Where does the constitution give Congress power to set up national health care?

[ShootSpeeders]

From the Enumerated Powers in Section 8

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

AND


From the Implied Powers which derive from the Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution and permit Congress "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." And of the Commerce Clause, the enumerated power to regulate commerce, in rulings such as McCulloch v Maryland, have effectively widened the scope of Congress' legislative authority far beyond that prescribed in Section 8.

Hey stupid. You can't justify the feds giant power grab by saying "the federal courts have ok'd it". Of course one fed agency will stick up for another.

We need a return to states rights.

 

[itfitzme]

From the Enumerated Powers in Section 8

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

AND


From the Implied Powers which derive from the Necessary and Proper Clause of the Constitution and permit Congress "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." And of the Commerce Clause, the enumerated power to regulate commerce, in rulings such as McCulloch v Maryland, have effectively widened the scope of Congress' legislative authority far beyond that prescribed in Section 8.

Hey stupid. You can't justify the feds giant power grab by saying "the federal courts have ok'd it". Of course one fed agency will stick up for another.

We need a return to states rights.

Like the Articles of Confederation?

 

[Contumacious]

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Yo Dingle Berry,

The ACA was adopted and defended under the COMMERCE CLAUSE.

Why are you so eager to defend it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Which is equally absurd. Health care is NOT commerce. The states need to stand up and tell the feds we will not accept how the feds interpret the constitution to give themselves power over everything.

Shortly after the ACA was passed there was lots of talk from the states about nullifying it. Sadly, you don't hear that anymore.

The ACA never passed.

CONGRESS ENACTS LAWS - NOT THE SENATE ALONE.

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[regent]

So you're invoking the general welfare clause? Then show us your proof that obozocare will in fact provide for the general welfare. Most americans think it will bankrupt us.

Show us your proof.

I didn't invoke any clause nor do I have to show any proof. .

Yes you do have to show proof. You're the one demanding we go beyond the listed powers of congress. Now justify your demand.

I think this has all moved beyond you.
You might want to check out the history of Obamacare and discover it is now the law of the land all duly passed by Congress, signed by the president and reviewed by the Court. In fact, signed by the president June 25, 2010.

 

[PrometheusBound]

What's the difference between 100% redistribution of income and 50% redistribution of income?

How about we fix the problems instead of punishing success?

Punishing sucess is an oxymoron.

Apparently you have absolutely no idea what "oxymoron" means because that sentence didn't make an ounce of sense...

If you mindlessly copy the Diploma Dumbos in the media, I doubt if you know what oxymoron means either. Your role models for language have no right to their jobs; they are either too irresponsible to look up the correct meaning or so stupid that they can't understand the definition, as bad as thinking that "irregardless" means "regardless." They use this word to sound educated, but their misuse of it shows how fake their education is. It does not mean something like what a Right Winger would say about "Conservative Democrat", claiming that it is impossible. When people were truly educated, that claim was referred to as "a contradiction in terms," about something that wasn't literally a contradiction.

To the truly educated, which nowadays means self-educated and not school-educated, oxymoron means some phrase that seems like a contradiction if taken literally. Examples are: "boneless ribs, sounds of silence, plastic glasses, less is more, and creative destruction." "Ribs" in the oxymoron doesn't mean "bones"; it's just short for "rib meat," so, even though it sounds like a contradiction, it really isn't in the way it is being used.

A moron who hated firemen and used the ignorant meaning of oxymoron might say, "Firefighter is an oxymoron," claiming that, in his opinion, a perfectly logical term is a contradiction. A true oxymoron would be "firewater": literally impossible, but used figuratively to mean a liquid that makes the drinker feel as if he were on fire.

Never respect anyone in the media. They all reveal their inferiority in examples like this. And the fact that Left and Right commit the same grammatical monstrosities proves that they are a clique of worms studying to be snakes. Spelling "mike (microphone)" as "mic" is their latest sign of imbecility.

 

[Contumacious]

I didn't invoke any clause nor do I have to show any proof. .

Yes you do have to show proof. You're the one demanding we go beyond the listed powers of congress. Now justify your demand.

