When will the next "lewd" tape recording be released?

[Mac1958]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

 

[gipper]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

 

[Esmeralda]

When is the next debate? Btw, anyone thinking "Fox News" is in the bag for Trump are stupid. Yes, all left wingers are stupid. That is a fact as we all know.

The funny thing is when they released that horrible thing Trump said 12 years ago, that all men and women say (especially women) just before the last debate, it was suppose to be the kill shot.....again. By Monday he was suppose to bow out and Pence take over. CNN had their orders, to TAKE HIM OUT, and damn they tried. Didn't they?

Of course the sheep fall right in line. The little lambs, just falling for all of the transparent political games. They are adorable aren't they? Especially when they portray themselves as being soooo intelligent and morally superior. Sigh.....

Anyway, the scary thing is if sure fire tactics don't work the way they worked on Cain or Allen West, is they will go to more extreme measures. That is my prediction. In order to protect their secrets? The notion that Trump might open an investigation into hillary? Oh, that is their worst nightmare.

What, you don't think that has the potential of putting EVERYONE IN JAIL? Including republicans and everyone else who dip their beaks into God knows what?

If he is a real threat to win it and if he is not taken out by the normal methods, they will go to other EXTREMES.

Either way, as I predicted, no way does he survive the political establishment machine.

He has said there may be more tapes out there. He is admitting he has talked like this before and may have been taped. So, there may be other tapes released.

As far as your conspiracy theory ideas....

Basically, you are already whining about him losing.

 

[Theowl32]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

Is there something ambiguous about "a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country"?

Let's hear about their personal income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their business income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their idea of the role of the Fed and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans about Russia and the Middle East and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their specific plans for health care and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for unions and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for improving race relations and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for education and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for financial industry regulation and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for immigration and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

That's a start.

And then, when both of them provide the above specific information, the other could respectfully challenge them, and then they could go back and forth.

Did I really need to say this?
.

Oh sooo, neither of them have addressed those specific things?

Can you please say what you want as far as income tax, immigration, or minimum wage etc?

Forget what they have not put out in detail, just tell me what YOU want.

Thanks

 

[Mac1958]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

 

[Esmeralda]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

I strongly believe that if Hillary were debating a normal competitor, the debates would be civil and detailed on the issues. She is being dragged down because of what Trump does and says. It 's Trump and Trump alone who has dragged the debates, both primary and national, through the mud.

 

[Theowl32]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

Can you please now tell us what you want?

Thanks

 

[gipper]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

Is this statement considered partisan in your mind?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

 

[Mac1958]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

Is there something ambiguous about "a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country"?

Let's hear about their personal income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their business income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their idea of the role of the Fed and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans about Russia and the Middle East and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their specific plans for health care and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for unions and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for improving race relations and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for education and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for financial industry regulation and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for immigration and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

That's a start.

And then, when both of them provide the above specific information, the other could respectfully challenge them, and then they could go back and forth.

Did I really need to say this?
.

Oh sooo, neither of them have addressed those specific things?

Can you please what you want as far as income tax, immigration, or minimum wage etc?

Forget what they have not put out in detail, just tell me what YOU want.

Thanks

Has this happened in their debates? Really? Maybe I missed it, please provide a link.

And I'm more than happy to provide specifics on my stand on issues -- no one provides more original thought and ideas on the issues than ol' Mac -- but I'm not going to hijack a thread. Please feel free to start a thread on that and I'll be happy to contribute.

Looking forward to that link, thanks.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

Is this statement considered partisan in your mind?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

It's terribly simplistic.

What, in your mind, is "extremism", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "liberty", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "moderation", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "justice", specifically?

My mind doesn't work in bumper sticker slogans. Life is more complicated than that.
.

 

[Mac1958]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

I strongly believe that if Hillary were debating a normal competitor, the debates would be civil and detailed on the issues. She is being dragged down because of what Trump does and says. It 's Trump and Trump alone who has dragged the debates, both primary and national, through the mud.

I do think that's possible.

We're just in uncharted territory here.
.

 

[Moonglow]

When is the next debate? Btw, anyone thinking "Fox News" is in the bag for Trump are stupid. Yes, all left wingers are stupid. That is a fact as we all know.

The funny thing is when they released that horrible thing Trump said 12 years ago, that all men and women say (especially women) just before the last debate, it was suppose to be the kill shot.....again. By Monday he was suppose to bow out and Pence take over. CNN had their orders, to TAKE HIM OUT, and damn they tried. Didn't they?

