Who are the Israelis?

[Shusha]

RE: Who are the Israelis?

That would be a "domestic question.

Would Palestine be considered a state as part of the "keep citizenship of another state"?

(COMMENT)

Technically, the acquisition of territory and nationality/citizenship are two separate issues. Yes, there are such things as "dual citizenship holders."

The international concern on the matter revolves around the question of a person who is not considered as a national by any State. The international community takes a dim view in cases where the actions result in the creation of stateless people. It renders a financial burden and questionable upon others.

The mechanism could be citizenship by default, meaning they are automatically in the window. Or, domestic law may require a filing of intention, where there would be a specified period (usually less than a year) in which those persons enveloped by the territorial acquisition, would declare intentions and make an application for new citizenship.

The State of Israel does not necessarily have to annex the territory. They could extend protectorate status as unincorportated; similar to American Samoa or Puerto Rico.

Most Respectfully,
R

One of the basics in international law is that the people belong to the land. An old American Indian saying is that "The land does not belong to the people, the people belong to the land." The people belong to the land regardless of who governs it. We find this reiterated in the Treaty of Lausanne, The citizenship order of 1925, UN Resolution 181, and everywhere else.

Many other laws hinge on this basic principle like ethnic cleansing and population transfers, denationalization, denying the right to return. These push the burden of people onto other states who have no responsibility to accept foreign nationals.

So how would you apply this thinking to rylah’s list?

His list is a Zionist pipe dream. It has no relevance.

It’s irrelevamt because you don’t think Israel can accomplish it?!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

"Israel has better title in the territory of what was Palestine, including the whole of Jerusalem . . ." -- Stephen Schwebel, President of the International Court of Justice (1997-2000)

What Did David Friedman Say That Was New?

 

[Shusha]

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

Well, no. She pleaded guilty to the lesser act of "exploiting the mistake of another person" and will be fined and made to pay back the funds used inappropriately.

The judge states: "The deal reached between the sides is worthy and appropriately reflects the deeds and their severity on the criminal level."

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Shusha, et al,

Yes, I see the dilemma. And the necessity to guard against the fruition...

You see the dilemma, then?

So, what you’ve created are ACTUAL refugees. Not the fake ones we’ve been discussing for years, but actual ones. Who have no nationality and would be deported from their home state.

How do you propose to solve that issue?

(COMMENT)

Like I said before, at the end of the day, it is an Israeli "domestic question" → as long as the solution does not aggravate the Convention that strives to prevent the "stateless."

As long as the general Arab Community (even though they say nothing) that the containment of the Arabs of Palestine is better for the Regional Security, all the better for Israel. And it seems that for the moment, the Arabs of Palestine (in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip) have no immediate plans for negotiating a peace and turning away from a policy of Armed Struggle, the Israelis have time (and should not rush to extend Israeli sovereignty over the territory any further) to formulate a plan that will satisfy the International Community.

But it is a domestic decision until it creates what should not be created.

Additionally, the Israelis should remember the reasoning behind the various security countermeasures. Right now, the status of the Arabs of Palestine is that they are NOT citizens. Once that distinction is negated, the security countermeasures will have to be lifted. Otherwise, they will (without question) be determined an institutionalized regime extending oppression and domination by Arab Palestinian Citizens with the intention of maintaining the State of Israel.

The Israels do not have any order of political capital to sustain a situation like that. It is not (in my opinion) in the best interest (domestically, politically, economically → or even security wise) of Israel to consider extending Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria.

Before they do that, the Israelis need to invest in the Arabs of Palestine as people with every kind of initiative they can think of, invest until it hurt and then some more. It will pay off in the long run.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Religion in the Holy Land.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

Israeli Court Convicts Benjamin Netanyahu’s Wife of Fraud

This is what sometimes happens in a democracy. No one is above the law, not even the First Lady.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[USAF 2023]

Religion in the Holy Land.

RELIGION IN THE HOLY LAND

PA officials: Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall

Keep posting


https://www.itraveljerusalem.com/ent/?ent-type=jewish-holy-sites

 

[rylah]

Religion in the Holy Land.

What a perverted caricature.
Let me make a wild guess, by one of our Religion of Peace folks, Mahjoob.

If this was actually the reality, much would look better in that part of the world.
Meanwhile the reality is that Israel is a tiny reservation, the only non-Muslim country,
in the entire middle east.

 

[Mindful]

Reasons why peaceful resolutions to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail.
by Tawfik Hamid
August 1, 2019 at 5:00 am

Reasons Why Peaceful Resolutions for the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail

• The cause of the problem is NOT the land. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, several Arab nations were created by fiat. The Arab world accepted this without any problem, as these were Muslim-majority countries. Rejecting the state of Israel was related to the fact that it is a Jewish rather than a Muslim country.
  
  
• In this manner, despite the clear discrimination against non-Muslim minorities in most of the Arab and Muslim world (denying equal rights in church construction, for example), many in the Arab world point the finger only at Israel when they talk about discrimination.
  
  
• The European Union is currently funding a study into Palestinians textbooks, brought about by the findings of the non-governmental organization IMPACT-se, which found in May that "the new Palestinian school [material] for the 2018–19 academic year... was 'more radical than those previously published.'" ... Meanwhile, no one is being educated for peace.
  
  
• When we add onto all that the sad reality that Palestinian politicians are using the conflict to get billions of dollars in donations, we can understand why this conflict has so far not been solved.
  

 

[rylah]

"And HaShem spoke to Mosheh in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying:
Speak to the children of Israel and say to them: When you cross the Jordan into the land of Canaan, you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, destroy all their temples, destroy their molten idols, and demolish their high places.

You shall clear out the Land and settle in it, for I have given you the Land to occupy it.
You shall give the Land as an inheritance to your families by lot; to the large, you shall give a larger inheritance and to the small you shall give a smaller inheritance; wherever the lot falls shall be his; according to the tribes of your fathers, you shall inherit.

But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the Land from before you, then those whom you leave over will be as spikes in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they will harass you in the land in which you settle. And it will be that what I had intended to do to them, I will do to you."

(Bamidbar chapter 50)

 

[USAF 2023]

Alan Dershowitz went off on this anti-Israel student and it was EPIC

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Reasons why peaceful resolutions to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail.
by Tawfik Hamid
August 1, 2019 at 5:00 am

Reasons Why Peaceful Resolutions for the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail

• The cause of the problem is NOT the land. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, several Arab nations were created by fiat. The Arab world accepted this without any problem, as these were Muslim-majority countries. Rejecting the state of Israel was related to the fact that it is a Jewish rather than a Muslim country.
  
  
• In this manner, despite the clear discrimination against non-Muslim minorities in most of the Arab and Muslim world (denying equal rights in church construction, for example), many in the Arab world point the finger only at Israel when they talk about discrimination.
  
  
• The European Union is currently funding a study into Palestinians textbooks, brought about by the findings of the non-governmental organization IMPACT-se, which found in May that "the new Palestinian school [material] for the 2018–19 academic year... was 'more radical than those previously published.'" ... Meanwhile, no one is being educated for peace.
  
  
• When we add onto all that the sad reality that Palestinian politicians are using the conflict to get billions of dollars in donations, we can understand why this conflict has so far not been solved.

No justice, no peace.

 

[Hollie]

Reasons why peaceful resolutions to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail.
by Tawfik Hamid
August 1, 2019 at 5:00 am

Reasons Why Peaceful Resolutions for the Arab-Israeli Conflict Always Fail

• The cause of the problem is NOT the land. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, several Arab nations were created by fiat. The Arab world accepted this without any problem, as these were Muslim-majority countries. Rejecting the state of Israel was related to the fact that it is a Jewish rather than a Muslim country.
  
  
• In this manner, despite the clear discrimination against non-Muslim minorities in most of the Arab and Muslim world (denying equal rights in church construction, for example), many in the Arab world point the finger only at Israel when they talk about discrimination.
  
  
• The European Union is currently funding a study into Palestinians textbooks, brought about by the findings of the non-governmental organization IMPACT-se, which found in May that "the new Palestinian school [material] for the 2018–19 academic year... was 'more radical than those previously published.'" ... Meanwhile, no one is being educated for peace.
  
  
• When we add onto all that the sad reality that Palestinian politicians are using the conflict to get billions of dollars in donations, we can understand why this conflict has so far not been solved.

No justice, no peace.

Ya Allah. Justice delivered.

IDF strikes Hamas targets in Gaza in response to earlier rocket attack

 

[rylah]

Make Aliyah Now & Create a Torah State

 

[rylah]

Guy Bechor on progressive Judaism in the US.

 

[rylah]

Will Millions of Anusim return to Judaism? Chapter 2

 

[rylah]

Inspiring: Arutz Sheva greets the Nefesh B'Nefesh Olim

And it will be, when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curse which I have set before you that you will consider in your heart, among all the nations where the Lord your God has banished you, and you will return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul, and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you this day you and your children, then, the Lord, your God, will bring back your exiles, and He will have mercy upon you. He will once again gather you from all the nations, where the Lord, your God, had dispersed you.

Even if your exiles are at the end of the heavens, the Lord, your God, will gather you from there, and He will take you from there. And the Lord, your God, will bring you to the land which your forefathers possessed, and you [too] will take possession of it, and He will do good to you, and He will make you more numerous than your forefathers. (Devarim 11)