeting?"

 

[rylah]

Bernie Sanders finally came to the subject his audience was most keen to hear about: Israel. Sanders first offered the usual bland pro forma reassurances, to show he was nothing if not fair-minded: “I am a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist in independence, peace, and security.” How nice. He supports Israel’s right to exist. Should supporters of Israel be grateful? What other country has to be grateful when assured that it has a right to exist? And as an independent state? And in peace? Goodness, what more could any nation want? And security? My, what concessions.

Then came the take-away, in every sense: “But I also believe that the United States needs to engage in an even-handed approach toward that longstanding conflict which results in ending the Israeli occupation and enabling the Palestinian people to have self-determination in a sovereign, independent, economically-viable state of their own.”

What does Sanders mean by “Israeli occupation”? Not a single Israeli has been in Gaza since 2005. Almost all of them had left by 1997. Gaza isn’t “occupied.” What about the West Bank? Does Bernie Sanders know what was supposed to happen to the West Bank? It was assigned by the League of Nations to be part of the territory of the future Jewish National Home, that would eventually become the State of Israel. The Jordanian army managed to hold onto the West Bank when the guns stopped firing in 1949; that is the only reason the West Bank was not part of Israel from the very beginning of the state. Juridically, its status did not change: it was still part of the territory assigned to the Jewish National Home. The Jordanian occupation did not change that. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, Israel by force of arms came into possession of the West Bank. It could at long last enforce its preexisting claim to land that had been assigned to the Jews as part of the Mandate for Palestine.

Bernie Sanders at the Islamic Society of North America (Part 3)

Its time to stop framing this conflict as something Israel can solve. Time to require the Arab Palestinians to take responsibility for their own future. Israel's mantra should be: "The negotiating table is set and ready for you. What time would you like to schedule a meeting for?"

To whom would You expect Israel turn with such a suggestion and for what purpose?
I'd like examples.

Well, I don't think of it as a proposal, so much as an automated response. Along the lines of quietly speaking to a four-year-old. "Yes, son, I'd be happy to help you make lunch. Just as soon as you stop jumping up and down and screaming and sit down at the table."

Or, because that is infantilizing, I'll reword to say its all about holding good boundaries with someone who has a history of violating them. You calmly re-iterate that you will gladly help them solve their problem, as soon as they can calmly sit down and address the problem.

As to when to say it? Whenever anyone talks about "ending the occupation" or "Arab Palestinian sovereignty".

"We'd be happy to discuss it, when did you want to have the first meeting?"

They're not my children, but their enemies.
And as far as I know psychotherapists usually deal with dangerous psychopaths expecting an eventual positive reward, they're not just setting an open shop in their homes for serial killers to be treated pro bono.

 

[Shusha]

They're not my children, but their enemies.
And as far as I know psychotherapists usually deal with dangerous psychopaths expecting an eventual positive reward, they're not just setting an open shop in their homes for serial killers to be treated pro bono.

I hear you. It may not seem like it in this limited forum, but I do. But we can't keep seeing every Arab as an enemy. Let alone as dangerous psychopaths. Yes, I agree with you that their culture is poisoned. Yes, we must keep that poison away from our children. Yes, we must protect our children from their violence. No question.

But, if Arabs are not to be our enemies forever, (and we should be striving for that outcome) someone must start requiring them to act better, by refusing to engage with them except when they act in a calm, rational and respectful manner. If that day never comes, so be it. But if it does, we must have the table set and ready and the tea kettle on.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They're not my children, but their enemies.
And as far as I know psychotherapists usually deal with dangerous psychopaths expecting an eventual positive reward, they're not just setting an open shop in their homes for serial killers to be treated pro bono.

I hear you. It may not seem like it in this limited forum, but I do. But we can't keep seeing every Arab as an enemy. Let alone as dangerous psychopaths. Yes, I agree with you that their culture is poisoned. Yes, we must keep that poison away from our children. Yes, we must protect our children from their violence. No question.

