Where do you stand on State succession?

[kaz]

We could swap out Texas for Puerto Rico and never have to change the flag.

I think California and New York should just take over things and say unless you want to starve or go back to the dark ages, step in line and do as we say.

Texas would fair pretty well as an independent state, imo.

They do have the Port of Houston, oil, cattle, etc. They have a low 6.1% unemployment rate. If they could get treaties with other states in the Union, maybe they would be ok.

There would also be a flood of high achievers like me who move there and build up their industry. And they would not go alone. They might blaze the trail, but if they went, there are a lot of surrounding States that would follow.

 

[kaz]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

I say that if you have as state that tries to leave the union, there will be a war with that state. Why not just fight the war and remove the socialists and kill two birds with one stone?

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

No one knows that except socialists who want to believe it.

Even if it were true, at what point would you take the message from people who are telling you to take your money and shove it, the price is too high?

 

[Indeependent]

Texas would fair pretty well as an independent state, imo.

They do have the Port of Houston, oil, cattle, etc. They have a low 6.1% unemployment rate. If they could get treaties with other states in the Union, maybe they would be ok.

There would also be a flood of high achievers like me who move there and build up their industry. And they would not go alone. They might blaze the trail, but if they went, there are a lot of surrounding States that would follow.

I presume your new State would not allow entities that rely solely on Smoke & Mirrors quarterly results as opposed to actual achievement?

 

[Contumacious]

as the Pledge of Allegiance clearly illustrates through the line “one nation, indivisible.”........

.......which was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.

After leaving the pulpit, Francis Bellamy decided to advance his authoritarian ideas through the public schools.


Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance for Youth’s Companion, a popular children’s magazine. With the aid of the National Education Association, Bellamy and the editors of Youth’s Companion got the Pledge adopted as part of the National Public School Celebration on Columbus Day 1892

So why should the socialist pledge of allegiance prevent the states from exerting their ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO SECDE?!?!?!?!?!?!

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[Contumacious]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

I say that if you have as state that tries to leave the union, there will be a war with that state. Why not just fight the war and remove the socialists and kill two birds with one stone?

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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[Indeependent]

I say that if you have as state that tries to leave the union, there will be a war with that state. Why not just fight the war and remove the socialists and kill two birds with one stone?

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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Texas can?t afford paved roads, replaces them with gravel ? RT USA
Texas can’t afford paved roads, replaces them with gravel

True?

 

[Contumacious]

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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Texas can?t afford paved roads, replaces them with gravel ? RT USA
Texas can’t afford paved roads, replaces them with gravel

True?

Yeah, man.

The majority of roads here in Houston are unpaved.

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[francoHFW]

What socialism, fool- you're ALREADY paying for their health care, just in the stupidest, most expensive, cruelest way possible...just why ignorant businessmen shouldn't be in charge...see Booosh and Mittens.

 

[Jughead]

I'm surprised to see the poll two to one for the right of seccession. Who knew?

There was no option that really spoke to my view. I believe it is a state's right, but I am not eager for it. I think it would be dangerous to have the United States broken into two or more smaller countries for a multitude of reasons that are not worth pursuing in this discussion, but if given a straight up decision of staying as is or leaving for a system more closely resembling the government of the Constitution, I'd leave.

As for why I think seccession is the right of any State, there are two reasons. First, I find the idea that the Founding Fathers who had to fight a war to gain their own independence would have created a system wherein you would be locked into it and have no right to peacefully leave absolutely laughable. The idea that people must continue to be in bonds to a government which goes against their own principles and no longer represents their interests goes against the very foundation principle that the government gets it authority from the consent of the governed. I could go on with this train of thought for awhile explaining exactly how it is inconsistent with every principle of the Founding Fathers, but why belabor this self-evident point?

Second, the only alternative to the right of secession is to grant the Federal government a right which was never given to it in the Constitution. Since the Federal government has only certain specified areas of authority, anything not spelled out in the Constitution as the power of the Federal Government is something that the Federal Government is not allowed to do. I don't see any provision in the Constitution that says a state cannot peacefully leave the Union, so it should be allowed.

