Where is the ACLU Re Swift Vets Freedom Of Speech?

[Bonnie]

Shouldn't they be coming to the rescue of these men since their frredom of speech is being challenged by Kerry, a man who wants to be president?????

 

[007]

Shouldn't they be coming to the rescue of these men since their frredom of speech is being challenged by Kerry, a man who wants to be president?????

ARE YOU KIDDING??!!


The aclu work against a liberal? That's against their agenda.

 

[Zhukov]

Come on. We have a humor section ya'know.

 

[acludem]

No one is questioning this group's freedom of speech. The question was is this group violating law by pretending to be an issue group when they were tied to a candidate campaign. That's up the FEC to decide.

This group has the right to say whatever they want, whether it is appropriate and/or factual is for the voters to decide.

acludem

 

[freeandfun1]

. . . . only whether George Bush is going to support their ads, which he clearly does.

How have YOU determined that Bush is supporting their ads? Why not get outraged about Kerry and camps support of Moveon.org, etc?

you prove once again the ACLU's double standard. Maybe they will give you a promotion!

 

[Bonnie]

So then on what grounds is Kerry threatening to sue the book publisher and anyone else accociated with these Vets?? Sounds like supression of free speech to me.

 

[acludem]

I believe it's called Libel and Defamation of Character, both of which are grounds for a lawsuit.

Moveon.com doesn't pretend to be neutral. They unabashadly support John Kerry, and they unabashadly support Democratic candidates.

acludem

 

[Bonnie]

ARE YOU KIDDING??!!


The aclu work against a liberal? That's against their agenda.

I was attempting to be sarcastic with that post, but I failed to make that obvious............ :coffee3: LOL

 

[Bonnie]

I believe it's called Libel and Defamation of Character, both of which are grounds for a lawsuit.

Moveon.com doesn't pretend to be neutral. They unabashadly support John Kerry, and they unabashadly support Democratic candidates.

acludem

Just so I have you right here.......Move on is not liable for a defamation of character lawsuit because they openly claim they are in co-hoots with Kerry, but because the Swift Vets claim to be non-partisan they are liable even though they were there and saw with their own eyes Kerry's outright lying???????

 

[Zhukov]

No one is questioning this group's freedom of speech. The question was is this group violating law by pretending to be an issue group when they were tied to a candidate campaign. That's up the FEC to decide.

This group has the right to say whatever they want, whether it is appropriate and/or factual is for the voters to decide.

acludem

Sen. Kerry has called for the President to take these ads off the air. Considering that neither the President, nor his re-election campaign, are responsible for the ads, Sen. Kerry is demanding that the President suspend the First Ammendment rights of the Swiftboat Vets Against Kerry organization by denying them the right to express their political opinion in whatever fashion they wish.

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on Saturday night urged President Bush to "stand up and stop" what he called personal attacks on him over his combat record in Vietnam.

"That's why they're attacking my credibility. That's why they've personally gone after me. The president needs to stand up and stop that."

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=70371

 

[Merlin1047]

Moveon.com doesn't pretend to be neutral. They unabashadly support John Kerry, and they unabashadly support Democratic candidates.

acludem

And that, of course, gives them license to lie their sorry asses off. Why not? The kerry campaign has done it every day for months.

 

[insein]

I believe it's called Libel and Defamation of Character, both of which are grounds for a lawsuit.

Moveon.com doesn't pretend to be neutral. They unabashadly support John Kerry, and they unabashadly support Democratic candidates.

acludem

Really? They seem to think they are non-partisan.

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Sounds like they are suffering from an indetity crisis then. You claim they have clearly supported Kerry and yet they seem to think they are Non-Partisan.

Besides that fact, what difference does it make if they are supporting Kerry as to whether or not their statements have been libelous? They have stated many lies through million dolalr ads to the public and no one in the media or on the left has raised a single question of concern. Now we have 250 veterans of which 60 of them have given affidavits that state what they saw in Vietnam as being libelous because 1 of their contributors is a Republican?

