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For that matter, whites don't speak for blacks or browns either.
Well somebody better speak for the Blacks....Aside from Frederick Douglass who was a God Fearing conservative all these guys have is the likes of Malcom X, MLK the plagiarizer and Rodney King. I mean...dude....help.
 

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This is for you too.

One of the great speeches of all time was delivered at the Asian Law Caucus Banquet in April of 1990, by Dr. Mari J. Matsuda. I was not there to hear the speech. I read it one day online. I wish I had been there. This was a powerful speech, a call out to the pride and history of her people. The title was: “We Will Not Be Used: Are Asian-Americans the Racial Bourgeoisie?” I have cited excerpts from this speech.

There is a tendency by white racists to use Asians as the "Model Minority", ignoring the fact that Asians haven't had things like Genocide and Slavery as part of their American experience.
Exactly. The racists purposefully ignore a whole lot of things then try to argue. And when tey are losing, then it's time for the gaslighting. So predictable.

The good news is, if you voted for Biden, you get to keep being black. Congrats!
 

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This is for you too.

One of the great speeches of all time was delivered at the Asian Law Caucus Banquet in April of 1990, by Dr. Mari J. Matsuda. I was not there to hear the speech. I read it one day online. I wish I had been there. This was a powerful speech, a call out to the pride and history of her people. The title was: “We Will Not Be Used: Are Asian-Americans the Racial Bourgeoisie?” I have cited excerpts from this speech.

There is a tendency by white racists to use Asians as the "Model Minority", ignoring the fact that Asians haven't had things like Genocide and Slavery as part of their American experience.
Exactly. The racists purposefully ignore a whole lot of things then try to argue. And when tey are losing, then it's time for the gaslighting. So predictable.

The good news is, if you voted for Biden, you get to keep being black. Congrats!
HE is lowering all the academic standards so they too can get a trophy. So far all the academic trophies keep going to them damned miniscule Asian hobbits! God does IM2 ever hate them for that! Reparations! Reparations I tell ya! All you have to do is answer a few very simply math questions!
 

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This is for you too.

One of the great speeches of all time was delivered at the Asian Law Caucus Banquet in April of 1990, by Dr. Mari J. Matsuda. I was not there to hear the speech. I read it one day online. I wish I had been there. This was a powerful speech, a call out to the pride and history of her people. The title was: “We Will Not Be Used: Are Asian-Americans the Racial Bourgeoisie?” I have cited excerpts from this speech.

“Living in 19th century Europe, Marx thought mostly in terms of class. Living in 20th century America, in the land where racism found a home, I am thinking about race. Is there a racial equivalent of the economic bourgeoisie? I fear there may be, and I fear it may be us.

If white, historically, is the top of the racial hierarchy in America, and black, historically, is the bottom, will yellow assume the place of the racial middle? The role of the racial middle is a critical one. It can reinforce white supremacy if the middle deludes itself into thinking it can be just like white if it tries hard enough. Conversely, the middle can dismantle white supremacy if it refuses to be the middle, if it refuses to buy into racial hierarchy, if it refuses to abandon communities of Black and Brown people, choosing instead to form alliances with them.”


She continues:

When Asian-Americans manage to do well, their success is used against others. Internally, it is used to erase the continuing poverty and social dislocation within Asian-American communities. The media is full of stories of Asian-American whiz kids. Their successes are used to erase our problems and to disavow any responsibility for them. The dominant culture doesn’t know about drug abuse in our communities, about our high school dropouts, our AIDS victims.

Suggestions that some segments of the Asian-American community need special help are greeted with suspicion and disbelief. External to our communities, our successes are used to deny racism and to put down other groups. African-Americans and Latinos and poor whites are told, “look at those Asians — anyone can make it in this country if they really try.” The cruelty of telling this to crack babies, to workers displaced by runaway shops, and to families waiting in line at homeless shelters, is not something I want associated with my genealogy.


There is more:

Yes, my ancestors made it in this country, but they made it against the odds. In my genealogy and probably in yours, are people who went to bed hungry, who lost land to the tax collector, who worked to exhaustion and ill-health, who faced pain and relocation with the bitter stoicism we call, in Japanese, “gaman.” Many who came the hard road of our ancestors didn’t make it. Their bones are still in the mountains by the tunnels they blasted for the railroad, still in the fields where they stooped over the short-handled hoe, still in the graveyards of Europe, where they fought for a democracy that didn’t include them. Asian success was success with a dark, painful price.

