Where Are The Left’s Success Stories?

[yidnar]

COMMIES!

I see COMMIES EVERYWHERE!

i hear one every time you post

 

[yidnar]

Social Security
Medicare
Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

you sure do post what you falsely believe to be a good form of socialism to defend socialism ...commie .

 

[rightwinger]

you sure do post what you falsely believe to be a good form of socialism to defend socialism ...commie .

Let me guess…..

Anything the Government does to help its citizens is SOCIALISM

 

[yidnar]

Let me guess…..

Anything the Government does to help its citizens is SOCIALISM

nope ...thats what you claim to defend your socialist [communism with training wheels] beliefs .

 

[whitehall]

Military History is written by the victors. The abject disaster of Dunkirk was rewritten by skilled media types into a heroic novel where the pathetic rescue of British Soldiers who were kicked off the European mainland was perceived as a victory. Pearl Harbor was a disaster that FDR''s oratory skills and the media's willingness turned into a victory. Iwo Jima was a disaster where 6,000 Marines died in a month taking a smelly island that could have been bypassed. Joe Rosenthal's remarkable photo of the Flag raising turned it into a bond raising victory drive. Harry Truman's adventure in Korea was a disaster and the media was stuck so they called it the "Forgotten War" even though more Americans were killed in three years in Korea than the ten years of Vietnam. Truman and MacArthur enjoyed a tickertape parade. Every military disaster in the 20th century happened during a democrat administration. Bill Clinton bypassed congress and bombed a defenseless country in Europe when he was caught with his pants down and the media called it a legitimate use of the military and a successful mission. George Bush's military operation in Iraq was probably the most successful use of the U.S. Military in decades but Bush was a republican and the media couldn't bring itself to proclaiming it a victory and with the cooperation of rogue CIA operatives Iraq turned into a political controversy.

 

[Ringo]

Can you name any........any not don't include the slaughter and oppression of their own citizens.

Do you know how you can kill people, up to genocide and be as clean as mountain snow and even preach Good to the whole world?
You just have to not consider those you want to destroy as citizens!
Like Indians in the USA : "Good Indian = Dead Indian" (с)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Do you know how you can kill people, up to genocide and be as clean as mountain snow and even preach Good to the whole world?
You just have to not consider those you want to destroy as citizens!
Like Indians in the USA : "Good Indian = Dead Indian" (с)

Are you offering the old de-bunked "Indian genocide" myth from government school????

You're quite the dunce, Bonzo.



. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

It is a myth that finds a home among America haters, who attempt to use slander of the settlers as a proxy for slandering today's Americans



Here's what happened:
" However, the arrival of the white man precipitated what was probably the worst
demographic disaster in history. It was not warfare but disease which played the major part. The Indians had no resistance to tuberculosis, pneumonia, cholera, typhus, smallpox and other European ailments, with the result that their population declined by about 90 per cent between 1492 and 1650, disappearing altogether in some areas."
"Wild in Woods: The Myth of the Noble Eco-Savage,' by Robert Whelan, p.29-30


So...any imbecile who claims that to be genocide, must also call the Plague genocide....

"The Black Death arrived in Europe by sea in October 1347 when 12 Genoese trading ships docked at the Sicilian port of Messina after a long journey through the Black Sea.... Over the next five years, the mysterious Black Death would kill more than 20 million people in Europe–almost one-third of the continent’s population." Black Death - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com


I said 'imbecile.'
You can raise your paw.




Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

No such thing happened.

 

[Ringo]

Are you offering the old de-bunked "Indian genocide" myth from government school????

The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease.
It is a myth that finds a home among America haters, who attempt to use slander of the settlers as a proxy for slandering today's Americans
So...any imbecile who claims that to be genocide, must also call the Plague genocide....

Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

No such thing happened.

Some of many sample of infectious disease:

December 30 1890, the US army massacred over 300 starving Lakota men, women, & children at Wounded Knee Creek as part of US policy to hunt every Lakota person down and kill them or force them onto concentration camps.