Of course the sheep fall right in line. The little lambs, just falling for all of the transparent political games. They are adorable aren't they? Especially when they portray themselves as being soooo intelligent and morally superior. Sigh.....

Anyway, the scary thing is if sure fire tactics don't work the way they worked on Cain or Allen West, is they will go to more extreme measures. That is my prediction. In order to protect their secrets? The notion that Trump might open an investigation into hillary? Oh, that is their worst nightmare.

What, you don't think that has the potential of putting EVERYONE IN JAIL? Including republicans and everyone else who dip their beaks into God knows what?

If he is a real threat to win it and if he is not taken out by the normal methods, they will go to other EXTREMES.

Either way, as I predicted, no way does he survive the political establishment machine.

Wikileaks has been real let down...

 

[Moonglow]

When is the next debate? Btw, anyone thinking "Fox News" is in the bag for Trump are stupid. Yes, all left wingers are stupid. That is a fact as we all know.

The funny thing is when they released that horrible thing Trump said 12 years ago, that all men and women say (especially women) just before the last debate, it was suppose to be the kill shot.....again. By Monday he was suppose to bow out and Pence take over. CNN had their orders, to TAKE HIM OUT, and damn they tried. Didn't they?

Of course the sheep fall right in line. The little lambs, just falling for all of the transparent political games. They are adorable aren't they? Especially when they portray themselves as being soooo intelligent and morally superior. Sigh.....

Anyway, the scary thing is if sure fire tactics don't work the way they worked on Cain or Allen West, is they will go to more extreme measures. That is my prediction. In order to protect their secrets? The notion that Trump might open an investigation into hillary? Oh, that is their worst nightmare.

What, you don't think that has the potential of putting EVERYONE IN JAIL? Including republicans and everyone else who dip their beaks into God knows what?

If he is a real threat to win it and if he is not taken out by the normal methods, they will go to other EXTREMES.

Either way, as I predicted, no way does he survive the political establishment machine.

>>> Waiting for the tape where Hillary/on a hot mike is bragging how she used to be able to just start kissing any man and grabbing {His Big ___________} whenever she wanted to in her 20's.

She strikes meas an iceberg...

 

[gipper]

One can't ride the fence and appear above it all, if one clearly outlines their positions.

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

Is this statement considered partisan in your mind?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

It's terribly simplistic.

What, in your mind, is "extremism", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "liberty", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "moderation", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "justice", specifically?

My mind doesn't work in bumper sticker slogans. Life is more complicated than that.
.

Oh damn...stop. I am laughing too hard. Please stop.

You really missed your calling. You should be a liberal politician.

 

[Esmeralda]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

I strongly believe that if Hillary were debating a normal competitor, the debates would be civil and detailed on the issues. She is being dragged down because of what Trump does and says. It 's Trump and Trump alone who has dragged the debates, both primary and national, through the mud.

I do think that's possible.

We're just in uncharted territory here.
.

The Republican candidates tried to talk issues in their debates. Hillary tries to deal with issues. It is all down to Trump, all the name calling, the personal attacks. The level of civility goes down when his opponents defend themselves and react to his insults.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Hillary on a hot mike: You know, I really never loved Bill, actually I have always had a crush on Monica, I mean, she is just soo F_____Kn Hot, love her big white ass!

 

[Theowl32]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

Is there something ambiguous about "a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country"?

Let's hear about their personal income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their business income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their idea of the role of the Fed and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans about Russia and the Middle East and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their specific plans for health care and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for unions and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for improving race relations and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for education and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for financial industry regulation and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for immigration and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

That's a start.

And then, when both of them provide the above specific information, the other could respectfully challenge them, and then they could go back and forth.

Did I really need to say this?
.

Oh sooo, neither of them have addressed those specific things?

Can you please what you want as far as income tax, immigration, or minimum wage etc?

Forget what they have not put out in detail, just tell me what YOU want.

Thanks

Has this happened in their debates? Really? Maybe I missed it, please provide a link.

And I'm more than happy to provide specifics on my stand on issues -- no one provides more original thought and ideas on the issues than ol' Mac -- but I'm not going to hijack a thread. Please feel free to start a thread on that and I'll be happy to contribute.

Looking forward to that link, thanks.
.

Cool, whatever.

Can you now please tell me what direction you would like to see the country go?

I know I am pissing in the wind with you. I am not expecting you to tell me what direction YOU WANT this country to go.

What I do know is you are a never trumper. Which means one of a few things. One, you are a socialist who does not like all of things the free market enterprise has provided you in the ways of countless opportunities and amenities. You think blacks have no rights and need more free things cause they are incapable of achieving anything without hand outs. Maybe you like Unfettered immigration and hate the notion that this country has immigration laws like every other country.