I have to ask you even though i already know the answer, acludem. Do you know the meaning of the word hypocracy?

 

[Avatar4321]

No one is questioning this group's freedom of speech. The question was is this group violating law by pretending to be an issue group when they were tied to a candidate campaign. That's up the FEC to decide.

This group has the right to say whatever they want, whether it is appropriate and/or factual is for the voters to decide.

acludem

Wait a minute. Who the heck cares if someones free speech violates a law. I would be thinking the ACLU would jump on this in another attempt to get McCain Fiengold overturnerd.

 

[KarlMarx]

I believe it's called Libel and Defamation of Character, both of which are grounds for a lawsuit.

Moveon.com doesn't pretend to be neutral. They unabashadly support John Kerry, and they unabashadly support Democratic candidates.

acludem

I believe it will never come to that because if Kerry were to sue, he would have to prove all the things he claims in a court of law. Most of those claims are, shall we say, questionable?

As for defamation of character....let's start with all the claims by Senator Kennedy, MoveOn.org, Howard Dean ad infinitum that have claimed in no uncertain terms that Bush lied in order to get us involved in a war. A charge that is continually repeated by members of the Left when the Bush Administration has repeatedly proven that Bush did not lie to anyone. I think that compared to the issue of Kerry's Vietnam service raised by the Bush capaign, the incessant charges of Bush lying are far more serious. If anyone has grounds to sue, it would be George W. Bush.

 

[Bonnie]

I believe it will never come to that because if Kerry were to sue, he would have to prove all the things he claims in a court of law. Most of those claims are, shall we say, questionable?

As for defamation of character....let's start with all the claims by Senator Kennedy, MoveOn.org, Howard Dean ad infinitum that have claimed in no uncertain terms that Bush lied in order to get us involved in a war. A charge that is continually repeated by members of the Left when the Bush Administration has repeatedly proven that Bush did not lie to anyone. I think that compared to the issue of Kerry's Vietnam service raised by the Bush capaign, the incessant charges of Bush lying are far more serious. If anyone has grounds to sue, it would be George W. Bush.

Lest we not forget the lovely comparisons of Bush and Hitler by those same groups......And good ol Ted standing shoulder to shoulder with Bush when signing the education bill........I guess we just give Teddy a pass because he's completely out of his mind??????

 

[Bullypulpit]

Shouldn't they be coming to the rescue of these men since their frredom of speech is being challenged by Kerry, a man who wants to be president?????

They tend to let folks who commit of libel and slander swing in the breeze.

 

[insein]

They tend to let folks who commit of libel and slander swing in the breeze.

Then why do they usually side with Democrats?

 

[007]

I was attempting to be sarcastic with that post, but I failed to make that obvious............ :coffee3: LOL

I know you were Bon. I was adding to it. I guess failed to make that obvious too... :tng:

 

[007]

The point in all of this is PAINFULLY obvious... liberals want to, and for the most part do, say anything damn thing they want about any damn person or thing they want, and they don't want to hear any damn thing back about any damn thing they said.


BUT... when a CONSERVATIVE says something that a LIBERAL doesn't LIKE, LOOK THE HELL OUT, because they only people that are allowed to BAD MOUTH people are LIBERALS. Conservatives aren't allowed to do that!

And that's the way liberals have had it for DECADES!! With the liberal media giving the President his daily ass kicking, with those commie fucking radicals the aclu giving Christianity it's daily ass kicking, with the liberal freak kerry openly pushing his comministic socialist agenda for President, conservatives have been brow beat into thinking this is the norm, and the stinking liberals don't want that to change.

Well this conservative is ready to confront any whinning, bitching, lying, conniving, fabricating, loud mouthed, militant, liberal he runs into. They've had it their way for far too long. This conservative is ready to shove it right back in their fucking face! With my FIST if need be.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Then why do they usually side with Democrats?

Snerk!