Where Are The Arguments Against America First?

[Curried Goats]

If Kummie wins it will be hilarious watching you leftards cover her incompetence. Just like with Which Storm *Joe and Beer Summit Obama.

You sure you won't still be crying about how you're not really losers in your make believe version of reality?

 

[Mac-7]

Americans used to have leaders that cared about the health of the nation more than their own electoral victory. Trump cultivates this distrust because he personally benefits from it.

I dont completely disagree

But it can be argued that human nature is no worse than it ever was

In any case thats no excuse for the losey-goosy process that we have devolved into

 

[Marener]

I dont completely disagree

But it can be argued that human nature is no worse than it ever was

In any case thats no excuse for the losey-goosy process that we have devolved into

Our country has benefited from true statement who put the country first. Other countries have devolved and gone to quite bad places when a leader pushes alternate realities for personal benefit.

I hope our country comes out of this okay, but I have my doubts. I see how MAGA doubles down even when the facts demonstrate their narratives to be false. This is of course worsened by social media and exclusion of traditional media.

The process isn't the problem. It's Trump and MAGA pushing a false narrative.

 

[Mac-7]

Our country has benefited from true statement who put the country first. Other countries have devolved and gone to quite bad places when a leader pushes alternate realities for personal benefit.

I hope our country comes out of this okay, but I have my doubts. I see how MAGA doubles down even when the facts demonstrate their narratives to be false. This is of course worsened by social media and exclusion of traditional media.

The process isn't the problem. It's Trump and MAGA pushing a false narrative.

I dont completely disagree

The high point in American history may have been reached with the WW2 generation

Since they passed the torch to the Baby Boomers its been downhill ever since

 

[Marener]

I dont completely disagree

The high point in American history may have been reached with the WW2 generation

Since they passed the torch to the Baby Boomers its been downhill ever since

That's a bunch of whiney bullshit.

We can do better than this, but people have to come back to reality. Trump is a huge obstacle to this.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If Kummie wins it will be hilarious watching you leftards cover her incompetence. Just like with Which Storm *Joe and Beer Summit Obama.

4% unemployment covers a lot of incompetence.

 

[g5000]

Where Are The Arguments Against America First?​

Trump does not put America first. He puts himself, and only himself, first.

Trump hates America. All he does when he speaks is talk about how much he hates America. How much America sucks.

I have never in my life called anyone a fascist.

Never.

Trump is a fascist.

 

[otto105]

I cant prove the election was stolen

But the process is so flawed that you cant prove it wasnt stolen either

I want a system that no one can question

2020 was a fair and accurate election. Possibly the most accurate in our history.

We have that already.

 

[Mac-7]

2020 was a fair and accurate election.

Thats your opinion

I disagree

 

[otto105]

Thats your opinion

I disagree

You’re a fuckup with no proof other than a painted on orange fuckup telling you lies.

 

[Mac-7]

You’re a fuckup with no proof other than a painted on orange fuckup telling you lies.

Ok otto, whatever you say

 

[g5000]

Thats your opinion

I disagree

No, it's a fact.

You should read the facts in Jack Smith's latest filing. It will make you want to kick Donald Trump in the mouth every day for the rest of his life.

He put the lives of innocent brave REPUBLICAN election officials in danger.

He was informed by EVERYONE around him that he lost. He was informed by REPUBLICAN election officials EVERYWHERE that he lost.

And he chose to sic his mad mob on them for telling him the facts.

 

[Mac-7]

No, it's a fact.

You should read the facts in Jack Smith's latest filing. It will make you want to kick Donald Trump in the mouth every day for the rest of his life.

He put the lives of innocent brave REPUBLICAN election officials in danger.

He was informed by EVERYONE around him that he lost. He was informed by REPUBLICAN election officials EVERYWHERE that he lost.

And he chose to sic his mad mob on them for telling him the facts.

He lost

But was the election fair and honest?

I dont think so

End the mail-in ballot and make every voter prove citizenship and present picture ID at the polling place

 

[g5000]

He lost

But was the election fair and honest?

I dont think so

End the mail-in ballot and make every voter prove citizenship and present picture ID at the polling place

The election was fair and honest.

For example, they did a recount of the ballots THREE TIMES, including a hand recount. And the recounts matched the voting machine results EVERY TIME.

You only have doubts because the fascist wannabe told you to.

 

[g5000]

Trump attempted a violent coup. He also created illegal electors in seven states.

Anyone who thinks Trump puts America first is a fucking idiot.

 

[Mac-7]

The election was fair and honest.

For example, they did a recount of the ballots THREE TIMES, including a hand recount. And the recounts matched the voting machine results EVERY TIME.

You only have doubts because the fascist wannabe told you to.

