Where Do Conservative Christians Go From Here?

[no1tovote4]

I said true Christians are rare in America. I did not say they are non-existent. Do you have trouble comprehending the meaning of these simple terms?

What makes you the judge of the true or the not true Christians? As I understand you cannot judge so you wouldn't have any idea how many are true and whether or not they are rare. Since this is a positive statement of what you said it seems you have a hypocritical standpoint here...

 

[Avatar4321]

I said true Christians are rare in America. I did not say they are non-existent. Do you have trouble comprehending the meaning of these simple terms?

No not at all, but you seem to have problems sticking to what you say. By declaring true Christians rare you have judged all Christians. Yet you deny you have. Hence, why we have called you on it.

You cant have it both ways.

 

[Avatar4321]

Conservative Christians need to go back to church and study the gospel of Jesus Christ...And practice it.

i agree. but then if they did they would be supporting the same policies and doctrine that they support now.

 

[flaja]

No not at all, but you seem to have problems sticking to what you say. By declaring true Christians rare you have judged all Christians. Yet you deny you have. Hence, why we have called you on it.

You cant have it both ways.

No one is a Christian simply on their own say-so. Only God can determine when someone is a legitimate Christian. Therefore many of the people who claim to be Christian are not really Christian because they are not Christian by God’s standard. When I judge them, I have not judged any Christian, must less all Christians.

 

[Bullypulpit]

i agree. but then if they did they would be supporting the same policies and doctrine that they support now.

Jesus would be too liberal for todays crop of "Christian" conservatives, who remind me more of Romans cheering for the lions than of Christ's followers.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Jesus would be too liberal for todays crop of "Christian" conservatives, who remind me more of Romans cheering for the lions than of Christ's followers.

Yes. Many have accepted the perversion of the new covenant known as dispensationalism. It is a complete rejection of the love of christ, and a return to the unbending law, perverted for worldly power.

 

[Gunny]

Conservative Christians did not lose the elections to Social Progressives. They lost the election because many policies of today's Republican leadership do not resemble actual conservatism and there is barely a hint of Christian values in the actions taken by our Republican White House. Talk is cheap, you can say God a dozen times in your speech, but that hardly matters if you support the slaughter of innocent Iraqis and American troops.

On top of that, the Christian right has been smeared by scandal. If Conservative Christians had carried themselves in a more conservative christian manner, congress would still be in Republican hands. Instead, they alienated the average American by adopting neoconservative values, violating laws, and engaging in illicit behavior.

It is disgusting to see so many men use religion as a ladder to success. I think a true believer would be far more humble than men like Bill Frist--promoting himself with political speeches inside of Churches. I was taught that a Church was the house of God, a place where Earthly matters are too insignificant to be breached. Oh well, Protestants are a strange bunch.

Republicans did not alienate average Americans. Republicans alienated Republicans/conservatives; who, stayed home on election day. You liberals need to wake up. If there was a "mandate" here, it was a mandate by conservatives concerning their dissatisfaction with Republican leadership. An unsound strategy that is going to backfire, btw.

But no one has suddenly embraced liberal ideology and/or expects anything to be accomplished by Democrats. It's a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Gunny]

Can you document this claim? Tell me where I can find a copy of the agreement between Texas and the United States.

Try www.google.com.

It really isn't worth my time or effort. Don't believe it if you don't want.

 

[Gunny]

No one is a Christian simply on their own say-so. Only God can determine when someone is a legitimate Christian. Therefore many of the people who claim to be Christian are not really Christian because they are not Christian by God’s standard. When I judge them, I have not judged any Christian, must less all Christians.

Did you actually read this before posting it? I especially like:

"When I judge them, I have not judged any Christian, must less all Christians."

Freakin' brilliant.

 

[Avatar4321]

No one is a Christian simply on their own say-so. Only God can determine when someone is a legitimate Christian. Therefore many of the people who claim to be Christian are not really Christian because they are not Christian by God’s standard. When I judge them, I have not judged any Christian, must less all Christians.

You really arent this dense are you? By stating that most arent true Christians you are judging them. You cant judge them and then say God is the only one who can judge them and be consistant.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus would be too liberal for todays crop of "Christian" conservatives, who remind me more of Romans cheering for the lions than of Christ's followers.

No, Christ isnt a socialist. He wouldnt fit in among liberals at all. You see Christ actually wants to help people. He also wants to help people help themselves. All modern liberalism does is pretend they care about others. Christ actually does care. Which is why He would be more conservative.