For 3 days, the frozen bodies of those massacred lay were they fell... until the army finally dug a mass grave and pitched the bodies in.
At least 20 soldiers who participated in the massacre were awarded the Medal of Honor & Colonel James W. Forsyth--who headed the 7th cavalry that committed the massacre--was later promoted to Major General.
Black Elk, who survived the massacre, described it: “When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women & children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes young."
Dewey Beard also survived the massacre, despite having been shot twice, described the massacre: “I had not gone far till I met White Face, my wife. She had been shot, the ball passing though her chin and shoulder, but she mumbled: “Let me pass. Let me pass. You go on...
"We will all die soon, she said, but I must get my mother." She crawled to where her mother lay, at the top of the bank, but as she lifted the body in her arms she fell dead, shot again."
Dewey Beard Continued: “I learned that Horn Cloud, my father, Yellow Leaf, my mother, my wife White Face, White Foot, our little child, my brother Pursued, my sister Her Horses had all been killed, and that my two brothers White Lance and Enemy were wounded.”
----
December 26, 1862, Abraham Lincoln ordered the largest ever mass execution in the country’s history, hanging 38 innocent Dakota men, after sham military trials. The ‘crime’ they were convicted of was resisting their own ethnic cleansing.
After a series of treaties forced on the Dakota onto land far too small to support their traditional hunting economy & US compensation never arrived, Dakota were facing starvation in Minnesota’s long, freezing winter, so the Dakota were forced to fight a war of resistance.
The battle of resistance lasted just 2 weeks before the Dakota agreed to surrender. Col. Henry H. Sibley promised them that only those who engaged in attacks on settlers would be punished. Yet, Sibley imprisoned 2,000 Dakota, men, women, and children, nearly all were innocent.
The detained were subjected to a military trial, where more than 300 were sentenced to death. The trials were a sham. The Dakota didn’t even know what they were charged with and were convicted by openly racist judges.
Following the guilty verdict, a wagon pulled the prisoners through towns so the shackled Dakota could be pelted with bricks and other objects, seriously injuring some prisoners. A mob attacked other Dakota and one baby was snatched from its mother’s arms and beaten to death.
A massive scaffold had been built in Mankato, Minnesota to hold all the condemned. More than 4,000 people crowded the square where the hanging was done, cheering when the execution was done.

Yes, it was an infectious disease called Capitalism.
It was no accident that Hitler carefully studied the experience of the American Indian genocide. He just applied it to white people. During the Cold War, American imperialist propaganda, now using the experience of the Nazis, depersonalized and dehumanized its enemy, the russians.
Capitalism is always ready to remember its roots and become fascism and nazism. And he will always have voluntary and paid propagandists like you, ready to explain and justify their crimes.

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[PoliticalChic]

Some of many sample of infectious disease:

December 30 1890, the US army massacred over 300 starving Lakota men, women, & children at Wounded Knee Creek as part of US policy to hunt every Lakota person down and kill them or force them onto concentration camps.

For 3 days, the frozen bodies of those massacred lay were they fell... until the army finally dug a mass grave and pitched the bodies in.
At least 20 soldiers who participated in the massacre were awarded the Medal of Honor & Colonel James W. Forsyth--who headed the 7th cavalry that committed the massacre--was later promoted to Major General.
Black Elk, who survived the massacre, described it: “When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women & children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes young."
Dewey Beard also survived the massacre, despite having been shot twice, described the massacre: “I had not gone far till I met White Face, my wife. She had been shot, the ball passing though her chin and shoulder, but she mumbled: “Let me pass. Let me pass. You go on...
"We will all die soon, she said, but I must get my mother." She crawled to where her mother lay, at the top of the bank, but as she lifted the body in her arms she fell dead, shot again."
Dewey Beard Continued: “I learned that Horn Cloud, my father, Yellow Leaf, my mother, my wife White Face, White Foot, our little child, my brother Pursued, my sister Her Horses had all been killed, and that my two brothers White Lance and Enemy were wounded.”
----
December 26, 1862, Abraham Lincoln ordered the largest ever mass execution in the country’s history, hanging 38 innocent Dakota men, after sham military trials. The ‘crime’ they were convicted of was resisting their own ethnic cleansing.
After a series of treaties forced on the Dakota onto land far too small to support their traditional hunting economy & US compensation never arrived, Dakota were facing starvation in Minnesota’s long, freezing winter, so the Dakota were forced to fight a war of resistance.
The battle of resistance lasted just 2 weeks before the Dakota agreed to surrender. Col. Henry H. Sibley promised them that only those who engaged in attacks on settlers would be punished. Yet, Sibley imprisoned 2,000 Dakota, men, women, and children, nearly all were innocent.
The detained were subjected to a military trial, where more than 300 were sentenced to death. The trials were a sham. The Dakota didn’t even know what they were charged with and were convicted by openly racist judges.
Following the guilty verdict, a wagon pulled the prisoners through towns so the shackled Dakota could be pelted with bricks and other objects, seriously injuring some prisoners. A mob attacked other Dakota and one baby was snatched from its mother’s arms and beaten to death.
A massive scaffold had been built in Mankato, Minnesota to hold all the condemned. More than 4,000 people crowded the square where the hanging was done, cheering when the execution was done.

Yes, it was an infectious disease called Capitalism.
It was no accident that Hitler carefully studied the experience of the American Indian genocide. He just applied it to white people. During the Cold War, American imperialist propaganda, now using the experience of the Nazis, depersonalized and dehumanized its enemy, the russians.
Capitalism is always ready to remember its roots and become fascism and nazism. And he will always have voluntary and paid propagandists like you, ready to explain and justify their crimes.

.

"December 30 1890, the US army massacred over 300 starving Lakota men, women, & children at Wounded Knee"

Now watch me provide the truth, something you've never been exposed to because it doesn't fit the hate-America narrative....


'Wounded Knee' is not what the America haters taught you it was.

Pop culture unfailingly paints the army as brutal killers, as in the famous South Dakota Wounded Knee ‘massacre,’ December 29, 1890. Robert Marshall Utley (born in 1929) is an author and historian who has written sixteen books on the history of the American West, including The Last Days of the Sioux Nation. Yale University Press, New Haven, CT (1963) in which he concludes that “the Indians fired at least 50 shots before the troops returned fire.”



1. "Mooney 'concluded that at the critical moment, the medicine man, Yellow Bird, urged the warriors to resist and gave the signal for the attack; that the first shot was fired by an Indian; and that the Indians were responsible for the engagement."
The Wild Frontier: Atrocities During the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee by William M. Osborn (Jan 9, 2001)




2. "There is no doubt who started that fight, although it is often called a massacre....[D]eliberate Sioux action, so timed as to indicate that it had been well plotted, initiated the slaughter. "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" (the title of the Brown book) may be a lovely phrase. It is still a false and misleading sentiment, dignifying conspiracy and honoring treachery."
"Crimsoned Prairie," by S. L. A. Marshall (Nov 1, 1972)

​

"Contrary to the popular conception of the Wounded Knee episode, the civilian authorities and the army showed great restraint and compassion in the events leading up to the encounter. Restraint and precautions were even observed during the battle" the army says.​

The civilian Army chief also contends that an Indian fired the first shot, that a newspaperman killed three Indians, for which the Army cannot be held responsible...​

The fighting erupted when the Army tried to persuade Chief Big Foot and his wandering braves to return to the Sioux reservation after first disarming.​

"But its really not black or white on either side. It was an Indian medicine man who fired the first shot....But when the first shot was fired, a group of other Indians dropped their blankets and let go at the soldiers." Beaver County Times - Google News Archive Search​

Probably you've been exposed to 'Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee"!!!!

One reviewer wrote: "What is depressing about this book is that thirty seven years after its publication most Americans are still so ill informed about the 19th century history of the West that they continue to give it rave reviews.
Mr. Brown was a gifted story teller but he was no historian (he was actually the librarian at the College of Agriculture at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana) and his account of the deeply moving and troubled tale of the clash of civilizations that was played out in the West (and it was truly a clash of civilizations: Irish-American vs. Anglo-American vs. Hispanic-American vs. Mormon-American vs. Union-American vs. ex-Confederate-American vs. New England American vs. Midwestern American vs. Brule Sioux vs. Northern Cheyenne vs. Southern Cheyenne vs. Blackfoot vs. Hopi vs. Navajo - and the list goes on) is, in my opinion, only slightly better than a caricature."



Just imagine how different you would be if you had an actual education.

 

[Ringo]

The fighting erupted when the Army tried to persuade Chief Big Foot and his wandering braves to return to the Sioux reservation after first disarming.​

Please, come back to Auschwitz, you, ungrateful bastards!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Please, come back to Auschwitz, you, ungrateful bastards!

I just eviscerated your hateful anti-American screed, and this is the best you can do????



Try again....post more lies and watch what I do to them and to you.

 

[Ringo]

I just eviscerated your hateful anti-American screed, and this is the best you can do????

Samuel A. Cartwright. Are you related to him? He also researched important things scientifically

Drapetomania - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The capitalists will always have goebbelses to "investigate and prove" any filth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Samuel A. Cartwright. Are you related to him? He also researched important things scientifically

Drapetomania - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The capitalists will always have goebbelses to "investigate and prove" any filth.

Everything I post is linked, sourced, and documented.....and 100% true, accurate and correct.


Post more lies, and I'll pulverize them and you.

 

[Mushroom]

Please, come back to Auschwitz, you, ungrateful bastards!

I often laugh at the propaganda about the Lakota. And how some eat it up.