But, if Arabs are not to be our enemies forever, (and we should be striving for that outcome) someone must start requiring them to act better, by refusing to engage with them except when they act in a calm, rational and respectful manner. If that day never comes, so be it. But if it does, we must have the table set and ready and the tea kettle on.

Israel is talking to the wrong people. Abbas is ten years past his four year term and 80% of the Palestinians want him to resign. Abbas and his cabal of old farts can sign anything they want but they will not be able to sell it to the Palestinians.

 

[Hollie]

They're not my children, but their enemies.
And as far as I know psychotherapists usually deal with dangerous psychopaths expecting an eventual positive reward, they're not just setting an open shop in their homes for serial killers to be treated pro bono.

I hear you. It may not seem like it in this limited forum, but I do. But we can't keep seeing every Arab as an enemy. Let alone as dangerous psychopaths. Yes, I agree with you that their culture is poisoned. Yes, we must keep that poison away from our children. Yes, we must protect our children from their violence. No question.

But, if Arabs are not to be our enemies forever, (and we should be striving for that outcome) someone must start requiring them to act better, by refusing to engage with them except when they act in a calm, rational and respectful manner. If that day never comes, so be it. But if it does, we must have the table set and ready and the tea kettle on.

Israel is talking to the wrong people. Abbas is ten years past his four year term and 80% of the Palestinians want him to resign. Abbas and his cabal of old farts can sign anything they want but they will not be able to sell it to the Palestinians.

Abbas should make way for the Iranian controlled Islamic jihad cabal. Everything will be fine.

 

[rylah]

They're not my children, but their enemies.
And as far as I know psychotherapists usually deal with dangerous psychopaths expecting an eventual positive reward, they're not just setting an open shop in their homes for serial killers to be treated pro bono.

I hear you. It may not seem like it in this limited forum, but I do. But we can't keep seeing every Arab as an enemy. Let alone as dangerous psychopaths. Yes, I agree with you that their culture is poisoned. Yes, we must keep that poison away from our children. Yes, we must protect our children from their violence. No question.

But, if Arabs are not to be our enemies forever, (and we should be striving for that outcome) someone must start requiring them to act better, by refusing to engage with them except when they act in a calm, rational and respectful manner. If that day never comes, so be it. But if it does, we must have the table set and ready and the tea kettle on.

Israel is talking to the wrong people. Abbas is ten years past his four year term and 80% of the Palestinians want him to resign. Abbas and his cabal of old farts can sign anything they want but they will not be able to sell it to the Palestinians.

It's nice that You're still doing the Arafat dance,
pretending we don't see his daily TV broadcasts in Arabic.

 

[rylah]

This Man Literally Invented a Major Part of the Internet! #339

 

[Shusha]

Israel is talking to the wrong people. Abbas is ten years past his four year term and 80% of the Palestinians want him to resign. Abbas and his cabal of old farts can sign anything they want but they will not be able to sell it to the Palestinians.

And this is EXACTLY why Palestine can not be considered a State. There is no one with whom Israel can form a treaty. They lack the ability to form a government and the capacity to enter into agreements with other States.

 

[P F Tinmore]

and the capacity to enter into agreements with other States.

Sure they do. Oslo with Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no one with whom Israel can form a treaty.

Sure there is. Israel will not talk to them.

 

[Shusha]

There is no one with whom Israel can form a treaty.

Sure there is. Israel will not talk to them.

Whom would that be?

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no one with whom Israel can form a treaty.

Sure there is. Israel will not talk to them.

Whom would that be?

Do you really want a list? There would have to be a team.

I would love to see the negotiations televised with archives on Youtube.

 

[Hollie]

There is no one with whom Israel can form a treaty.

Sure there is. Israel will not talk to them.

Whom would that be?

Do you really want a list? There would have to be a ream.

I would love to see the negotiations televised with archives on Youtube.

Please. Not more YouTube videos.