I think this has all moved beyond you.
You might want to check out the history of Obamacare and discover it is now the law of the land all duly passed by Congress, signed by the president and reviewed by the Court. In fact, signed by the president June 25, 2010.

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.


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[PrometheusBound]

Nope, I'm not seeing it.

Article III | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

Article III simply specifies a supreme court, that it has judiciary powers, and the extent of those judiciary powers.

If, in fact, the Supreme Courts judiciary powers is to interpret the law, then it is logically consistent that it has the judiciary power to interpret the Constitution.

Law can be written with such specificity as to make no interpretation possible. They aren't.

How did they go 12 years without having a Constitutional case? Surely, Adams's Sedition Act was questionable, if not a certain violation of the First Amendment. Why did they have to assert their power in Marbury v. Madison if they already had that power? The Constitution says they can try cases, not laws, no more than an individual can plead "guilty, not guilty, or 'the law I'm being tried on is against a higher law.'" Why wouldn't a city judge be able to declare the defendant innocent because the ordinance violates the city charter? "Arising under the Constitution" also refers to cases, not laws, as far as judgment goes. That is, judging whether the case fits the law, not whether the law fits the Constitution. That is for Congress and the President to judge by voting or veto.

The most important thing is that anyone who supports this overlord is slavish and unAmerican.

Simply, a case cannot be tried without interpretation of the law.

No, that would be trying a law, not interpreting it. You can't judge laws by a higher law. Doing that makes the Supreme Court a dictatorship. In reality, no dictator has time to change any law he wants, so you can't defend your masochism about judges by saying that a case has to be brought before them. They also exert a silent dictatorship by inhibiting lawmakers from doing their duty.

 

[PrometheusBound]

From the Enumerated Powers in Section 8

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, ;

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Then why did they need an Amendment to impose income taxes? This anti-democratic manifesto has enabled a racket from the very beginning, even contradicting its own text. Not having income taxes is what caused the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791.

 

[PrometheusBound]

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The power for Obamacare comes from Article one, Section eight, Clause one of the Constitution. Same place the power to create Social Security came from.

So you're invoking the general welfare clause? Then show us your proof that obozocare will in fact provide for the general welfare. Most americans think it will bankrupt us.

Show us your proof.

if you show me yours, then I'll show you mine.

Mine has been nullified by my SCROTUS.

 

[PrometheusBound]

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It was judged by the Court to be constitutional under Clause one,

Hey stupid. Where does the constitution give the courts final say on whether a law is constitutional or not?

This maay be a bit prolix for a moron like you. RULES OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES | Supreme Court Rules | LII / Legal Information Institute

Rule 1: We are more supreme than the Supreme Being.
Rule 2: Congress is our *****.
Rule 3: Anchor babies can get a legal right through illegal means. Even God can't make a contradiction like that, which proves Rule 1.

 

[dcraelin]

by saying that the mandate was ...at some times, for some purposes, (when we want it to be) a tax

the Supreme Idiots were admitting that it passed thru Congress based on a lie. No legislation based on a court confirmed lie should be allowed to stand in a Democracy/Republic

It was judged by the Court to be constitutional under Clause one, the rest is immaterial. If the Congress had claimed it to be constitutional under another clause or clauses and the Court said no but it is Constitutional under clause one, then it is constitutional.
But you raise a good question: does Congress have to declare the clause or clauses of Section Eight when they create a law? Even, if Congress did have to declare a clause, which I doubt, the law would still be constitutional if the Court says it is.
As Justice Hughes said the Constitution is what the Court say it is.

The court made the illogical conclusion that the mandate was not a tax, and a tax at the same time. But regardless of that mistake they should have carried it further, examined the debate in congress and determined that its passage thru congress was based on a lie, a key lie. This, itself should have violated the constitution. After all, we the people are entitled to honest representation.

I am not sure what clause their sophistry was under, just that the key point was that whether the mandate was a tax or not. The opinion was an illogical mess, typical for the political hacks that occupy the federal judiciary.

 

[itfitzme]

Yes you do have to show proof. You're the one demanding we go beyond the listed powers of congress. Now justify your demand.

I think this has all moved beyond you.
You might want to check out the history of Obamacare and discover it is now the law of the land all duly passed by Congress, signed by the president and reviewed by the Court. In fact, signed by the president June 25, 2010.

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.


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Really, you think that it wasn't?

Really, you need to show this. We can get right on having it repealed on this basis. This is awesome.

 

[Contumacious]

I think this has all moved beyond you.
You might want to check out the history of Obamacare and discover it is now the law of the land all duly passed by Congress, signed by the president and reviewed by the Court. In fact, signed by the president June 25, 2010.

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.


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Really, you think that it wasn't?

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.

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[itfitzme]

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.


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Really, you think that it wasn't?

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.

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Why? Do you have reason to believe that the final signature page is photo-ed and posted?

Try the Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Health Care Bill - H.R.3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

House Roll Call #768 Details - OpenCongress

Ayes: 416 (Democrat: 242; Republican: 174) Nays: 0 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 0) Abstained: 16 (Democrat: 12; Republican: 4)Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 2/3 (66%)Percentage of 'aye' votes: 96%Result: Passed
Votes by Representative

Name Voted
Neil Abercrombie Aye
Gary L. Ackerman Aye
Rep. Robert B. Aderholt [R, AL-4] Aye
John Adler Aye
W. Todd Akin Aye
Rodney Alexander Aye
Jason Altmire Aye
Rep. Robert E. Andrews [D, NJ-1] Aye
Michael Arcuri Aye
Steve Austria Aye
Joe Baca Aye
Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] Aye
Rep. Spencer Bachus [R, AL-6] Aye
Brian Baird Aye
Sen. Tammy Baldwin [D, WI] Aye
J. Gresham Barrett Aye
Rep. John Barrow [D, GA-12] Aye
Roscoe G. Bartlett Aye
Rep. Joe Barton [R, TX-6] Aye
Melissa Bean Aye
Rep. Xavier Becerra [D, CA-34] Aye
Shelley Berkley Aye
Howard L. Berman Aye
Marion Berry Aye
Judy Biggert Aye
Brian P. Bilbray Aye
Rep. Gus M. Bilirakis [R, FL-12] Aye
Rep. Sanford D. Bishop Jr. [D, GA-2] Aye
Rep. Timothy H. Bishop [D, NY-1] Aye
Rep. Rob Bishop [R, UT-1] Aye
Rep. Marsha Blackburn [R, TN-7] Aye
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D, OR-3] Aye
Sen. Roy Blunt [R, MO] Aye
John Boccieri Aye
Rep. John A. Boehner [R, OH-8] Aye
Jo Bonner Aye
Mary Bono Mack Aye
Sen. John Boozman [R, AR] Aye
Dan Boren Aye
Leonard L. Boswell Aye
Rick Boucher Aye
Rep. Charles W. Boustany Jr. [R, LA-3] Aye
Allen Boyd Aye
Rep. Robert A. Brady [D, PA-1] Aye
Rep. Kevin Brady [R, TX-8] Aye