True fact, the Lakota are names "Sioux" for a reason. It means "Rattlesnake". One of the tribes that had been part of the Mississippian Culture, they actually originated in the Lower Mississippi Region, around Tennessee. But after that culture imploded in the 15th century, like many they took up a nomadic lifestyle. But were just as brutal as the culture that spawned them.

First moving up the Mississippi to the Great Lakes region. But by the middle of the 17th century repeated wars with the Iroquois and Anishinaabe tribes who already populated that region saw them pushed west. Where one tribe after another they fought almost constantly. Crow, Pawnee, Arapaho, they fought all of them. And their making of agreements then almost immediately breaking them is what earned them that nickname. And they kept moving west. Until in the middle of the 18th century they arrived in the Dakotas, and kicked the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Arapaho out of what had been their traditional land and claimed it for themselves.

But they never stopped moving west. By the time the "whites" arrived, they were already pushing into Montana and Wyoming, and coming into conflict with the Blackfoot, Shoshone, and other tribes in that region. If not for Europeans, more than likely the Lakota would be around the banks of the Columbia right about now. Having forced their way through Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, then Oregon and Washington until the Pacific Ocean stopped them. Then likely they would have started to move south.

Here is the thing about the Lakota. They were one of the true "Nomadic Tribes" of the region between the Mississippi and Rocky Mountains. They never settled down anywhere, but for over 300 years moved, fought, and moved again. Myself, I would love to invent a time machine, and look back to the early to mid 1400s, to find out what their position was in the Mississippian Culture, and what caused them to become like that when it imploded.

I wonder how many are even aware of Massacre Canyon. I am always amazed that that one is somehow never mentioned. When a war party of over 1,500 Lakota descended upon a hunting camp of the Pawnee in southeastern Nebraska in 1873 where they killed at least 300 of a 400 person hunting party. Most of them women and children. And that was indisputably Pawnee land, they were the outside invaders. And among the dead were the wife and three children of Traveling Bear, the first Indian to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Most of what people who are not Indians that repeat the massacres against Lakota do not recognize the truth. That the Lakota were never peaceful, and they routinely committed massacres as bad or worse against other tribes and white settlers than was ever done against them.

Heck, compare them to the majority of tribes in the country and you will find something amazing. Long periods of time of very good relations, and few if any such events. Mohican, Shoshone, Maidu, Potawatomie, most of the Algonquin and Iroquois tribes, as well as probably 85% in the US did not have major conflicts with the settlers that arrived. Most of the conflicts were with a handful of tribes, who were a problem to other tribes long before Europeans arrived in the region.

 

[Mushroom]

Everything I post is linked, sourced, and documented.....and 100% true, accurate and correct.

Those who believe propaganda do not want to be informed of things like "facts". They would rather believe the lies because for some weird reason, it makes them feel better.

I often laugh at them, especially when they try to tell me how oppressed I am. Or call me a "traitor" because I am actually proud that teams and communities use imagery of my heritage as their mascots. I find it funny that the "Fighting Irish" is somehow something to be proud of, but the "Chiefs", "Braves", or "Redskins" is offensive for some reason

Heck, before it was changed to something inoffensive (I want to say the "Butterflies"), my high school team was the "Braves". And to be the mascot himself at the games, the participant had to be half or more Indian.. And all who competed for that considered it an honor. I still remember one of them was a friend of mine, and Vermillion was full blooded Shoshone.

I for one find it a disgrace that my heritage is systematically being scrubbed from America. And laughingly ironic that even Indian Schools have been forced to change their mascots. But to be fair, maybe they should all change. Pirates, Buccaneers, Padres, Dodgers, Yankees, all sports teams should change their mascots to flowers. That way nobody should be able to be offended.

Unless we end up with say the "Portland Pansies".

 

[Ringo]

I often laugh at the propaganda about the Lakota. ... But were just as brutal as the culture that spawned them.

Okay, the Lakotas were bad and the jews robbed the poor germans, so they all deserved what happened to them. You convinced me.
I would like you to also dispel the long-term fog of the bolshevik propaganda regarding the "Cherokee resettlement" and in general regarding these so-called "five civilized tribes".
I would also like to clarify the lie that all several hundred treaties of the American government with the Indians were violated by this government. So tired, you know, of reading these bolshie nonsense like this:

Cherokee Trail of Tears just one of many forced removals of Eastern tribes to Oklahoma - Cronkite News

The Trail of Tears, the forced removal of the Cherokee Nation to Oklahoma, was one of the most inhumane policy implementations in American history – but it was not an isolated incident.

cronkitenews.azpbs.org

"...
In 1831, nearly 16,000 members of the Cherokee Nation were forced under armed guard to leave their native lands in the southeastern United States to trek more than 1,000 miles to what eventually would become the state of Oklahoma.