I don't know. I don't know what you want, cause you are dancing around my rhetorical questions like wild injuns around a fire.

I will try it again.

What direction do you want this country to go? The way of Europe and their socialist shit, or the free market that the world envies?

 

[Mac1958]

My side of the "fence" is laid out in my sig.

I made it as simple as I could.
.

and that IS riding the fence.

I realize that's how partisans think. "If you're not this, you must be that".

Simple, binary, safe.

No problem.
.

Is this statement considered partisan in your mind?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

It's terribly simplistic.

What, in your mind, is "extremism", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "liberty", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "moderation", specifically?

What, in your mind, is "justice", specifically?

My mind doesn't work in bumper sticker slogans. Life is more complicated than that.
.

Oh damn...stop. I am laughing too hard. Please stop.

You really missed your calling. You should be a liberal politician.

I'm just a financial advisor, and I have to carefully examine all facets of a situation before I make a move.

I don't have the luxury of just spitting out shallow slogans like some drunk guy at a bar saying "If I were King, I'd....."

I know that there are always multiple sides to a story, and I'm humble enough to realize I don't know it all. So I have to carefully and patiently collect, digest, and analyze information before drawing a conclusion.

I can't just listen to the radio to be told what to think, I have to be responsible.
.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Anthony Weiner on a hot mike: you know, i have to admit, I really never loved Huma, I only married her because she has a vagina.

 

[Mac1958]

When's the last time this campaign had a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country?

What a ******* embarrassment.
.

Hillary's? Cause all she has and all democrats ever have is the victimology strategy.

Name anything that she stands for that is not trying to placate any perceived victim.

From the minimum wage bullshit......AND poor poor little women who get sooooo mistreated by white male Christians.

Name one thing. Trump has actually brought a lot of issues to the forefront, which is then turned into racism by the left.

You are denying hillary lies? Really, I cannot tell.

What are your specific concerns. Humor me for a moment. Try NOT pretending you are above political extremes ONCE and tell me exactly what you want.

Blacks to have more things? What? Unfettered immigrant crossing the border? 100s of thousands of Syrian refugees coming in? You think they will all be "vetted" or is that done so conservatives would protest so they can set up their narrative how racist conservative America is?

What do you specifically want?

Is there something ambiguous about "a substantive, civil and detailed conversation on the issues that affect this country"?

Let's hear about their personal income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their business income tax plans and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their idea of the role of the Fed and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans about Russia and the Middle East and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their specific plans for health care and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for unions and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for improving race relations and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for education and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for financial industry regulation and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

Let's hear about their plans for immigration and precisely why they feel it's the best way to go, supported by appropriate facts and data.

That's a start.

And then, when both of them provide the above specific information, the other could respectfully challenge them, and then they could go back and forth.

Did I really need to say this?
.

Oh sooo, neither of them have addressed those specific things?

Can you please what you want as far as income tax, immigration, or minimum wage etc?

Forget what they have not put out in detail, just tell me what YOU want.

Thanks

Has this happened in their debates? Really? Maybe I missed it, please provide a link.

And I'm more than happy to provide specifics on my stand on issues -- no one provides more original thought and ideas on the issues than ol' Mac -- but I'm not going to hijack a thread. Please feel free to start a thread on that and I'll be happy to contribute.

Looking forward to that link, thanks.
.

Cool, whatever.

Can you now please tell me what direction you would like to see the country go?

I know I am pissing in the wind with you. I am not expecting you to tell me what direction YOU WANT this country to go.

What I do know is you are a never trumper. Which means one of a few things. One, you are a socialist who does not like all of things the free market enterprise has provided you in the ways of countless opportunities and amenities. You think blacks have no rights and need more free things cause they incapable of achieving anything without hand outs. Maybe you like Unfettered immigration and hate the notion that this country has immigration laws like every other country.

I don't know. I don't know what you want, cause you are dancing around my rhetorical questions like wild injuns around a fire.

I will try it again.

What direction do you want this country to go? The way of Europe and their socialist shit, or the free market that the world envies?

Okay, I'll (once again) keep this as simple as I can.

Imagine a line with a libertarian utopia on the Right and a Communist Utopia on the Left.

A Euro-social Democracy would be to the Left of where we are now, but to the right of actual Socialism.

I'd like to be about halfway between where we are now and a Euro-social Democracy.

Here's another idea: I think this graph from an online political test is pretty accurate: