When references are made to institutionalized racism, this is what is meant.

[Hutch Starskey]

What is you solution to the fact that employers prefer white or asian employees?

What are DEI initiatives for $200 ,Alex.

A look at what DEI means amid Trump executive orders

Conservative legislators are attacking DEI efforts in schools and workplaces. What does DEI mean and what is its purpose?

abcnews.go.com

 

[Concerned American]

DEI iniatives are meant to train those hiring that biases like these exist and how to avoid them when selecting candidates. But of course conservatives are systemically fighting those as a matter of policy.

What's wrong with this DEI picture? Where is your DEI. Strange how I don't see one white face. Do you think they would hire Billy Ray Joe Bob? Hmmm.

 

[dblack]

We must never question the legitimacy of any study, ever.

DURR

I'm not trying to deny anything. Racism is totally real. But this is still a shitty way to study racism. All they've really shown is that 9.4% of the time, employers shy away from applicants with weird names.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I'm sure institutional racism is going on today. But the study is pretty weak.

Regardless, I think most people think of institutional racism and racism infecting our legal institutions. Maybe the equivocation is deliberate?

The study is just a snapshot of a few national employers. It doesn’t take much to extrapolate that data across all employers to see just how large of a problem it might actually be.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Even if we take the "study" at face value, 9.5% sounds more like "exception" than rule.

So it’s not really a problem then?
How about 10% across all employers?
How many people would that affect?

 

[Concerned American]

So it’s not really a problem then?
How about 10% across all employers?
How many people would that affect?

How about 13% across all employees.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What's wrong with this DEI picture? Where is your DEI. Strange how I don't see one white face. Do you think they would hire Billy Ray Joe Bob? Hmmm.
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In the Black owned business owners?
Umm… Diversity means candidates and employees other than able bodied straight white male christians who dominate everything.

You honestly don’t realize that?

 

[dblack]

The study is just a snapshot of a few national employers. It doesn’t take much to extrapolate that data across all employers to see just how large of a problem it might actually be.

Ok. But what makes that "institutional"?

It's an important question, to me, because "institutional" suggests government involvement. I adamantly oppose state racism, but I don't think the state has any business dictating personal preferences or hiring practices. So they are very different concerns.

If "institutional" just means widespread, then that's a different matter. It's also deceptive labeling.

 

[Dragonlady]

Meanwhile government contracts can include MBE/WBE requirements that basically force contractors to give 10%-30% of their contract to these subcontractors, basically blocking out males and whites from these enterprises.

But that's OK because "reasons"

It's absolute bullshit that whites or males are being blocked out of contracts, given that only 10 - 30% of contracts must go to minorities. That leaves 70% to go to white people. Gasp!!! And white people are 70% of the populatioon.

 

[dblack]

So it’s not really a problem then?

Who said that?

How about 10% across all employers?

Yep.

How many people would that affect?

A lot.

 

[BrokeLoser]

So he should never hire a MAGA hat wearing shit stirrer… true?

Not necessarily…a businessman in real America probably should…one running a rent-a-wheel shop or weed store in any of Americas ghettos and barrios should not…he should probably hire this amazing specimen.

See, it’s a two-way street. Companies should have the right to hire whoever they feel best fits in and advances their business.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You want to micromanage business and force employers to hire people they believe are substandard?

They believe they’re substandard by their name?

 

[dblack]

Not necessarily…a businessman in real America probably should…one running a rent-a-wheel shop or weed store in any of Americas ghettos and barrios should not…he should probably hire this amazing specimen.
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LOL - I was just think of having you post your picture, for a side-by-side comparison.

See, it’s a two-way street. Companies should have the right to hire whoever they feel best fits in and advances their business.

Agreed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The public has good reasons for assuming that black people do not make the best employees

Who wants to hire people who cant read and write?

It’s not hard to see that such biases exist.

 

[Polishprince]

No one is pretending to be anything other than a qualified candidate.
It’s your biased imagination that draws any distinction.

They are PRETENDING to be something they ain't.

That's the key to the whole study.

And anyone who is wasting people's time by anonymously pretending to be something they are not, actually should be rejected- regardless of what race they are or are pretending to be.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Who said that?

Yep.

A lot.

So it’s a big problem for diverse candidates to overcome then?

 

[Polishprince]

Re-read your post. If you can't figure it out for yourself I can't help you. Just keep in mind the subject matter is discriminatory hiring practices for applicants with equivalent credentials.

In this study, the applicants didn't have any credentials at all. Neither the fake whites nor fake blacks.

 

[Unkotare]

Why do you suppose Asian immigrants change their names to something more ‘American’?
Is it because they’re smart enough to know how to properly assimilate and the importance of fitting in?

They used to do that because it is such a pain in the ass to stop in and explain your name repeating it over and over for some dumb ass like you with ears made of meatloaf. For the most part, people don’t do that anymore.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They are PRETENDING to be something they ain't.

That's the key to the whole study.

And anyone who is wasting people's time by anonymously pretending to be something they are not, actually should be rejected- regardless of what race they are or are pretending to be.

Of course you don’t know that anyone saw them as fake.
The study only offered qualified candidates. The only difference were the names attached to the resumes.

 

[dblack]

So it’s a big problem for diverse candidates to overcome then?

Sure. I only have two points here. First, "institutional" racism suggests more than just employer discrimination. I think it's a deliberate attempt to conflate general discrimination with state discrimination. Second, making all these inferences based on names is bad science and not convincing.