Almost 4,000 Cherokees died along the way, never making it to the land designated by the U.S. government as Indian Territory.

Removal of the Choctaw Nation began even earlier, in 1830. Like the Cherokees, they were forced to leave their homes in the South and a way of life developed over millennia to start over in an alien environment on the prairie.

But the Cherokee and Choctaw nations are only two of the tribes with a removal story. There are 39 tribes in Oklahoma, five native to the state, that have stories to be told – each with its own trail of tears.

..Rather than protecting the tribes, the military was brutal, and one-fourth of the Cherokees died along the Trail of Tears of disease, starvation, exhaustion and exposure.

“I fought through the Civil War and have seen men shot to pieces and slaughtered by the thousands, but the Cherokee removal was the cruelest work I ever knew,” Meacham quoted one Georgia volunteer as saying years later about the removal.

The typical American history book treats the Trail of Tears as an isolated incident, said Kevin Gover, director of the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian and former assistant secretary for Indian Affairs in the Department of the Interior.

“But in fact, that was the policy of the United States for the better part of 100 years, to remove Indians from their homelands and then sell the land that Indians left behind to non-Indian settlers,” said Gover, who is Pawnee and grew up in Oklahoma.

Removal was not solely the result of Andrew Jackson behaving in bad faith, Gover said – it was a national project."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Those who believe propaganda do not want to be informed of things like "facts". They would rather believe the lies because for some weird reason, it makes them feel better.

I often laugh at them, especially when they try to tell me how oppressed I am. Or call me a "traitor" because I am actually proud that teams and communities use imagery of my heritage as their mascots. I find it funny that the "Fighting Irish" is somehow something to be proud of, but the "Chiefs", "Braves", or "Redskins" is offensive for some reason

Heck, before it was changed to something inoffensive (I want to say the "Butterflies"), my high school team was the "Braves". And to be the mascot himself at the games, the participant had to be half or more Indian.. And all who competed for that considered it an honor. I still remember one of them was a friend of mine, and Vermillion was full blooded Shoshone.

I for one find it a disgrace that my heritage is systematically being scrubbed from America. And laughingly ironic that even Indian Schools have been forced to change their mascots. But to be fair, maybe they should all change. Pirates, Buccaneers, Padres, Dodgers, Yankees, all sports teams should change their mascots to flowers. That way nobody should be able to be offended.
ic
Unless we end up with say the "Portland Pansies".

In America today, it is more comfortable to stand with the hate-America herd.

I blame the government school system.

Unless we can pry the schools from them, as earlier American pried their slaves from them.....America is lost.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Okay, the Lakotas were bad and the jews robbed the poor germans, so they all deserved what happened to them. You convinced me.
I would like you to also dispel the long-term fog of the bolshevik propaganda regarding the "Cherokee resettlement" and in general regarding these so-called "five civilized tribes".
I would also like to clarify the lie that all several hundred treaties of the American government with the Indians were violated by this government. So tired, you know, of reading these bolshie nonsense like this:

Cherokee Trail of Tears just one of many forced removals of Eastern tribes to Oklahoma - Cronkite News

The Trail of Tears, the forced removal of the Cherokee Nation to Oklahoma, was one of the most inhumane policy implementations in American history – but it was not an isolated incident.

cronkitenews.azpbs.org

"...
In 1831, nearly 16,000 members of the Cherokee Nation were forced under armed guard to leave their native lands in the southeastern United States to trek more than 1,000 miles to what eventually would become the state of Oklahoma.

Almost 4,000 Cherokees died along the way, never making it to the land designated by the U.S. government as Indian Territory.

Removal of the Choctaw Nation began even earlier, in 1830. Like the Cherokees, they were forced to leave their homes in the South and a way of life developed over millennia to start over in an alien environment on the prairie.

But the Cherokee and Choctaw nations are only two of the tribes with a removal story. There are 39 tribes in Oklahoma, five native to the state, that have stories to be told – each with its own trail of tears.

..Rather than protecting the tribes, the military was brutal, and one-fourth of the Cherokees died along the Trail of Tears of disease, starvation, exhaustion and exposure.

“I fought through the Civil War and have seen men shot to pieces and slaughtered by the thousands, but the Cherokee removal was the cruelest work I ever knew,” Meacham quoted one Georgia volunteer as saying years later about the removal.

The typical American history book treats the Trail of Tears as an isolated incident, said Kevin Gover, director of the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian and former assistant secretary for Indian Affairs in the Department of the Interior.

“But in fact, that was the policy of the United States for the better part of 100 years, to remove Indians from their homelands and then sell the land that Indians left behind to non-Indian settlers,” said Gover, who is Pawnee and grew up in Oklahoma.

Removal was not solely the result of Andrew Jackson behaving in bad faith, Gover said – it was a national project."

Our Savage Neighbors: How Indian War Transformed Early America[Paperback]​

Peter Silver

1. This book is about how fear and horror can remake whole societies and their political landscapes. These events, between Europeans and Indians, surprisingly ran towards a) a democratic revolution and the dignifying of ordinary people; a commitment to toleration, or at least a deep hostility to bigotry between Europeans; and, in time, most of the American republic’s institutional beginning.
   1. When the experience of Indian war engulfed the mid-Atlantic, especially Pennsylvania, some of the many dissatisfactions that European colonists had felt toward one another would be trumped.
   2. Despite the use of words land phrases like “Indian” and “white people,” modern racial thinking played no part in most groups’ views of each other…until the end of the American Revolution… [when] new rhetoric for decrying Indians was genuinely worth calling racist. p.xxi
   3. [W]hite people in this period were nearly always depicted as suffering at Indians’ hands rather than triumphing over them, and if Europeans did not identify with, and move to mitigate this suffering, then they did not deserve to rule them: this served as a test first of Quaker’s, and then British rule in the middle colonies. This was an important source of the fundamental revolutionary idea of a sovereign people.
   4. Quakers during the Seven Years’ War, and Loyalists and British people during the Revolution, would bear the brunt of accusations of caring too much for the Indians.
2. In the 1680’s, William Penn and thousands of other English and Welsh Quakers had arrived on the lower Delaware River to found Pennsylvania. A central part of Penn’s vision was to tolerate all religious denominations. Eventually he attracted other persecuted minorities including Huguenots, Mennonites, Amish, Catholics, Lutherans, and Jewsfrom England, France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Ireland, and Wales.
   1. Perhaps 100,000 immigrants from Ireland and 100,000 more from German-speaking Europe arrived via Philadelphia between 1700 and 1775.
   2. Many German-speaking immigrants, called ‘redemptioners,’ voyaging free in exchange for sale into indentured servitude, which would actually take the form of redemption through purchase by New World friends or relatives.
   3. Many hundreds of passengers died amid “vapors, terror, vomiting…diarrhea…mouth-rot and the like.” And “beat and used as if we were Slaves” by English-speaking crews. Mittleberger,“Reise nach Pennsylvanien,” pp. 92
   4. In 1750, Reading, Pennsylvania had a single house. Two years later there were 130.
3. The rapid increase in population resulted in abrasive relationships, by national origin, religion, custom, etc.
   1. Benjamin Franklin proposed that the Germans “will soon…out number us!”
   2. But, in November, 1747, Franklin writes "The Plain Truth," a pamphlet arguing for better military preparedness in PA. In the pamphlet is the first political cartoon published in America. Published in both English and German, and using many Old Testament examples, he tried to overcome the mid-Atlantic’s paralyzing divisions. The concluding sentence: “May the God of Wisdom, Strength and Power, the Lord of the Armies of Israel…unite the Hearts and Counsels of us all, of whatever SECT or NATION, in one…generous Publick Spirit.”
   3. But it would take a real war to transform the relations between colonial groups.
4. In the 1750’s, Britain and France began to contest the Ohio country, and Indian attacks attended the opening of the Seven Year’s War, as Ohio Indians sided with the French.
   1. France built a chain of forts in the region in 1753.
   2. 1755: Canadian and Indian forces devastated a large, vaunted expedition against Fort Duquesne by British troops under Maj, Gen, Edward Braddock. George Washington was in this expedition.
   3. Unable to have any success, the Quakers and Delawares in the east brokered a peace with the western Delawares in Easton, Pennsylvania in 1758.
   4. Defeat of Quebec in 1759; the tide of war changed.
   5. In 1756, the Rev. William Smith put on an adaptation of a popular play of the period, “Alfred, A Tragedy,” by David Mallett. The play celebrates King Alfred’s triumph over the savage Danes, 900 years prior. (The play contains the song ‘Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves! Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.’) He chose this due to similar circumstances of the colonies under incursions by the Indians.
