While we are protecting Ownership, democrats are making guns useless....

[M14 Shooter]

Let the record show that Billy_Bob can’t back up what he/she claims.
In short, he/she is full of crap.

Whatever you say, Tonto.
Raid a Pawnee village lately? Rape their horses and ride off on their women?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Let the record show that Billy_Bob can’t back up what he/she claims.
In short, he/she is full of crap.

Yelling and screaming at the sky is not helping your argument. Thanks for playing....

 

[Hellbilly]

Yelling and screaming at the sky is not helping your argument. Thanks for playing....

At least now I know you are full of shit.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Declaration of Independence was very clear on the second amendment and why it exists.

Excerp:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--"

Source: Declaration of Independence


The states have no purview over weapons. The term "shall not be infringed" means exactly that. Hands off.. as it is a right that no one can touch, not even the states.

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The Milita counter argument fails when the terminology of the time is used (CONTEXT).

The militia was we the people... "Well Regulated" means they are trained, supplied, and armed.

The whole purpose of the 2nd amendment is made clear in the federalist papers. IT was meant to allow citizens to protect their GOD GIVEN RIGHTS from men wanting to take them. We had just defeated a corrupt government and king who wanted to deprive them of their rights. This is why they made it very clear "the right of the people to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, Shall not be infringed."

TO KEEP is to own..

TO BEAR is to have the ammunitions, spare parts, and training necessary to protect their GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

Our right is being taken away through the back door. By making it hard to obtain the ammunitions, gun powders, brass, projectiles, primers, and spare parts they are infringing on this sacred right enshrined in our constitution. Biden and democrats are making the ownership of these weapons a useless gesture as we have fought so hard to keep that right. Now we must get back the other half of the right they have taken from us.

We have been so focused on the right to keep we have let them steal the ability to keep them operational right from under our noses. Biden and democrats have stopped the US from importing gun powders thus making people who reload and use specialty weapons, useless.

No, conservatives are just lying – as usual.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Another second amendment activist shoots up some place and your first impulse is to to pull out all your silly fantasies as the sole argument why nothing can ever be done about it. Do you have any practical arguments at all?

Of course not.

All conservatives have are lies and demagoguery.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Of course not.
All conservatives have are lies and demagoguery.

^^^^
Lies, from a demagogue.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No, conservatives are just lying – as usual.

^^^
A lie, from a liberal.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The current attack on our 2nd amendment right is being done by the back door. The left has quietly stopped us from obtaining gun powders, Brass, projectiles, and spare parts for our weapons. This is clearly an attack on our right to BEAR ARMS.

More lies, more demagoguery.

There is no ‘attack’ on the Second Amendment.

There’s no nefarious conspiracy to restrict reloading supplies, quietly or otherwise.

indeed, it’s rightwing lies and demagoguery that’s contributing to the shortage of reloading supplies, the panic buying and hoarding for no valid reason.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There is no ‘attack’ on the Second Amendment.

More lies, more demagoguery.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The point I am trying get across here is that your fantasies of civil wars against a tyrannical government are not rational. If you were truthful you would just say that you like having guns because they make you feel safe.

Correct.

Or one just likes guns, no need for ‘justification.’

In addition to fantasies of civil wars against a tyrannical government not being rational, they're also devoid of any Constitutional merit; there is nothing in the history, text, or caselaw of the Second Amendment that supports insurrectionist dogma, nothing that authorizes armed private citizens to ‘overthrow’ a lawfully elected government through violence based on the wrongheaded perception that government has become ‘tyrannical.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

My own views of this issue are irrelevant because you are not interested. I'm telling you people what is wrong with your arguments. It's not even a discussion anyone can have with you people because you think doing anything at all is some nefarious plot to take away your precious guns.

It’s also about the politics of guns.

Conservatives use lies and demagoguery about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscations’ to keep the Republican base frightened, angry, and going to the polls.

Most on the right don’t believe their lies about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscation.’

And if they do, they are indeed being delusional.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It’s also about the politics of guns.
Conservatives use lies and demagoguery about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscations’ ...

This can only true if Conservatives know Democrats are lying about that the gun laws they want.
Why do Democrats lie about the gun laws they want?

 

[toobfreak]

Biden and democrats have stopped the US from importing gun powders

What? Do I see a major lawsuit coming?!

 

[surada]

Fantasy??

No. This was a right clearly defined to protect our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. The only fantasy here is yours, thinking you can stop people from protecting themselves from people like you.

Who has threatened you?

 

[Hollie]

Of course not.

All conservatives have are lies and demagoguery.

This fails as an appeal to hasty generalization fallacy.