Where did we Get the Idea that Agencies Created by Congress to be Under the Executive Branch are Supposed to be Independent?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Only the House can hold the President "in check" via impeachment, or the Supreme Court can via decisions.

His own branch has no such power as per the Constitution.

That will not stop executive members from stopping him. Sessions, Barr, Milley, Pence, Kelly, and others did.

 

[martybegan]

That will not stop executive members from stopping him. Sessions, Barr, Milley, Pence, Kelly, and others did.

Well he learned his lesson, and those twats aren't around anymore.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Well he learned his lesson, and those twats aren't around anymore.

Others are who will not stand for him being a dictator.

 

[martybegan]

Others are who will not stand for him being a dictator.

He's not a dictator, he's the President and their boss.

 

[Man With A Plan]

What exactly did they do to you that you believe is even slightly comparable to this regime?

When has Trump EVER used the IRS, FBI or DOJ against his political opposition? Show me HIS Lois Lerner moment?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He's not a dictator, he's the President and their boss.

As long as he acts within the law and the Constitution, it is his time in the sun, again. I agree.

 

[Blaster]

I thought the idea was for the President to lead the agencies, through his appointees, for Congress to have oversight over these agencies through information gathering and control of the purse strings, and for the courts to be able to step in when these agencies violate the Constitution.

That seems a lot better than having a bunch of unelected bureaucrats run the government, and refuse to obey the president, be accountable to Congress, or follow USSC rulings.

What does "independent" even mean when it comes to a government agency?

It seems that when one side or another says, "the __________ agency should be independent," it is because that agency wants to do something the policial side favors, but is rejected by the president, the congress, or the courts.

I don't believe that the independence of federal agencies is called for in the Constitution. Is there a statute that says calls for it? Do statutes establishing particular agencies mention whether and to what extent they will be independent?

USAID was an executive order created by JFK and not by Congress.

 

[martybegan]

As long as he acts within the law and the Constitution, it is his time in the sun, again. I agree.

The thing is the left will call "things I don't like" unconstitutional, and idiots like you will lap it up.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The thing is the left will call "things I don't like" unconstitutional, and idiots like you will lap it up.

Like MAGA does? Be an adult, marty.

 

[martybegan]

Like MAGA does? Be an adult, marty.

Being called out on that by a twat like you?

LOL GFY

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Being called out on that by a twat like you?

LOL GFY

marty is being silly again because he is not getting his way. He has never argued well, but that is his way. He likes to spit.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That will not stop executive members from stopping him. Sessions, Barr, Milley, Pence, Kelly, and others did.

How’d that work out for them?

 

[martybegan]

marty is being silly again because he is not getting his way. He has never argued well, but that is his way. He likes to spit.

I can argue just fine when the opposition warrants it.

you do not warrant it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

USAID was an executive order created by JFK and not by Congress.

In that case Trump should use this lockout to secure their paper and computer files for review and shut it down for good.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

On-topic Trump personality disorder. The President has no authority to interfere with or direct cases.

Yes, he does. The attorney general serves at his pleasure. If he doesn't like what they are doing, they can fire them.

 

[JoeMoma]

You may think so. In reality, that is not how the DOJ runs.

Tough, even Jeff Sessions told Trump "no" as did Bill Barr.

So the DOJ isn't adhering to the constitution!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, he does. The attorney general serves at his pleasure. If he doesn't like what they are doing, they can fire them.

Yes, but the Pres does not have the right to direct or get involved with cases.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So the DOJ isn't adhering to the constitution!

Of course it is. It's the President not adhering to COTUS.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, but the Pres does not have the right to direct or get involved with cases.

Why not?

The executive power of the United States is vested in the President of the United States. The President's executive power includes:

• Enforcing laws: The President is responsible for enforcing laws written by Congress.
  

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why not?

The executive power of the United States is vested in the President of the United States. The President's executive power includes:

• Enforcing laws: The President is responsible for enforcing laws written by Congress.

Because he is the Presidenet, not the AG. The Pres no more than anyone else is above the law. The AG is the People's attorney as Trump is the People's ceo.