5. Attacks by French-allied Indians hit Pennsylvania in October 1755. Sixty to one hundred arrived beyond the settlements, and divided into smaller groups, which went into different valleys to reconnoiter. Each spy ”lay[ing] about a House some days & nights, watching like a wolf” to see ”the situation of the Houses, the number of people at Each House, the places the People most frequent, & to observe at each House where there is most men, or women.” The individual farmsteads they chose a targets were at last attacked in parallel by still smaller groups, each only big enough to kill or capture the number of people it was likely to meet. Col. James Burd, “Pennsylvania Archives,” 199-104
   1. The brunt of these attacks fell on people who were outside doing field work. The attacks were manufactured to instill paralyzing fear- and they did.
   2. In 1756,William Fleming gave an unrivaled account of life in one of these little attack groups. Delawares stormed the house of Fleming’s neighbor, a farmer named Hicks, and took one of the Hicks boys as prisoner. The Indians then went on to instill fear by having Fleming witness the Hicks boys’ murder: they bludgeoned the boy to the ground with a tomahawk, split open his head- pausing at this point, in “Sport…to imitate his expiring Agonies” – and scalped him, and continued “all over besmared with [Hicks’s] blood.”
   3. Fleming wrote of watching while a youth from a neighboring family was taken by Indians while inside were “numerous Family of able young Men” and despite his “scream[ing] in a most piteous Manner for help,” his brothers made no attempt to help. A narrative of the sufferings and surprizing deliverances of William and Elizabeth Fleming [electron... | National Library of Australia
   4. Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1778. Four men, two with wives and eight children, were attacked by Indians. [T]his occaion’d our men to flee as fast as they could,…before they were out of sight of the wagon they saw the Indians attacking the women & Children with their Tomahawks.” The net day, the three men came back to the scene for the corpses, which include the stabbed and scalped bodies of Smith’s wife, and of “a Little girl kill’d & sclped, [and] a boy the same.” Pa. Arch. 1:6:591
6. The essential fact about Indian-European warfare in the middle colonies was that the Europeans almost always did very badly. Though the American Revolution brought about a glorified, misleading view of frontier fighters and riflemen, during the eighteenth century country people practically never managed to mount even faintly convincing defenses against Indian attacks….The only thing that worked was leaving. (p.53)
7. Although the original diversity to the European colonies was the cause of much abrasive relationships, once public debate centered on the suffering of ordinary country people who had been dismissed in the cities as worse than Indians were reshaped into grander figures, defined by their hardships more than their religion, their nationality, or any of their own troublesome actions. And, increasingly, they made useful symbols for the country as a whole.
   1. Scalped and mutilated bodies were regularly brought into towns to document Indian barbarity. One strain of the rhetoric simply displayed abuses to the human body before and after death, especially scalping, as well as incineration, nonburial, and dismemberment.
8. It is more than interesting to consider the impressions of Capt. Joseph Shippen, of the Pennsylvania regiment, in 1755, considering frontier calamities: “To me, such tragical Scenes re sometime truly pleasing. Not that I rejoice…my Heart melts within me with Pity & Compassion for the unhappy Object….Yet as the softer passions of the Breast inflame the Soul with a Disposition, to do its utmost Efforts for its relief, I enjoy in that Respect a secret pleasure…”
   1. To make sense of this, we must begin with the aesthetics of the sublime. The pre-Romantic literature of sensibility , which rose during the 18th century to dominate poetry, drama, and especially the new genre of the novel, was the first body of writing in English to exploit the aesthetic value of emotion. At the heart of this was the fascination with sublime sensation: the felling of being awed, struck with wonder-or horror- at something outside oneself.
   2. The discourse on the sublime was shifting from “an ethico-aesthetic enquiry into a psychology of the individual” at about the time the mid-Atlantics scenes of Indian war became available. DeBolla, “The Discourse of the Sublime: Readings in History, Aesthetics and the Subject,”p.42 This writing of the ‘pathetic sublime’ overwhelmed the reader with emotion at the sight of the suffering.
   3. Edmund Burke (in “A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful” in 1757) was the first to observe that terror and horror were the sublime emotions par excellence. The Beautiful, according to Burke, is what is well-formed and aesthetically pleasing, whereas the Sublime is what has the power to compel and destroy us. The preference for the Sublime over the Beautiful was to mark the transition from the Neoclassical to the Romantic era. Thus, the sight of physical pain and suffering was the wellspring of the strongest emotions we could feel. [p.84]

 

[Mushroom]

Okay, the Lakotas were bad and the jews robbed the poor germans

See, it is statements like that which cause me to largely tune out anything you say. You are not even attempting to discuss this clearly and factually, you are throwing out loads of propaganda, and demonizing anybody that dares to not agree with you.