Rep. Bruce L. Braley [D, IA-1] Aye
Bobby Bright Aye
Rep. Paul C. Broun [R, GA-10] Aye
Henry Brown Aye
Rep. Corrine Brown [D, FL-5] Aye
Ginny Brown-Waite Aye
Rep. Vern Buchanan [R, FL-16] Aye
Rep. Michael C. Burgess [R, TX-26] Aye
Dan Burton Aye
Rep. G. K. Butterfield [D, NC-1] Aye
Steve Buyer Aye
Rep. Ken Calvert [R, CA-42] Aye
Rep. Dave Camp [R, MI-4] Aye
Rep. John Campbell [R, CA-45] Aye
Rep. Eric Cantor [R, VA-7] Aye
Joseph Cao Aye
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito [R, WV-2] Aye
Rep. Lois Capps [D, CA-24] Aye
Rep. Michael E. Capuano [D, MA-7] Aye
Dennis Cardoza Aye
Russ Carnahan Aye
Christopher Carney Abstain
Rep. André Carson [D, IN-7] Aye
Rep. John R. Carter [R, TX-31] Aye
Rep. Bill Cassidy [R, LA-6] Aye
Michael Castle Aye
Rep. Kathy Castor [D, FL-14] Aye
Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R, UT-3] Aye
Ben Chandler Aye
Travis Childers Aye
Rep. Judy Chu [D, CA-27] Aye
Rep. Yvette D. Clarke [D, NY-9] Aye
Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay [D, MO-1] Aye
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver [D, MO-5] Aye
Rep. James E. Clyburn [D, SC-6] Aye
Rep. Howard Coble [R, NC-6] Aye
Rep. Mike Coffman [R, CO-6] Aye
Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9] Aye
Rep. Tom Cole [R, OK-4] Aye
Rep. K. Michael Conaway [R, TX-11] Aye
Rep. Gerald E. Connolly [D, VA-11] Aye
Rep. John Conyers Jr. [D, MI-13] Abstain
Rep. Jim Cooper [D, TN-5] Aye
Rep. Jim Costa [D, CA-16] Aye
Jerry F. Costello Aye
Rep. Joe Courtney [D, CT-2] Aye
Rep. Ander Crenshaw [R, FL-4] Aye
Rep. Joseph Crowley [D, NY-14] Aye
Rep. Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28] Abstain
Rep. John Abney Culberson [R, TX-7] Aye
Rep. Elijah E. Cummings [D, MD-7] Aye
Kathleen Dahlkemper Aye
Geoff Davis Aye
Lincoln Davis Aye
Artur Davis Aye
Rep. Susan A. Davis [D, CA-53] Aye
Rep. Danny K. Davis [D, IL-7] Aye
Nathan Deal Aye
Rep. Peter A. DeFazio [D, OR-4] Aye
Rep. Diana DeGette [D, CO-1] Aye
Bill Delahunt Aye
Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro [D, CT-3] Aye
Rep. Charles W. Dent [R, PA-15] Aye
Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart [R, FL-25] Aye
Lincoln Diaz-Balart Aye
Norman D. Dicks Aye
Rep. John D. Dingell [D, MI-12] Aye
Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D, TX-35] Aye
Sen. Joe Donnelly [D, IN] Aye
Rep. Michael F. Doyle [D, PA-14] Aye
David Dreier Aye
Steve Driehaus Aye
Rep. John J. Duncan Jr. [R, TN-2] Aye
Rep. Donna F. Edwards [D, MD-4] Aye
Chet Edwards Aye
Vernon Ehlers Aye
Rep. Keith Ellison [D, MN-5] Aye
Brad Ellsworth Aye
Jo Ann Emerson Aye
Rep. Eliot L. Engel [D, NY-16] Aye
Rep. Anna G. Eshoo [D, CA-18] Aye
Bob Etheridge Aye
Mary Fallin Aye
Rep. Sam Farr [D, CA-20] Aye
Rep. Chaka Fattah [D, PA-2] Aye
Bob Filner Aye
Sen. Jeff Flake [R, AZ] Aye
Rep. John Fleming [R, LA-4] Aye
Rep. J. Randy Forbes [R, VA-4] Aye
Rep. Jeff Fortenberry [R, NE-1] Aye
Rep. Bill Foster [D, IL-11] Aye
Rep. Virginia Foxx [R, NC-5] Aye
Barney Frank Aye
Rep. Trent Franks [R, AZ-8] Aye
Rep. Rodney P. Frelinghuysen [R, NJ-11] Aye
Rep. Marcia L. Fudge [D, OH-11] Aye
Elton Gallegly Aye
Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5] Aye
Rep. Jim Gerlach [R, PA-6] Aye
Gabrielle Giffords Aye
Rep. Phil Gingrey [R, GA-11] Aye
Rep. Louie Gohmert [R, TX-1] Aye
Charles A. Gonzalez Aye
Rep. Bob Goodlatte [R, VA-6] Aye
Bart Gordon Aye
Rep. Kay Granger [R, TX-12] Aye
Rep. Sam Graves [R, MO-6] Aye
Rep. Alan Grayson [D, FL-9] Aye
Rep. Al Green [D, TX-9] Aye
Rep. Gene Green [D, TX-29] Aye
Parker Griffith Aye
Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva [D, AZ-3] Aye
Rep. Brett Guthrie [R, KY-2] Aye
Rep. Luis V. Gutiérrez [D, IL-4] Aye
John Hall Aye
Rep. Ralph M. Hall [R, TX-4] Aye
Deborah Halvorson Aye
Phil Hare Aye
Jane Harman Aye
Rep. Gregg Harper [R, MS-3] Aye
Rep. Doc Hastings [R, WA-4] Aye
Rep. Alcee L. Hastings [D, FL-20] Aye
Sen. Martin Heinrich [D, NM] Aye
Sen. Dean Heller [R, NV] Aye
Rep. Jeb Hensarling [R, TX-5] Aye
Wally Herger Aye
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin Aye
Rep. Brian Higgins [D, NY-26] Aye
Baron Hill Aye
Rep. James A. Himes [D, CT-4] Aye
Maurice D. Hinchey Aye
Rep. Rubén Hinojosa [D, TX-15] Aye
Sen. Mazie K. Hirono [D, HI] Aye
Paul Hodes Aye
Pete Hoekstra Aye
Tim Holden Aye
Rep. Rush Holt [D, NJ-12] Aye
Rep. Michael M. Honda [D, CA-17] Aye
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer [D, MD-5] Aye
Rep. Duncan Hunter [R, CA-50] Aye
Bob Inglis Aye
Jay Inslee Aye
Rep. Steve Israel [D, NY-3] Aye
Rep. Darrell E. Issa [R, CA-49] Aye
Jesse L. Jackson Jr. Aye
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee [D, TX-18] Aye
Rep. Lynn Jenkins [R, KS-2] Aye
Rep. Sam Johnson [R, TX-3] Abstain
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson [D, TX-30] Aye
Timothy V. Johnson Aye
Rep. Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Jr. [D, GA-4] Aye
Rep. Walter B. Jones [R, NC-3] Aye
Rep. Jim Jordan [R, OH-4] Aye
Steve Kagen Aye
Paul Kanjorski Aye
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9] Abstain
Patrick Kennedy Aye
Dale E. Kildee Aye
Carolyn Kilpatrick Aye
Mary Jo Kilroy Aye
Rep. Ron Kind [D, WI-3] Aye
Rep. Peter T. King [R, NY-2] Aye
Rep. Steve King [R, IA-4] Aye
Rep. Jack Kingston [R, GA-1] Aye
Sen. Mark Kirk [R, IL] Aye
Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick [D, AZ-1] Aye
Larry Kissell Aye
Ron Klein Aye
Rep. John Kline [R, MN-2] Aye
Suzanne Kosmas Aye
Frank Kratovil Aye
Dennis J. Kucinich Aye
Rep. Doug Lamborn [R, CO-5] Aye
Rep. Leonard Lance [R, NJ-7] Aye
Rep. James R. Langevin [D, RI-2] Aye
Rep. Rick Larsen [D, WA-2] Aye
Rep. John B. Larson [D, CT-1] Aye
Rep. Tom Latham [R, IA-3] Aye
Steven C. LaTourette Aye
Rep. Robert E. Latta [R, OH-5] Aye
Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-13] Aye
Christopher Lee Aye
Rep. Sander M. Levin [D, MI-9] Aye
Jerry Lewis Aye
Rep. John Lewis [D, GA-5] Aye
John Linder Aye
Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D, IL-3] Aye
Rep. Frank A. LoBiondo [R, NJ-2] Aye
Rep. David Loebsack [D, IA-2] Aye
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D, CA-19] Aye
Rep. Nita M. Lowey [D, NY-17] Aye
Rep. Frank D. Lucas [R, OK-3] Aye
Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer [R, MO-3] Aye