To use that success to discount the hardship facing poor and working people in this country today is a sacrilege to the memory of our ancestors. It is an insult to today’s Asian-American immigrants, who work the double-triple shift, who know no leisure, who crowd two and three families to a home, who put children and old-folks alike to work at struggling family businesses or at home doing piece-work until midnight. Yes, we take pride in our success, but we should also remember the cost. The success that is our pride is not to be given over as a weapon to use against other struggling communities. I hope we will not be used to blame the poor for their poverty.


Still, there is more:

Nor should we be used to deny employment or educational opportunities to others. A recent exchange of editorials and letters in the Asian-American press reveals confusion over affirmative action. Racist anti-Asian quotas at the universities can give quotas a bad name in our community. At the same time, quotas have been the only way we’ve been able to walk through the door of persistently discriminatory institutions like the San Francisco fire department.

We need affirmative action because there are still employers who see an Asian face and see a person unfit for a leadership position. In every field where we have attained a measure of success, we are underrepresented in the real power positions. And yet, we are in danger of being manipulated into opposing affirmative action by those who say affirmative action hurts Asian-Americans.


She goes on to say:

What’s really going on here? When university administrators have secret quotas to keep down Asian admissions, this is because Asians are seen as destroying the predominantly white character of the university. Under this mentality, we can’t let in all those Asian over-achievers and maintain affirmative action for other minority groups. We can’t do both because that will mean either that our universities lose their predominantly white character, or that we have to fund more and better universities. To either of those prospects, I say, “why not?” And I condemn the voices from our own community that are translating legitimate anger at ceilings on Asian admissions into unthinking opposition to affirmative action floors needed to fight racism.

In a period when rates of educational attainment for minorities and working class Americans are going down, in a period when America is lagging behind other developed nations in literacy and learning, I hope we will not be used to deny educational opportunities to the disadvantaged and to preserve success only for the privileged.


The crescendo:

I love my Asian brothers, but I’ve lost my patience with malingering homophobia and sexism, and especially with using white racism as an excuse to resist change. You know, the “I have to be Bruce Lee because the white man wants me to be Tonto” line. Yes, the J-town boys with their black leather jackets are adorable, but the pathetic need to put down straight women, gays, and lesbians is not. To anyone in our communities who wants to bring their anger home, let’s say, “cut it out.” We will not be used against each other.

If you know Hawaiian music, you know of the ha’ina line that tells of a song about to end. This speech is about to end. It will end by recalling echoes of Asian-American resistance.

In anti-eviction struggles in Chinatowns from coast to coast and in Hawaii we heard the song, “We Shall Not Be Moved.” For the 90’s, I want to sing, “We Shall Not Be Used.” I want to remember the times when Asian-Americans stood side-by-side with African-Americans, Latinos, and progressive whites to demand social justice. I want to remember the multi-racial ILWU (International Longshoremen and Warehousemen’s Workers’ Union) that ended the plantation system in Hawaii. I want to remember the multi-racial sugar beet strikes in California that brought together Japanese, Filipino and Chicano workers to fulfill their dreams of a better life. I want to remember the American Committee for the Protection of the Foreign Born that brought together progressive Okinawan, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and European immigrants to fight McCarthyism and deportation of political activists. I want to remember the San Francisco State College strike, and the Asian-American students who stood their ground in a multi-racial coalition to bring about ethnic studies and lasting changes in American academic life, changes that make it possible for me, as a scholar, to tell the truth as I see it.


How about school choice to benefit minority students?


Why not end anti-Asian discrimination by liberal academics?


Why not condemn Marxists who have killed so many Asians?


Why not condemn violence directed at Asians?

 

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How about school choice to benefit minority students?

Because "School Choice" doesn't work, it just costs money and drains resources. School Choice was never about choice, it was about defunding public schools.

Why not end anti-Asian discrimination by liberal academics?

This would be the case where they got no Asian students to actually testify they had been discriminated against?

Here's the thing. There's already "affirmative action" for White people. They are called legacies and donors.
 
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How about school choice to benefit minority students?

Because "School Choice" doesn't work, it just costs money and drains resources. School Choice was never about choice, it was about defunding public schools.

Why not end anti-Asian discrimination by liberal academics?

This would be the case where they got no Asian students to actually testify they had been discriminated against?

Here's the thing. There's already "affirmative action" for White people. They are called legacies and donors.
Why would anyone oppose school choice? They don’t want want to be able to choose the best school for their kids?! Only a few useless bureaucrats oppose school choice because they don’t want competition. Competent educators have nothing to fear from competition. The only schools that would be defunded would be the bad ones no parents & children chose.