You think Christ would advocate murdering children? Do you think He would advocate the destruction of the family? Do you think He would advocate government spending and subsidies over people taking responsibilty for themselves and giving privately to charity?

It was Christ who commanded men to not be idle. It was Christ who commanded men, not governments, to take care of the poor. It was Christ who taught the importants of integrity, truth, compassion all of which are lost on the modern day left.

No, Conservatives might not be perfect, but the Lord would find Himself at home among them far more than the powermongers on the left. Especially since far more conservatives would be willing to follow Him.

 

[Said1]

Did you actually read this before posting it? I especially like:

"When I judge them, I have not judged any Christian, must less all Christians."

Freakin' brilliant.

Maybe he means discerning?

 

[Gunny]

Try www.google.com.

It really isn't worth my time or effort. Don't believe it if you don't want.

Resolution Annexing Texas to the US.

http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/annex.htm

US Constitution

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

Texas v White 1868

http://www.agh-attorneys.com/4_texas_v_white.htm

In the first two links, you will find absolutely NO wording prohibiting Texas/states from seceeding from the Union. That any such notion or expectation existed was/is political poppycock. To this day, if you enter into a legal agreement with anyone-or-thing, there is ALWAYS a way out. Forcing states to remain within the union against their will and best interest is involuntary servitude.

The third link discusses the issue in depth.

Bottom line: Under the pretense of "freeing the slaves," the US wrongfully enslaved a sovereign Nation that had exercised its rights to end an agreement that was no longer of mutual benefit.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No, Christ isnt a socialist. He wouldnt fit in among liberals at all. You see Christ actually wants to help people. He also wants to help people help themselves. All modern liberalism does is pretend they care about others. Christ actually does care. Which is why He would be more conservative.

You think Christ would advocate murdering children? Do you think He would advocate the destruction of the family? Do you think He would advocate government spending and subsidies over people taking responsibilty for themselves and giving privately to charity?

It was Christ who commanded men to not be idle. It was Christ who commanded men, not governments, to take care of the poor. It was Christ who taught the importants of integrity, truth, compassion all of which are lost on the modern day left.

No, Conservatives might not be perfect, but the Lord would find Himself at home among them far more than the powermongers on the left. Especially since far more conservatives would be willing to follow Him.

Would christ support slave labor in china, and our empowerment of it?

 

[Gunny]

Maybe he means discerning?

Does that mean judging without judging?

 

[Said1]

Does that mean judging without judging?

Don't ask me, I haven't developed that skill yet.

 

[Gunny]

Don't ask me, I haven't developed that skill yet.

Well, flaja claims to be a teacher ...perhaps he can help you out.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well, flaja claims to be a teacher ...perhaps he can help you out.

A teacher? :shocked:

 

[Bullypulpit]

No, Christ isnt a socialist. He wouldnt fit in among liberals at all. You see Christ actually wants to help people. He also wants to help people help themselves. All modern liberalism does is pretend they care about others. Christ actually does care. Which is why He would be more conservative.

You think Christ would advocate murdering children? Do you think He would advocate the destruction of the family? Do you think He would advocate government spending and subsidies over people taking responsibilty for themselves and giving privately to charity?

It was Christ who commanded men to not be idle. It was Christ who commanded men, not governments, to take care of the poor. It was Christ who taught the importants of integrity, truth, compassion all of which are lost on the modern day left.

No, Conservatives might not be perfect, but the Lord would find Himself at home among them far more than the powermongers on the left. Especially since far more conservatives would be willing to follow Him.

Don't be so certain you can speak for Jesus.

As for his approval, I think he would find the slave labor conditions in the Northern Marianas Islands, a US territory, repugnant. These havens for US garment makers allow them to put "Made in the USA" labels on their garments, while the workers live in what amount to little more than labor camps. Attempts to reform these labor practices were blocked by none other than conservative darling, Tom DeLay, who to this day mouths the words of Christ, and soiling them with his hypocrisy every time he utters them.

As I said, more akin to Romans cheering the lions than the followers of Christ.

 

[flaja]

Jesus would be too liberal for todays crop of "Christian" conservatives, who remind me more of Romans cheering for the lions than of Christ's followers.

Explain.

How is Jesus too liberal for today’s Christian conservatives? Give specific examples.