Rep. Ben Ray Luján [D, NM-3] Aye
Rep. Cynthia M. Lummis [R, WY-0] Aye
Daniel E. Lungren Aye
Rep. Stephen F. Lynch [D, MA-8] Aye
Connie Mack Aye
Rep. Daniel B. Maffei [D, NY-24] Aye
Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney [D, NY-12] Abstain
Donald A. Manzullo Aye
Rep. Kenny Marchant [R, TX-24] Aye
Sen. Edward J. Markey [D, MA] Aye
Betsy Markey Aye
Jim Marshall Abstain
Eric Massa Aye
Rep. Jim Matheson [D, UT-4] Aye
Rep. Doris O. Matsui [D, CA-6] Aye
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D, NY-4] Abstain
Rep. Kevin McCarthy [R, CA-23] Aye
Rep. Michael T. McCaul [R, TX-10] Aye
Rep. Tom McClintock [R, CA-4] Aye
Rep. Betty McCollum [D, MN-4] Aye
Thad McCotter Aye
Rep. Jim McDermott [D, WA-7] Aye
Rep. James P. McGovern [D, MA-2] Aye
Rep. Patrick T. McHenry [R, NC-10] Aye
Rep. Mike McIntyre [D, NC-7] Aye
Rep. Howard P. "Buck" McKeon [R, CA-25] Aye
Michael McMahon Aye
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R, WA-5] Aye
Rep. Jerry McNerney [D, CA-9] Aye
Kendrick Meek Aye
Rep. Gregory W. Meeks [D, NY-5] Aye
Charles Melancon Aye
Rep. John L. Mica [R, FL-7] Aye
Rep. Michael H. Michaud [D, ME-2] Aye
Rep. George Miller [D, CA-11] Aye
Rep. Jeff Miller [R, FL-1] Aye
Rep. Candice S. Miller [R, MI-10] Aye
Brad Miller Aye
Rep. Gary G. Miller [R, CA-31] Aye
Walter Minnick Aye
Harry Mitchell Aye
Alan Mollohan Aye
Rep. Gwen Moore [D, WI-4] Aye
Dennis Moore Aye
Sen. Jerry Moran [R, KS] Aye
Rep. James P. Moran [D, VA-8] Abstain
Rep. Tim Murphy [R, PA-18] Aye
Sen. Christopher Murphy [D, CT] Aye
Scott Murphy Aye
Patrick Murphy Aye
John Murtha Abstain
Sue Wilkins Myrick Aye
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D, NY-10] Aye
Rep. Grace F. Napolitano [D, CA-32] Aye
Rep. Richard E. Neal [D, MA-1] Aye
Rep. Randy Neugebauer [R, TX-19] Abstain
Rep. Devin Nunes [R, CA-22] Aye
Glenn Nye Aye
James Oberstar Aye
Dave Obey Aye
Rep. Pete Olson [R, TX-22] Aye
John W. Olver Aye
Solomon Ortiz Aye
Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. [D, NJ-6] Aye
Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr. [D, NJ-9] Aye
Rep. Ed Pastor [D, AZ-7] Aye
Ron Paul Aye
Rep. Erik Paulsen [R, MN-3] Aye
Donald Payne Aye
Mike Pence Aye
Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D, CO-7] Aye
Thomas Perriello Aye
Rep. Gary C. Peters [D, MI-14] Aye
Rep. Collin C. Peterson [D, MN-7] Aye
Rep. Thomas E. Petri [R, WI-6] Aye
Rep. Chellie Pingree [D, ME-1] Abstain
Rep. Joseph R. Pitts [R, PA-16] Aye
Todd Russell Platts Aye
Rep. Ted Poe [R, TX-2] Aye
Rep. Jared Polis [D, CO-2] Aye
Earl Pomeroy Aye
Rep. Bill Posey [R, FL-8] Aye
Rep. Tom Price [R, GA-6] Aye
Rep. David E. Price [D, NC-4] Aye
Adam Putnam Aye
Rep. Mike Quigley [D, IL-5] Aye
George Radanovich Abstain
Rep. Nick J. Rahall II [D, WV-3] Aye
Rep. Charles B. Rangel [D, NY-13] Aye
Denny Rehberg Aye
Rep. David G. Reichert [R, WA-8] Aye
Silvestre Reyes Aye
Laura Richardson Aye
Ciro Rodriguez Aye
Rep. David P. Roe [R, TN-1] Aye
Rep. Mike Rogers [R, MI-8] Aye
Rep. Mike Rogers [R, AL-3] Aye
Rep. Harold Rogers [R, KY-5] Aye
