Old Rocks
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There are many disturbing stories in labors fight for justice. This is one of them from Bisbee, Utah. From 1917, but relevant to what we see starting today. Trump has announced he is even going after naturalized citizens.
When people like Trump and the Trumpanzees have all the power
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bluzman61
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What a joke. Better luck next time.
MarathonMike
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Old Crock is really shoveling the stinky stuff now.
maybe they were not mormon enough?
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Interesting that the leftist OP posts about a terrible action of the most detestable DNC president ever, Woodrow Wilson.
And like Biden, his presidential term would eventually be run by his wife as well.
Interesting, very interesting.
And like Biden, his presidential term would eventually be run by his wife as well.
Interesting, very interesting.
This had nothing to do with immigrants. It was a labor dispute as the miners were on strike. The corporations used the excuse of the war to claim the strike was illegal since it was mining copper for the war efforts. So the corrupt law enforcement did the bidding of the corporations. They even accused the miners of being “pro-German” and “anti-American”.
They sound a lot like modern day lefties who accuse everyone they don’t like of being “pro-Russian”. The modern left sure does love cheap labor with zero workers rights, as they continue to support “free trade” with shit holes like China.
Mushroom
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Ironic, as for most of the last several decades they themselves have been "Pro-Russian".
Mushroom
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And what exactly is the problem with denaturalizing people who are involved in crimes like "torture, war crimes, human trafficking, and human rights violations"? I mean, it states so quite clearly at 3:50 in your own video!
That is nothing new that has only happened under this administration, this has been used for decades now. President Obama did the exact same thing under "Operation Janus" that saw a lot of people denaturalized and deported back to their home nations to face charges there.
Justice Department Secures First Denaturalization As a Result of Operation Janus
On January 5, Judge Stanley R. Chesler of the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey entered an order revoking the naturalized U.S. citizenship of Baljinder Singh aka Davinder Singh, and canceling his Certificate of Naturalization, the Justice Department announced.
So tell me, was it wrong for other Presidents in the past to do this, but not now? Are you this interested in protecting torturers, war criminals, human traffickers, war criminals, and violators of human rights? The same law that was used on dozens of actual NAZI war criminals.
Oh, and Bajinder Singh is from India, and spent time in India for murder before being released and becoming a "minister". Where facing multiple counts of rape he fled the country and became a naturalized US citizen under an assumed name. He was one of the first that President Obama revoked the naturalization of, and he was sent back to India. Where he was convicted of rape and assault, and sentenced to life in prison.
So are you that interested in protecting such scum that you want to see them wandering free and not in jail back home where they belong?
Obama used the courts and legal system.
On January 5, Judge Stanley R. Chesler of the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey entered an order revoking the naturalized U.S. citizenship of Baljinder Singh aka Davinder Singh, and canceling his Certificate of Naturalization, the Justice Department announced.
Following Judge Chesler’s order, Singh’s immigration status reverted from naturalized citizen to lawful permanent resident, rendering him potentially subject to removal proceedings at the Department of Homeland Security’s discretion.
DUE Process.
Other presidents made it legal.Justice Department Secures First Denaturalization As a Result of Operation Janus
On January 5, Judge Stanley R. Chesler of the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey entered an order revoking the naturalized U.S. citizenship of Baljinder Singh aka Davinder Singh, and canceling his Certificate of Naturalization, the Justice Department announced.www.justice.gov
So tell me, was it wrong for other Presidents in the past to do this, but not now?
Why doesn't Trump want to?
See above.
It's fine, if it's legal.
If it isn't then you get what we have now............A CLUSTERFUCK.
You have ICE agents showing up at immigration court kidnapping people who are trying to do the right thing............LEGALLY.
1srelluc
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And just like in Wilson's day the dems would do the same to the right-leaning if they thought they could get away with it and Soros funded it for them.
Mushroom
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And once again, where is that not happening?
All I am seeing is fear and hate here, with no actual answers. Just spinning more hate and fear, and not actually answering anything.
Mushroom
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OK, first of all when ICE agents pick you up at immigration court, that is not "kidnapping", that is taking them into custody.
And those people were not trying to "do the right thing". They had been caught already, then turned lose by previous administrations and instead of being deported were told to return at a later date. This administration is not handling things in a "catch and release" manner.
Are you even aware of how the immigration process works, or how long it takes? Obviously not, but I do have a bit more experience, having been through it myself.