Why do you favor anti-Asian bigotry? Consider the facts about Asians and discrimination:
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Why would anyone oppose school choice? They don’t want want to be able to choose the best school for their kids?! Only a few useless bureaucrats oppose school choice because they don’t want competition. Competent educators have nothing to fear from competition. The only schools that would be defunded would be the bad ones no parents & children chose.

Actually, school choice will just become another entitlement program for white people. The problem with school choice is that it works both ways. The private schools aren't going to take kids with learning disabilities, kids with disciplinary problems or children of color.

Why do you favor anti-Asian bigotry? Consider the facts about Asians and discrimination:

Except enrollment went up for every other group, too.

The point is, if you want to get rid of affirmative action, that's fine. Let's also get rid of college admissions for legacies, athletes and donors and make it PURELY on academic achievement.

When all those rich people were buying college admissions in the Varsity Blues scandal, who do you think they were displacing? Yup, over achieving Asian kids who had to go to UIC instead of Harvard.

What you want to do is perpetuate the inequities in the educational system because they benefit you. Stop trying to hide behind Asians who weren't complaining to start with.
 
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I make it a point not to speak for anyone.
 

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Why would anyone oppose school choice? They don’t want want to be able to choose the best school for their kids?! Only a few useless bureaucrats oppose school choice because they don’t want competition. Competent educators have nothing to fear from competition. The only schools that would be defunded would be the bad ones no parents & children chose.

Actually, school choice will just become another entitlement program for white people. The problem with school choice is that it works both ways. The private schools aren't going to take kids with learning disabilities, kids with disciplinary problems or children of color.

Why do you favor anti-Asian bigotry? Consider the facts about Asians and discrimination:

Except enrollment went up for every other group, too.

The point is, if you want to get rid of affirmative action, that's fine. Let's also get rid of college admissions for legacies, athletes and donors and make it PURELY on academic achievement.

When all those rich people were buying college admissions in the Varsity Blues scandal, who do you think they were displacing? Yup, over achieving Asian kids who had to go to UIC instead of Harvard.

What you want to do is perpetuate the inequities in the educational system because they benefit you. Stop trying to hide behind Asians who weren't complaining to start with.
What? Of course private schools accept children of color! Regarding special needs students, private schools could be incentivized to accept such students. Schools might receive a bonus.


I never mentioned white students at all. I in no way support rich white people cheating their way into elite universities: Who is William Rick Singer, the college admissions cheating scandal's alleged ringleader?

Why do you support discrimination against Asians?
 

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Why would anyone oppose school choice? They don’t want want to be able to choose the best school for their kids?! Only a few useless bureaucrats oppose school choice because they don’t want competition. Competent educators have nothing to fear from competition. The only schools that would be defunded would be the bad ones no parents & children chose.

Actually, school choice will just become another entitlement program for white people. The problem with school choice is that it works both ways. The private schools aren't going to take kids with learning disabilities, kids with disciplinary problems or children of color.

Why do you favor anti-Asian bigotry? Consider the facts about Asians and discrimination:

Except enrollment went up for every other group, too.

The point is, if you want to get rid of affirmative action, that's fine. Let's also get rid of college admissions for legacies, athletes and donors and make it PURELY on academic achievement.

When all those rich people were buying college admissions in the Varsity Blues scandal, who do you think they were displacing? Yup, over achieving Asian kids who had to go to UIC instead of Harvard.

What you want to do is perpetuate the inequities in the educational system because they benefit you. Stop trying to hide behind Asians who weren't complaining to start with.
What? Of course private schools accept children of color! Regarding special needs students, private schools could be incentivized to accept such students. Schools might receive a bonus.


I never mentioned white students at all. I in no way support rich white people cheating their way into elite universities: Who is William Rick Singer, the college admissions cheating scandal's alleged ringleader?

Why do you support discrimination against Asians?

"What? Of course private schools accept children of color!"

Many Catholic families joined the middle-class exodus from blighted communities, and few such schools were fund in the suburbs. “…middle-class Irish and Italian families started moving to the suburbs, leaving urban Catholic schools to cater to a majority of lower-income blacks and Hispanics.” http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929589,00.html#ixzz0fid3CTtg


  1. Urban parochial schools were serving a growing share of disadvantaged and frequently non-Catholic youngsters. In a study published in 1990, for example, the Rand Corporation found that, of the Catholic school students in these Catholic high schools in New York City, 75 to 90 percent were black or Hispanic.
Over 66 percent of the Catholic school graduates received the New York State Regents diploma to signify completion of an academically demanding college preparatory curriculum, while only about 5 percent of the public school students received this distinction;

The Catholic high schools graduated 95 percent of their students each year, while the public schools graduated slightly more 50 percent of their senior class;

The Catholic school students achieved an average combined SAT score of 803, while the public school students' average combined SAT score was 642;

60 percent of the Catholic school black students scored above the national average for black students on the SAT, and over 70 percent of public school black students scored below the same national average.

« More recent studies confirm these observations. http://www.heritage.org/research/urbanissues/bg1128.cfm
 

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What? Of course private schools accept children of color! Regarding special needs students, private schools could be incentivized to accept such students. Schools might receive a bonus.

They might, it doesn't mean they will.

I never mentioned white students at all. I in no way support rich white people cheating their way into elite universities: Who is William Rick Singer, the college admissions cheating scandal's alleged ringleader?

Why do you support discrimination against Asians?

You miss the point, dummy. You can't say, "let's get rid of these set-asides for blacks" while leaving these set asides for white people (Legacies, Donors, athletics).

The thing is, you can be a legacy and get into Harvard or Yale and still be a complete fucking Moron.

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So, yes, if a legacy can get in before a smart Asian kid, then a black kid who worked really hard to get good grades should get in, too.

The Asian kid can go to UIC and he'll still be just fine.
 
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For that matter, whites don't speak for blacks or browns either.
Well somebody better speak for the Blacks....Aside from Frederick Douglass who was a God Fearing conservative all these guys have is the likes of Malcom X, MLK the plagiarizer and Rodney King. I mean...dude....help.
Frederick Douglass was no conservative. He was a member of the Radical Republican portion of the republican party. He would be considered a liberal today. Do your research boy, just because the word republican is used doesn't mean the party was controlled by the same types 150 years ago as are now. Todays republican party would be led by Jefferson Davis. Malcolm X and King is all you know. You are ignorant about blacks.

Marcus Garvey Speech​

 

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What? Of course private schools accept children of color! Regarding special needs students, private schools could be incentivized to accept such students. Schools might receive a bonus.

They might, it doesn't mean they will.

I never mentioned white students at all. I in no way support rich white people cheating their way into elite universities: Who is William Rick Singer, the college admissions cheating scandal's alleged ringleader?

Why do you support discrimination against Asians?

You miss the point, dummy. You can't say, "let's get rid of these set-asides for blacks" while leaving these set asides for white people (Legacies, Donors, athletics).

The thing is, you can be a legacy and get into Harvard or Yale and still be a complete fucking Moron.

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So, yes, if a legacy can get in before a smart Asian kid, then a black kid who worked really hard to get good grades should get in, too.

The Asian kid can go to UIC and he'll still be just fine.
I know you are subliterate, but try to concentrate. I don’t support rich white kids unfairly sneaking into elite universities.

Now please tell us why you are an anti-Asian bigot. What is it about your warped personality that causes you to cling to racist hate?
 

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I know you are subliterate, but try to concentrate. I don’t support rich white kids unfairly sneaking into elite universities.

but you're not terribly upset about it. Not as upset as you are about a black kid getting into an elite university on Affirmative Action.

Now please tell us why you are an anti-Asian bigot. What is it about your warped personality that causes you to cling to racist hate?

Except nothing is being taken away from an Asian kid by letting a black kid in.

The thing is Asians weren't brought over here in chains and experienced centuries of slavery followed by decades of Jim Crow. In fact, most of them came here voluntarily.

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Also, do you give a Japanese the same treatment as a Filipino? That wouldn't seem fair, as Japan is a fairly advanced country, while the Philippines are a poor one (made worse by American Colonial exploitation).
 
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I know you are subliterate, but try to concentrate. I don’t support rich white kids unfairly sneaking into elite universities.

but you're not terribly upset about it. Not as upset as you are about a black kid getting into an elite university on Affirmative Action.

Now please tell us why you are an anti-Asian bigot. What is it about your warped personality that causes you to cling to racist hate?

Except nothing is being taken away from an Asian kid by letting a black kid in.

The thing is Asians weren't brought over here in chains and experienced centuries of slavery followed by decades of Jim Crow. In fact, most of them came here voluntarily.

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Also, do you give a Japanese the same treatment as a Filipino? That wouldn't seem fair, as Japan is a fairly advanced country, while the Philippines are a poor one (made worse by American Colonial exploitation).
Many Asians suffered as much as anyone at the hands of Communist dictators. This suffering occurred much more recently than U.S. slavery.


Also consider that many African Americans have ancestors who were slave owners, both black and white. And many African immigrants have ancestors who profited off the slave trade.


Why do you want to condemn black children to lousy schools? Why do you want to deprive these children of opportunity? Rich white people can choose their schools. Why not give black kids and parents the same opportunity?
 
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Many Asians suffered as much as anyone at the hands of Communist dictators. This suffering occurred much more recently than U.S. slavery.

Okay, let's look at that.

The Twenty-first United States Census, conducted in 1990, recorded 6.9 million people who were called American Asians.[35] The largest ethnic groups were Chinese (23.8 percent), Filipino (20.4 percent), Japanese (12.3 percent), Indian (11.8 percent), Korean (11.6 percent), Vietnamese (8.9 percent), and Laotian (2.2 percent).[35] Smaller populations, of less than two percent, were documented of the following ethnicities: Cambodian, Thai, Hmong, Pakistani, Indonesian, Malay, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, and Burmese.

Okay, so out of all those groups, Only the Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodians suffered from "Eek, Communism". And most of the Chinese came here before China became Communist, but let's not worry about that so much. It's less than 40% of all Asian Americans... not that it matters, it really isn't our fault their countrymen choose Communism.

Also consider that many African Americans have ancestors who were slave owners, both black and white. And many African immigrants have ancestors who profited off the slave trade.

Most African Americans have ancestors who were slave owners because they raped their slaves! Holy fuck, I can't believe you actually said this out loud!

Why do you want to condemn black children to lousy schools? Why do you want to deprive these children of opportunity? Rich white people can choose their schools. Why not give black kids and parents the same opportunity?

Because it doesn't work. The private schools don't want the poor inner city kids, and giving a parent a voucher doesn't suddenly make them give a shit.

Now, I was a product of Catholic schools, and as much as I hate religion with a passion that would blot out suns, I have to admit, they did an okay job with me. (Compared to my brother, who went to the same schools, and can't compose a coherent sentence. Oh, by the way, he's a Trump supporter!). But part of the reason why I was successful is that my parents were committed. They were putting up their own money, and they made sure I did my homework and were involved in my progress.

You give a voucher to a poor parent who just sees school as 8 hours of day care, that voucher isn't going to do much good.
 

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Many Asians suffered as much as anyone at the hands of Communist dictators. This suffering occurred much more recently than U.S. slavery.

Okay, let's look at that.

The Twenty-first United States Census, conducted in 1990, recorded 6.9 million people who were called American Asians.[35] The largest ethnic groups were Chinese (23.8 percent), Filipino (20.4 percent), Japanese (12.3 percent), Indian (11.8 percent), Korean (11.6 percent), Vietnamese (8.9 percent), and Laotian (2.2 percent).[35] Smaller populations, of less than two percent, were documented of the following ethnicities: Cambodian, Thai, Hmong, Pakistani, Indonesian, Malay, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, and Burmese.

Okay, so out of all those groups, Only the Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodians suffered from "Eek, Communism". And most of the Chinese came here before China became Communist, but let's not worry about that so much. It's less than 40% of all Asian Americans... not that it matters, it really isn't our fault their countrymen choose Communism.

Also consider that many African Americans have ancestors who were slave owners, both black and white. And many African immigrants have ancestors who profited off the slave trade.

Most African Americans have ancestors who were slave owners because they raped their slaves! Holy fuck, I can't believe you actually said this out loud!

Why do you want to condemn black children to lousy schools? Why do you want to deprive these children of opportunity? Rich white people can choose their schools. Why not give black kids and parents the same opportunity?

Because it doesn't work. The private schools don't want the poor inner city kids, and giving a parent a voucher doesn't suddenly make them give a shit.

Now, I was a product of Catholic schools, and as much as I hate religion with a passion that would blot out suns, I have to admit, they did an okay job with me. (Compared to my brother, who went to the same schools, and can't compose a coherent sentence. Oh, by the way, he's a Trump supporter!). But part of the reason why I was successful is that my parents were committed. They were putting up their own money, and they made sure I did my homework and were involved in my progress.

You give a voucher to a poor parent who just sees school as 8 hours of day care, that voucher isn't going to do much good.
I see you are one those dopes who downplay the evils of Communism.

Look at the facts: The Black Book of Communism — Stéphane Courtois, Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartošek, Jean-Louis Margolin, Mark Kramer

Does the fact that black slaves were raped by white slave owners change the fact that their progeny carry slave owner DNA? Yes or no?

You are talking nonsense as usual. Private schools already educate many poor inner city kids. Private schools, like all businesses, are happy to get more customers.

You seem to hold racist views about black inner city parents. You feel they don’t care about their children.

Does your devotion to anti-Asian discrimination equal your hate and contempt for black people?
 

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