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher [R, CA-48] Aye
Rep. Thomas J. Rooney [R, FL-17] Aye
Rep. Peter J. Roskam [R, IL-6] Aye
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R, FL-27] Aye
Mike Ross Aye
Steven R. Rothman Aye
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard [D, CA-40] Aye
Rep. Edward R. Royce [R, CA-39] Aye
Rep. C. A. Dutch Ruppersberger [D, MD-2] Aye
Rep. Bobby L. Rush [D, IL-1] Aye
Rep. Paul Ryan [R, WI-1] Aye
Rep. Tim Ryan [D, OH-13] Aye
John Salazar Aye
Rep. Loretta Sanchez [D, CA-46] Aye
Rep. Linda T. Sánchez [D, CA-38] Aye
Rep. John P. Sarbanes [D, MD-3] Aye
Rep. Steve Scalise [R, LA-1] Aye
Rep. Janice D. Schakowsky [D, IL-9] Aye
Mark Schauer Aye
Rep. Adam B. Schiff [D, CA-28] Aye
Jean Schmidt Aye
Rep. Aaron Schock [R, IL-18] Aye
Rep. Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5] Aye
Rep. Allyson Y. Schwartz [D, PA-13] Aye
Rep. Robert C. "Bobby" Scott [D, VA-3] Aye
Rep. David Scott [D, GA-13] Aye
Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. [R, WI-5] Aye
Rep. José E. Serrano [D, NY-15] Aye
Rep. Pete Sessions [R, TX-32] Aye
Joe Sestak Aye
John Shadegg Aye
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter [D, NH-1] Aye
Rep. Brad Sherman [D, CA-30] Aye
Rep. John Shimkus [R, IL-15] Aye
Heath Shuler Aye
Rep. Bill Shuster [R, PA-9] Aye
Rep. Michael K. Simpson [R, ID-2] Aye
Rep. Albio Sires [D, NJ-8] Aye
Ike Skelton Aye
Rep. Louise McIntosh Slaughter [D, NY-25] Aye
Rep. Adrian Smith [R, NE-3] Aye
Rep. Lamar Smith [R, TX-21] Abstain
Rep. Adam Smith [D, WA-9] Aye
Rep. Christopher H. Smith [R, NJ-4] Aye
Vic Snyder Aye
Mark Souder Aye
Zack Space Aye
Rep. Jackie Speier [D, CA-14] Abstain
John Spratt Aye
Fortney Pete Stark Aye
Cliff Stearns Aye
Bart Stupak Aye
John Sullivan Aye
Betty Sutton Aye
John Tanner Aye
Gene Taylor Aye
Harry Teague Aye
Rep. Lee Terry [R, NE-2] Aye
Rep. Mike Thompson [D, CA-5] Aye
Rep. Glenn Thompson [R, PA-5] Aye
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson [D, MS-2] Aye
Rep. Mac Thornberry [R, TX-13] Aye
Todd Tiahrt Aye
Rep. Patrick J. Tiberi [R, OH-12] Aye
Rep. John F. Tierney [D, MA-6] Aye
Rep. Dina Titus [D, NV-1] Aye
Rep. Paul Tonko [D, NY-20] Aye
Edolphus Towns Aye
Rep. Niki Tsongas [D, MA-3] Abstain
Rep. Michael R. Turner [R, OH-10] Aye
Rep. Fred Upton [R, MI-6] Aye
Rep. Chris Van Hollen [D, MD-8] Aye
Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez [D, NY-7] Aye
Rep. Peter J. Visclosky [D, IN-1] Aye
Rep. Greg Walden [R, OR-2] Aye
Rep. Timothy J. Walz [D, MN-1] Aye
Zach Wamp Aye
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D, FL-23] Aye
Rep. Maxine Waters [D, CA-43] Aye
Diane Watson Aye
Rep. Melvin L. Watt [D, NC-12] Aye
Rep. Henry A. Waxman [D, CA-33] Aye
Anthony Weiner Aye
Rep. Peter Welch [D, VT-0] Aye
Rep. Lynn A. Westmoreland [R, GA-3] Aye
Robert Wexler Aye
Rep. Ed Whitfield [R, KY-1] Aye
Rep. Joe Wilson [R, SC-2] Aye
Charles Wilson Aye
Rep. Robert J. Wittman [R, VA-1] Aye
Rep. Frank R. Wolf [R, VA-10] Aye
Lynn C. Woolsey Aye
David Wu Aye
Rep. John A. Yarmuth [D, KY-3] Aye
Rep. C. W. Bill Young [R, FL-13] Aye
Rep. Don Young [R, AK-0] Aye

