Where is the ACLU here?

[dilloduck]

Treason and sedition...Those words come all too readily to Dubbyuh's fans. Herr Goebbels would be proud.

well pick your own words ,Bully----The aclu certainly doesn't have the best interest of Americans in mind

 

[Bullypulpit]

well pick your own words ,Bully----The aclu certainly doesn't have the best interest of Americans in mind

In that, I believe you wrong. They certainly have a greater interest in preserving the Constitution than the current administration does. But you believe what you wish and I shall believe what I wish. It's a free country, for the moment, and we can still agree to disagree.

 

[dilloduck]

In that, I believe you wrong. They certainly have a greater interest in preserving the Constitution than the current administration does. But you believe what you wish and I shall believe what I wish. It's a free country, for the moment, and we can still agree to disagree.

It;s just interesting to me that you see the ACLU as defending the constitution at the same time that it takes so many peoples rights away from them. You don't think they have a bigger agenda than "defending" the constitution ?

 

[MissileMan]

It;s just interesting to me that you see the ACLU as defending the constitution at the same time that it takes so many peoples rights away from them. You don't think they have a bigger agenda than "defending" the constitution ?

What would you say that their "Ultimate" goal is?

 

[dilloduck]

What would you say that their "Ultimate" goal is?

To create enough division in America to take control of it without firing a shot

 

[MissileMan]

To create enough division in America to take control of it without firing a shot

That seems a bit too lofty a goal to me. Though they appear to be severely misguided at times, they have also fought some "good" fights as well. As they lack the ability to actually take over, are you saying you believe they are a tool for a particular group?

 

[dilloduck]

That seems a bit too lofty a goal to me. Though they appear to be severely misguided at times, they have also fought some "good" fights as well. As they lack the ability to actually take over, are you saying you believe they are a tool for a particular group?

I'm merely speculating but when someone like Soros gives them 4 mil it makes me wonder. Lawyers and judges appear to hold most power now to effect social change and the ACLU has a big edge in that department. Bush will probably NEVER get to appoint a Supreme Court Justice

 

[007]

They certainly have a greater interest in preserving the Constitution than the current administration does.

That's the biggest crock of shit I've read so far on this board. You are out of your ever loving mind.

The aclu is running rampant now with it's agenda to TAKE AWAY constitutional rights of Americans. Namely, number one and two, the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, and the RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGON.

The aclu does have an agenda, and it's driven by the left wing nut job zealots that want to GUT America of morals and religon, like soros.

Why do that to America? Why don't you wacked out fucking nut job liberals just move to the country of your choice in europe? Because all has already been done for you there. It's just the way you like it. Fucked up.

 

[ciplexian]

ACLU on the right to bear arms:

"The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns..."

While I would not trust the ACLU to protect the 2nd amendment, the restrictions they are advocating do not seem to be violating the right to bear arms. No one would argue that your right to own a car is infringed just because it must be registered. Nor would they argue that your right to equal employment at a government agency is infringed just because it requires a background check.

Fortunately, there is a right-leaning counterweight to the ACLU, the Cato Institute.

The ACLU on freedom of religion:

"Some people mistakenly believe that separation of church and state implies hostility to religion. But in fact, the opposite is true. The Constitution's framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish only if the government leaves religion alone. The free exercise clause of the First Amendment guarantees the right to practice one's religion free of government interference. The establishment clause requires the separation of church and state. Combined, they ensure religious liberty."

This does not seem threatening at all.

 

[007]

ACLU on the right to bear arms:

"The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control.

YOU are full of SHIT!!!

From the 'Lectric Law Library's stacks
ACLU Policy #47:
Gun Control

The setting in which the Second Amendment was proposed and adopted
demonstrates that the right to bear arms is a collective one, existing only in
the collective population of each state for the purpose of maintaining an
effective state militia.

The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the
Second Amendment that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the
preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful
police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not
constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment
to the regulation of firearms.
Nor does the ACLU believe that there is a significant civil liberties value
apart from the Second Amendment in an individual right to own or use firearms.
Interests of privacy and self-expression may be involved in any individual's
choice of activities or possessions, but these interests are attenuated where
the activity, or the object sought to be possessed, is inherently dangerous to
others. With respect to firearms, the ACLU believes that this quality of
dangerousness justifies legal regulation which substantially restricts the
individual's interest in freedom of choice (but see footnote 1)

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/con11.htm

 

[ciplexian]

As I said, I would not trust the ACLU to protect the 2nd amendment. And the statement that they were neutral was coming from THEM, not me. So perhaps you should say THEY are full of shit. However, the practical effects of their efforts seem to be directed towards licensing and registration, which, when applied to other activities for which licensing and registration is required, most people would not consider these requirements to represent an infringement on their rights to participate in the regulated activity.

 

[007]

As I said, I would not trust the ACLU to protect the 2nd amendment. And the statement that they were neutral was coming from THEM, not me. So perhaps you should say THEY are full of shit. However, the practical effects of their efforts seem to be directed towards licensing and registration, which, when applied to other activities for which licensing and registration is required, most people would not consider these requirements to represent an infringement on their rights to participate in the regulated activity.

Here we go... another psycho-babbler liberal.

You on the aclu payroll or what?

 

[ciplexian]

Here we go... another psycho-babbler liberal.

You on the aclu payroll or what?

Yes, I am on the payroll. Damn, you figured me out.

 

[007]

Yes, I am on the payroll. Damn, you figured me out.

You're also sharp as a tack...

 

[ciplexian]

You're also sharp as a tack...

you're very mean spirited.

 

[Bonnie]

What would you say that their "Ultimate" goal is?

Athiestic country first..........Then socialism which comes much easier when you apply step one first..........We become much more compliant whne we don't have a reason to fight anymore or question how evil Socialism/Communism actually is.

 

[MissileMan]

Athiestic country first..........Then socialism which comes much easier when you apply step one first..........We become much more compliant whne we don't have a reason to fight anymore or question how evil Socialism/Communism actually is.

So you honestly believe the goal of the ACLU is to establish a socialist/communist state where there are no civil liberties?

 

[dilloduck]

So you honestly believe the goal of the ACLU is to establish a socialist/communist state where there are no civil liberties?

I'm sure everyone who kowtows to them will have some liberties

 

[Bonnie]

So you honestly believe the goal of the ACLU is to establish a socialist/communist state where there are no civil liberties?

Yes! It's about power and control

Im sure there are those idealists lawyers that truly believe in the cause they THINK they are serving with this organization, however I think those at the top have a very clear agenda and it's not what's in the best interest of this country as it is now.

Im sure one could come up with instances in which the ACLU actually defended someone's right to wear a crucifix in the workplace, but honestly they have much more interest in finding an athiest who can't stand looking at a nativity scene on a municipality lawn and filing a lawsuit to have the it taken down and replaced with a snowman. You have to wonder about the real ideology of a group that purposefully goes out to seek this kind of benign occurance.

And it's very easy for them to gain creedence with people as they" loosely" use the law as their basis for their actions, so who is really going to argue with something that seems on the surface to make sense and have it's foundation in the constitution?

 

[007]

you're very mean spirited.

You want some cheese with that whine? :baby4: