While we're at it, Palestinians really did get kicked out of their homes to create Israel in 1948

[ninja007]

hate to tell the leftist jew haters but artifacts and the land itself has shown jews have lived in Israel for well over 3000 years.

 

[OldFlame]

You might just as well discuss with a Nazi - that fellow will also tell you, that what Hitler and the NSDAP did was correct - after-all they needed to protect Germans and the German nation from their enemies - incl. Jews. Germany clearly had a right to exist. And Germany and it's surroundings had been settled by Germanic and Celtic tribes just as long or even before that monotheistic Semitic sect - started to destroy and conquer Canaanite and Egyptian cities and territory.

Like the Jews they also had a self-written book - that tells the truth and only the truth, they didn't call it The Bible or Torah - but Mein Kampf.

Zionists are the same bunch as Nazis - using a racial/religious dogma to justify their doings and misdeeds.

You're a hateful bigot, a piece of shit.

 

[Kruska]

You're a hateful bigot, a piece of shit.

Stop looking into the mirror when you write your Nazi hate speeches.

 

[Kruska]

hate to tell the leftist jew haters but artifacts and the land itself has shown jews have lived in Israel for well over 3000 years.

Only a moron will yap about what supposedly happened 3000 years ago.

Fact is:
1917 Balfour Deceleration

20,000 Jews living in British Palestine
640,000 Palestinian/Arabs and Christians, living in British Palestine

 

[DBA]

Stop the lack of knowledge about history.

Israel is not responsible for 103 years of a few Arab clans refusal to live in peace with Jews with the Jews having their own Nation on their Ancient homeland.

Arabs refused twice a division, in 1937 and 1947 and declared war four times after that.

The Arabs do not want Jews to have their own Nation on what they consider to be land conquered by Muslims.

It was not conquered by Arabs, but by Muslim Kurds, and then the Ottoman Muslims.


Keeping Extremist Muslims from murdering all the Jews and destroying Israel is not being complicit against Palestinians.

Palestinian leaders do not want peace with Israel, they say it on a daily basis for all to hear.

Do you realize you are arguing with fellow lefties. Now you know how we feel arguing against the instance polices of Democrats.

As I previously pointed out, YOUR party elected at LEAST 8 of these types to Congress. Both parties have extremists, but when you party elects 8 extemists to Congress, maybe they aren’t such outliers afterall. To be honest, the overwhelming majority of non-Jewish Democrats are at the very least neutral on the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The overwhelming majority of Republicans are on the side of Israel. Think on that a bit before casting your next vote for a Democrat.

 

[surada]

Land purchases​

KKL collection boxes to fund land purchases in Palestine were distributed among Jews from 1904
In the first half of the 19th century, no foreigners were allowed to purchase land in Palestine.[citation needed] This was official Ottoman policy until 1856 and in practice until 1867.[8] When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers. It also took issue with the Jews, as many came from Russia, which sought the empire's demise.[9] In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine.[9] In 1892, the Ottoman government decided to prohibit the sale of land in Palestine to Jews, even if they were Ottoman citizens.[10] Nevertheless, during the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many successful land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Company and the Jewish National Fund.


Jewish rabbis purchasing land from an Arab landowner, 1920s.

The Ottoman Land Code of 1858 "brought about the appropriation by the influential and rich families of Beirut, Damascus, and to a lesser extent Jerusalem and Jaffa and other sub-district capitals, of vast tracts of land in Syria and Palestine and their registration in the name of these families in the land registers".[11]

Many of the fellahin did not understand the importance of the registers and therefore the wealthy families took advantage of this.[citation needed] Jewish buyers who were looking for large tracts of land found it favorable to purchase from the wealthy owners.[citation needed] As well many small farmers became in debt to rich families which led to the transfer of land to the new owners and then eventually to the Jewish buyers.[citation needed]

According to Palestinian-American anthropologist Nasser Abufarha, "In 1858 the Ottoman Authority introduced the law of tabu to fix rights of ownership of the land. Land owners were instructed to have their property inscribed in the land register. The tabu was resisted by the fellahin. They saw a threat to their community in registering their land for two main reasons: 1) the cultivated fields were classified as ardh ameriyeh (the land of the Emarit) and were taxed. Owners of registered fertile land were forced to pay tax on it; 2) data from the land register were used by the Turkish Army for the purpose of the draft. Owners of registered lands were often drafted to fight with the Turkish Army in Russia."[12]

In 1918, after the British conquest of Palestine, the military administration closed the Land Register and prohibited all sale of land. The Register was reopened in 1920, but to prevent speculation and ensure a livelihood for the fellahin, an edict was issued forbidding the sale of more than 300 dunams of land or the sale of land valued at more than 3000 Palestine pounds without the approval of the High Commissioner.[13]

From the 1880s to the 1930s, most Jewish land purchases were made in the coastal plain, the Jezreel Valley, the Jordan Valley and to a lesser extent the Galilee.[11] This was due to a preference for land that was cheap and without tenants.[11] There were two main reasons why these areas were sparsely populated. The first reason being when the Ottoman power in the rural areas began to diminish in the seventeenth century, many people moved to more centralized areas to secure protection against the Bedouin tribes.[11] The second reason for the sparsely populated areas of the coastal plains was the soil type. The soil, covered in a layer of sand, made it impossible to grow the staple crop of Palestine, corn.[11] As a result, this area remained uncultivated and underpopulated.[5] "The sparse Arab population in the areas where the Jews usually bought their land enabled the Jews to carry out their purchase without engendering a massive displacement and eviction of Arab tenants".[11]

In the 1930s, most of the land was bought from landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, 52.6% were bought from non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian landowners, 13.4% from government, churches, and foreign companies, and only 9.4% from fellaheen (farmers).[14]

On 31 December 1944, out of 1,732.63 dunums of land owned in Palestine by large Jewish Corporations and private owners, about 44% was in possession of Jewish National Fund. The table below shows the land ownership of Palestine by large Jewish Corporations (in square kilometres) on 31 December 1945.



(full article online)

Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By 1948 the Jewish immigrants had purchased 7% of the land.

 

[munkle]

hate to tell the leftist jew haters but artifacts and the land itself has shown jews have lived in Israel for well over 3000 years.

Are you saying the houses weren't stolen?

 

[ninja007]

Are you saying the houses weren't stolen?

what houses?

 

[ninja007]

Only a moron will yap about what supposedly happened 3000 years ago.

Fact is:
1917 Balfour Deceleration

20,000 Jews living in British Palestine
640,000 Palestinian/Arabs and Christians, living in British Palestine

so the jews who own the land- you want them to give it away to the religion who wants them all killed? and move exactly where? why dont their fellow muslims who surround Israel take the palestinians in?

 

[Kruska]

so the jews who own the land- you want them to give it away to the religion who wants them all killed? and move exactly where?

No one wanted them killed in Palestine before the Balfour Deceleration - Name me incidents were Jews during Ottoman rule (around 400 years) were persecuted or killed in Palestine due to being Jews. You have reasons to believe that the Ottomans or anyone else was or could be bothered about 15,000 Jews living in an area that comprises today's Israel, Jordan and Southern Lebanon?

why dont their fellow muslims who surround Israel take the palestinians in?

Why should they? It's not their people. Why don't you take in all Mexicans? then they don't need to come as migrants and illegals into the USA. BTW, they are indeed the same people that you have in Texas, Arizona, New-Mexico, California, etc.

You obviously got no clue as to the ethnic composition of the Middle-East - e.g. Palestinians, Palestinian-Arabs, Bedouin-Arabs and non-Arabs.