Sez you

But I dont agree

 

[g5000]

Sez you

But I dont agree

That's because you steadfastly refuse to read the facts available to you.

It its not "sez me". It is every Republican official who told Trump it was so. And Trump tried to get them killed.

 

[Mac-7]

That's because you steadfastly refuse to read the facts available to you.

It its not "sez me". It is every Republican official who told Trump it was so. And Trump tried to get them killed.

The “facts” merely say that no evidence has been discovered by people in power who oppose trump

Implement the changes I suggest and suspicions about the voting process will go away

 

[Billo_Really]

Have you noticed? In the Media, on the TV, in the Web or here on USMB, every discussion, every heated argument, every thread is against TRUMP! Not only do you never see any JUSTIFICATION for what exactly it is the Harris would do, her POLICIES that would be so much better than Trump's plans, but nothing criticizing Trump plans!

Or anything he actually DID when president. The entire election debate by the Left has been made PERSONAL.

It is all aimed at THE MAN HIMSELF. Trump. You know, that fat, overweight, orange golfer who eats poorly and used to camp around with international models. Every attack is either against HIM or his SUPPORTERS.

You know, those awful, DEPLORABLE, country hicks, hillbillies, backwoods people who have never even had electricity who drive horse-drawn wagons and sleep with their cousins who support Trump. Still living in the 19th century. It is the same bias they cleverly disguised in the 1960s as The Beverly Hillbillies and in the 1970s with Archie Bunker.

In the vernacular of logic, we call that an AD HOMINEM attack--- attacking not the message but the MESSENGER. This is a fallacious argument, it is a personal rather than logical argument first recognized and defined by Aristotle himself. It is a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background.

We have seen it all here countless times by people like Mac1958 and numerous others.

This is the Left. This is the substance of the entire case against Trump (and his supporters). That is the basis of the entire "cult" argument, that by minimizing or delegitimizing the people themselves, you avoid the argument itself. Basically, those attacking Trump, their entire case is: "We didn't like him in 2016 and we still don't like him now." Even when they manage to point to some event, it isn't actually about anything that Trump or his supporters themselves really did, but a situation THE LEFT CREATED that merely INVOLVED Trump or his supporters that they created or drew these people into as a result of their embittered dislike of him.

I dare the Left to present an actual argument here that ISN'T about Trump the man or his supporters! But they cannot. They never do. Worse, they use this same crutch, JUST AS WITH JOE BIDEN in 2020, as their ENTIRE CASE FOR SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS. I mean, was there ever a single time since 2020 that you ever heard anyone say: "Gee, instead of Joe, I sure wish we had Harris as president instead?"

The entire case AGAINST Trump or FOR Harris, it is all based on a cleverly disguised leftwing fallacy. This is the core of the means of defeating Kamala Harris at the voting polls--- The Left actually have NO REAL ARGUMENT as to why Trump shouldn't be president or that Harris should be, other than THEY JUST DON'T LIKE HIM.

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

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Trump stands up in front of a rally crowd for 39 minutes listening to music like a deranged, senile old man and you think we should not take that into consideration when evaluating him?

The fucker can't answer a single question and you think we should disregard his mental acuity?

And the dude can't open his mouth without lying and you think we should just look the other way?

Hey dude, we can't criticize his policies because he doesn't have any! Tariffs? Give me a fucking break!

 

[toobfreak]

Trump stands up in front of a rally crowd for 39 minutes listening to music like a deranged, senile old man and you think we should not take that into consideration when evaluating him?

Idiot, that has already been debunked as a total fabricated lie. There is a thread on that running concurrently RIGHT NOW. He was playing music because the place was so hot inside (on a cool day) that people were getting overcome with heat and they wouldn't open the doors to let cool air in nor turn the AC on. Geesh. Get with it.

ABC completely debunks lie Trump was dazed and confused during town hall and just played music.

And of course, several Democrats here bought the lies. Trump stopped the event due to medical emergencies, and then said he would play a few songs and would end the event. People stayed for 45 minutes.

www.usmessageboard.com

The fucker can't answer a single question and you think we should disregard his mental acuity?

He answers questions all the time and at length. Without a teleprompter. You been living in a vacuum?
Harris answers no questions and goes blank when her prompter turns off.

And the dude can't open his mouth without lying and you think we should just look the other way?

Harris, Biden and Obumma do nothing but lie. Now Harris is lying that she doesn't support an EV mandate after campaigning on it for years.

Hey dude, we can't criticize his policies because he doesn't have any! Tariffs? Give me a fucking break!

Trump has a long list of policies. Had them for years. Used them in office from 2017 to 2021.
Harris got hers off of Joe Biden's website.