Whenever you are ready to have an adult conversation, let me know. But take all the blathering bullcrap away from me, I don't want to hear it.

Oh, and the early "Indian Removals" by Andrew Jackson were of tribes that had sided with the British in the War of 1812, and attacked US settlements and soldiers during that conflict. Funny, but you seem to have forgotten to mention that. Or did you even know that? Did your books by "experts" discuss that at all? Because sure as heck, not all of the tribes were removed. Just the ones that were hostile during that war.

This is what I mean by having an "adult conversation". Something so far you seem to have been unable to have.

And yes, I am aware of the Trail of Tears in a way you probably never could. The Potawatomie had their own version called the "Trail of Death". This happened after many (not all) bands joined Tecumseh's Confederacy and waged war against the Americans at the request of the British. However, if you look there most bands are still exactly where they have traditionally been located. Around the Great Lakes and US-Canada border. Still in reservations that are their original land in Michigan, Wisconsin, and other areas. The only tribes relocated to Oklahoma were those that took part in Tecumseh's War.

Which by the way happens to be one of the bands I belong to. According to family legend, we were originally from the Illinois region before being relocated. Do I blame the "Whites" for moving that? Well, yes and no. I do blame the British, like the French before them for using the Indians as a pawn in their wars, then discarding them afterwards. But I also blame those tribal leaders at the time, as they largely ignored military targets and largely attacked settlers and other "soft targets" as we would call them today.

In essence, they got caught up in politics larger than they were, and picked the losing side. And after that war, many continued to fight the Americans. Those were the bands that were moved. The tribes that sided with the Americans? They are still on their lands.

I also laugh at how some point fingers at Americans for "violating treaties", but also ignore the violations of many tribes (specifically the Lakota). Shall we discuss the multiple attacks of the Lakota against the Arapaho, Creek, and Cheyanne tribes even after the Treaty of Fort Laramie? Funny how a handful of miners is seen by many as "justification" for the Lakota to go to war, but the dozens of attacks on other tribes well outside of their agreed upon reservation is completely ignored.

Oh, and a "reservation" is likely not at all what you think it is. It was not a prison, it was a political distinction, creating a semi-autonomous region inside of the country. Not unlike how The Vatican is a different political entity inside of Italy. And the borders were agreed upon, and both sides promised to respect it. Are you even aware that the Army was originally outside of the Lakota Reservation after the Treaty of Fort Laramie to keep settlers out?

Not to keep Indians inside, but to keep out the settlers. But unlike most agreements with tribes, the Lakota were never happy to settle down, and continued to fight anybody and everybody they could. Even attacking forts put up in Comanche land that were requested by the Comanche themselves to keep out the marauding Lakota.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And, a few observations about the Left's Nobel Savages.


1. First, and foremost, there was no such genocide.


Second....the use of 'indigenous' is misleading.....


2. We should never allow the Left to control the language, as they corrupt it. The American Indians were not ‘native’ to this continent. Any study of same….not government school….will prove that the ‘Indians’ migrated over the Bering land bridge from my home continent. The Asian visitors settled in the northwest, moved down the west coast, and on to South America.

3.The appellation ‘native’ is useful for the Left as it allows them to paint those individuals as victims to the explorers/settlers/pioneers. If there were no ‘natives,’ then both sides had equal rights to the continent.




4. Next is the nature of the Indian societies. They were far from that bogus title the elites have awarded them: Nobel Savages.

They were simply savages, who inspired fear due to their propensity for murder and torture.

These were stone age peoples, thousands of years behind the advancement of the settlers. They moved from one locale to another, using up resources, burning down entire forests, and slaughtering species to the point of extinction.

Why celebrate those sorts of societies?


5. They were thousands of years behind the development of the Europeans…..

Here…..simply proof of this statement.




While they did have fire, probably due to a confluence of natural events, they never developed even the simplest implements of mechanical advantage. The rest of the world did, thousands of years prior.


That simplest of ‘tools’???? The wheel.

“The invention of the wheel falls into the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. This implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture and of pottery, dtheuring the Aceramic Neolithic.

Two types of early Neolithic European wheel and axle are known; a circumalpine type of wagon construction (the wheel and axle rotate together, as in Ljubljana Marshes Wheel), and that of the Baden culture in Hungary (axle does not rotate). They both are dated to c. 3200–3000 BCE.””
Wheel - Wikipedia

PLAINS

The Plains People - Transportation / Migration





See any wheels on those conveyances????

You won’t see any land deeds either.



It wasn't until European settlers explained capitalism to the Indians that they saw the value of ownership.


I bet they never taught that in government school.