 

[Contumacious]

Really, you think that it wasn't?

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.

.

Why? Do you have reason to believe that the final signature page is photo-ed and posted?

Try the Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Health Care Bill - H.R.3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

House Roll Call #768 Details - OpenCongress

Ayes: 416 (Democrat: 242; Republican: 174) Nays: 0 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 0) Abstained: 16 (Democrat: 12; Republican: 4)Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 2/3 (66%)Percentage of 'aye' votes: 96%Result: Passed
Votes by Representative

H.R.3590 -

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes

Where the **** does it say anything about ACA?!?!?!?!

.

 

[regent]

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.

.

Why? Do you have reason to believe that the final signature page is photo-ed and posted?

Try the Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Health Care Bill - H.R.3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

House Roll Call #768 Details - OpenCongress

Ayes: 416 (Democrat: 242; Republican: 174) Nays: 0 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 0) Abstained: 16 (Democrat: 12; Republican: 4)Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 2/3 (66%)Percentage of 'aye' votes: 96%Result: Passed
Votes by Representative

H.R.3590 -

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes

Where the **** does it say anything about ACA?!?!?!?!

.

They renumber each year starting with 1. Can you imagine the number of ACA if they had continued numbering from 1789?

 

[Snookie]

[
Yo Dingle Berry,

The ACA was adopted and defended under the COMMERCE CLAUSE.

Why are you so eager to defend it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

.

Which is equally absurd. Health care is NOT commerce. The states need to stand up and tell the feds we will not accept how the feds interpret the constitution to give themselves power over everything.

Shortly after the ACA was passed there was lots of talk from the states about nullifying it. Sadly, you don't hear that anymore.

The ACA never passed.

CONGRESS ENACTS LAWS - NOT THE SENATE ALONE.

.

The senate is considered part of congress

 

[Snookie]

Why? Do you have reason to believe that the final signature page is photo-ed and posted?

Try the Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Health Care Bill - H.R.3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

House Roll Call #768 Details - OpenCongress

Ayes: 416 (Democrat: 242; Republican: 174) Nays: 0 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 0) Abstained: 16 (Democrat: 12; Republican: 4)Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 2/3 (66%)Percentage of 'aye' votes: 96%Result: Passed
Votes by Representative

H.R.3590 -

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes

Where the **** does it say anything about ACA?!?!?!?!

.

They renumber each year starting with 1. Can you imagine the number of ACA if they had continued numbering from 1789?

No one has a chance against such huge font.

 

[itfitzme]

Provide a link showing where the bill originated in , and was approved by, the House.

.

Why? Do you have reason to believe that the final signature page is photo-ed and posted?

Try the Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Health Care Bill - H.R.3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

House Roll Call #768 Details - OpenCongress

Ayes: 416 (Democrat: 242; Republican: 174) Nays: 0 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 0) Abstained: 16 (Democrat: 12; Republican: 4)Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 2/3 (66%)Percentage of 'aye' votes: 96%Result: Passed
Votes by Representative

H.R.3590 -

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes

Where the **** does it say anything about ACA?!?!?!?!

.

4 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Amendment in Senate - AS)[H.R.3590.AS][PDF]
5 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Print - PP)[H.R.3590.PP][PDF]
6 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Engrossed Amendment Senate - EAS)[H.R.3590.EAS][PDF]
7 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.3590.ENR][PDF]

You need to work on this until you figure it out. No one else is having a problem finding it.

 

[dcraelin]

lost in discussion about health care is how bad a system we have no matter how its paid for.

A very interesting book is Medical Nemesis.
The classic example it gives involves a test set up to test doctors. It went something like this. 100 kids were sent in to see if they needed their tonsils out, the doctors found 30 that needed them out, the remaining 70 were sent to another set of doctors, 20 or so of those supposedly needed them out. It went on until they had a batch of healthy kids down to 10 or 20 that didnt need their tonsils out.