 

[MinTrut]

It is a myth that it was just empty desert and mean Arabs just don't want Jews to have a home. The miracle is it is still on wikipedia.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war.[9] The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba,[10][11] in which between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed, village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning,[12][13] and other sites subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names,[14] and also refers to the wider period of war itself and the subsequent oppression up to the present day"

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Tel Aviv was called Jaffa before 1948. How many Americans giving billions in foreign aid to Israel even know that?



Jaffa pre 1948

Thank you for posting this.

 

[munkle]

Thank you for posting this.

you're welcome

 

[Roudy]

It is a myth that it was just empty desert and mean Arabs just don't want Jews to have a home. The miracle is it is still on wikipedia.

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war.[9] The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba,[10][11] in which between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed, village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning,[12][13] and other sites subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names,[14] and also refers to the wider period of war itself and the subsequent oppression up to the present day"

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Tel Aviv was called Jaffa before 1948. How many Americans giving billions in foreign aid to Israel even know that?



Jaffa pre 1948

Ha ha ha, that was a good joke.

 

[munkle]

Ha ha ha, that was a good joke.

 

[munkle]

what houses?

These houses.

 

[Roudy]

These houses.

I don’t see what the problem is. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people.

What Is the Meaning of Zion in the Bible?

The ancient Hebrew word Tsiyon (Zion) is “a Canaanite hill fortress in Jerusalem captured by David and called in the Bible ‘City of David.’" Zion can refer to one of three places: the hill where the most ancient areas of Jerusalem stood; the city of Jerusalem itself; or the dwelling place of God.

www.christianity.com

What Is the Meaning of Zion in the Bible?​

The ancient Hebrew word Tsiyon (Zion) is “a Canaanite hill fortress in Jerusalem captured by David and called in the Bible ‘City of David.’" Zion can refer to one of three places: the hill where the most ancient areas of Jerusalem stood; the city of Jerusalem itself; or the dwelling place of God.

In summary, "Zion" in the Bible is a term that encompasses both a physical location in Jerusalem and a rich array of spiritual and symbolic meanings. It is closely associated with the presence of God, His kingdom, and His ultimate plan for salvation and redemption. The concept of Zion has played a significant role in the religious and prophetic thought of the biblical texts and continues to hold importance in various religious traditions today.

Zion Definition​

The ancient Hebrew word Tsiyon (Zion) is “a Canaanite hill fortress in Jerusalem captured by David and called in the Bible ‘City of David.’"

According to Patheos.com, Zion also means “mountain,” another term for “governments or nations,” but biblical writers often mean “the mountain of the Lord, […] the Rock of Israel” from Isaiah 30:29b. Mount Zion represents “the Kingdom of God” in Revelation 21 and “looks ahead to the New Jerusalem that will descend out of heaven.”

Zion can refer to one of three places: the hill where the most ancient areas of Jerusalem stood; the city of Jerusalem itself; or the dwelling place of God.

 

[munkle]

I don’t see what the problem is. Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish people.

That thought process is the problem. Israel is not to come into existence until the Messiah. Not before. Read your Torah. Not the Talmud, which is satanic.

 

[MinTrut]

That thought process is the problem. Israel is not to come into existence until the Messiah. Not before. Read your Torah. Not the Talmud, which is satanic.

O no you didden!

 

[Roudy]

That thought process is the problem. Israel is not to come into existence until the Messiah. Not before. Read your Torah. Not the Talmud, which is satanic.

I’d rather go with what both Judaism and Christianity say, which is that tribes of Jews gather in Israel and rebuild the temple, they are attacked, and then he comes and saves both Israel and the world.

In other words, your beloved Islamonazis will be crushed by Israel.

 

[munkle]

I’d rather go with what both Judaism and Christianity say, which is that tribes of Jews gather in Israel and rebuild the temple, they are attacked, and then he comes and saves both Israel and the world.

In other words, your beloved Islamonazis will be crushed by Israel.

Big ignorance of Torah.