Well said. I agree that it should be a state right, however I'd lean towards not seceding.

Although I do agree that it should be a state right to secede, the problem that could arise (besides the Federal government not allowing it) is partitioning of the state. Nothing in the constitution says that a state can't be partitioned if it secedes from the union. Of course the new state would implement a constitution of it's own, and could add this clause. However, civil unrest would be a real possibility, especially during attempts to partition the state. I could envision this scenario in states that are majority Republican, but have urban areas that are Democrat. The urban areas would attempt to hold referendums to secede from the independent state and remain a part of the United states. It would be chaos.

 

[Synthaholic]

Where do you stand on State secession?


States check in, but they don't check out.

 

[racewright]

Spell it 'secession', and we can go from there.

Any state can leave the Union, provided the other states approve.

Won't happen.

Of course not because the states that can not afford there own bills want to still get money from the states that can--like Texas.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Spell it 'secession', and we can go from there.

Any state can leave the Union, provided the other states approve.

Won't happen.

Of course not because the states that can not afford there own bills want to still get money from the states that can--like Texas.

And all the other red states.

And it’s un-Constitutional.

 

[Contumacious]

What socialism, fool- you're ALREADY .

Yeah, what socialism

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[Luddly Neddite]

I say that if you have as state that tries to leave the union, there will be a war with that state. Why not just fight the war and remove the socialists and kill two birds with one stone?

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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Then you must hate Ronnie Ray-Gun's Socialist EMTALA and love Obamacare that requires we all pay for our own health care insurance.

 

[Harry Dresden]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

We could swap out Texas for Puerto Rico and never have to change the flag.

I think California and New York should just take over things and say unless you want to starve or go back to the dark ages, step in line and do as we say.

30 of Californias 58 Counties are at 9% Unemployment,15 of them are 10% or better .....still want them in charge?....

California Counties: California?s unemployment rate by county - Data Desk - Los Angeles Times

 

[Contumacious]

As we all know, the states that want to secede are pretty much supported by the states they hate.

As for Texass, if you love working for minimum wage, move there.

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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Then you must hate Ronnie Ray-Gun's Socialist EMTALA and love Obamacare that requires we all pay for our own health care insurance.

Wrong.

Obama Hellcare requires that WE THE TAXPAYERS pay your premiums.

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[Synthaholic]

What socialism, fool- you're ALREADY .

Yeah, what socialism

.

We only socialize the losses: Wall Street firms, AIG, this West Virginia chemical spill - they've already declared bankruptcy, re-incorporated as a new entity, and bought the assets, basically selling it to themselves while passing off all the liability and responsibility to the taxpayers.


Check this out and tell me you're OK with this:

Truth behind Freedom Industries bankruptcy | MSNBC

 

[Mojo2]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

It's not a good thing to encourage.

It would bring chaos, death and destruction to our country.

Our enemies want exactly that.

Don't let them bring U.S. down by driving a wedge between U.S.

And it's, "seceded."

Bootlickers like you would be the ones bringing the death, chaos and destruction.

BOOTLICKERS!!!???

Me???

LOLOLOLOL

HAWWWWW!!!

Good one!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yo Vern, I live in Texas. I have Aetna.

What we don't want to do is pay YOUR premiums.

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Then you must hate Ronnie Ray-Gun's Socialist EMTALA and love Obamacare that requires we all pay for our own health care insurance.

Wrong.

Obama Hellcare requires that WE THE TAXPAYERS pay your premiums.

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Can't read it but suspect its the same schlock about the young paying for the sick and hurt.

Which, coincidentally, the way all health care insurance has always paid their bills.

Who did you think paid for it?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What socialism, fool- you're ALREADY .

Yeah, what socialism

.

We only socialize the losses: Wall Street firms, AIG, this West Virginia chemical spill - they've already declared bankruptcy, re-incorporated as a new entity, and bought the assets, basically selling it to themselves while passing off all the liability and responsibility to the taxpayers.


Check this out and tell me you're OK with this:

Truth behind Freedom Industries bankruptcy | MSNBC