Now if they had been "trying to do the right thing", then they would not have waited to get caught but gone to INS themselves. At that point, there are actually several steps they will generally do. The first of which in our case was giving a new legal Visa with a 6 month visitor stamp. At that point, my wife was no longer an "illegal", she was a legal visitor. The entire process took us about a year, from us going to INS to my wife receiving her green card.
Here is the thing, there are actually a lot of programs that the INS runs in order to help illegals become legal. But here is the major thing about them, in order to qualify the illegal alien has to be the one to take the initiative and go to INS. If INS or some other agency catches you, then you no longer qualify for most of them.
In all of these cases we are hearing about, these were aliens captured under the Biden Administration, sometimes under the Obama Administration. Who were caught, then just let go and told to return later. And here is the thing, what did they do in the months to years after that? I bet damned near nothing, which is why they are getting free rides home.
And what ICE is doing is legal also. They are illegals, and they are not "kidnapped". The term for it is "detained", and after a hearing they are then deported. None of those you scream about are "naturalized", they are illegals. Because naturalized aliens do not have to go to immigration court. They just go back every few years or if they move and update their paperwork. That is entirely administrative, done in the same main office that US citizens go to in order to get a passport.
And there is a "due process" for revoking the status of a Naturalized Citizen. But these are not naturalized citizens, these are not even resident aliens. These are illegal aliens, and are being dealt with as such.
This is the difference I keep seeing over and over, and it just spins my head. Yes, my wife was an illegal when we got married. She and I both found that out about two months before we got married, the month after we got engaged that her father had been lying to his family about their status. He had a legal status as an aerospace worker, his wife and kids came in on a long expired three month visitor visa.
It was even interesting, as she got her Dependent ID card two days later. There is actually nothing that prohibits a military dependent ID card from being issued to an illegal alien. But we immediately got a lawyer, and three months after we got married she had her visitor visa extended. And they renewed that at least once as she was going through the process, and finally the final hearings and getting her Resident Alien card.
And even she had no sympathy for those that do nothing to make themselves legal. It was a pain in the ass and cost us a lot of money to make her legal. And even she cares nothing for those that do nothing until they are caught, and never even attempt to make themselves legal. She even told me during the Obama administration that his "amnesty" was only going to make things worse. Predicting that almost none of those taking advantage of his various programs would actually make the effort at that time to become legal. They would simply continue to skate the system and do nothing to legitimize themselves until they are caught.
And that seems to be exactly what is happening.
Mushroom
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All I see is a lot of people who really do not know anything about the process, let alone the terms for such individuals.
The highest is "Naturalized Citizen". That is the highest, and the individual is a US citizen. This includes people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ryan Reynolds, Oscar de la Renta, Jackie Collins, Bob Hope, Flea, Henry Kissinger, and Albert Einstein.
Short of discovering those individuals lied on their citizenship applications, there is nothing to be done about it. They are now and forever US Citizens. Even if they go on to become mass murderers, they are still US citizens and can not be deported.
After that is the Resident Aliens. Those are the ones that have "Green Cards". They hold that status from 3+ years, and in general the only requirement is to inform INS if you move. Updating it is literally an office visit that only takes a few minutes (after waiting for an hour or more to see somebody). In general, doing that is not unlike a visit to the DMV to renew your drivers license.
That is the status that the "Deported Veterans" fall under. Yes, there are a lot of resident aliens in the US military. And there have long been expedited processes to allow them to become US citizens. But if they never take advantage of that, then once they finish their service they are just like any other resident alien. Break the law doing things like murder, attempted murder, armed robbery, trafficking drugs, or anything like that and you can then have that status stripped and be sent home.
Once again, they had the solution when they were still in uniform. For decades those in uniform have been fast tracked through the process, generally for a fraction of the cost and about half the time as everybody else. If they did not take advantage of that when they were in uniform, that is all on them. First thing they did wrong was not taking advantage of it. Second, they then broke a major law and became a convicted felon after they got out.
Below that is the various forms of legal aliens. They are in the US on a visa, be they tourists, students, here for medical care, or many other reasons. They enter generally from 3 to 12 months, and if it is about to expire go to INS and request an extension. So long as they are still here for the reason originally stated that is granted. But if a student had dropped out or graduated and not then applied for another visa, then they will likely need to go home.
Then there are the illegals. They may have snuck into the US, or they might be any of the other former legal status that have overstayed their visa. That was the status of my wife, and her mom and sister. Her dad had a Resident Alien card, the rest of his family were on long expired three month visitor visas. And all three of them were at least on renewed visas within six months so were no longer "illegals".
These are clearly people who have never actually had to go through the process themselves. I especially shake my head at the cases I hear about where they have adult or nearly adult children and are facing deportation. For heavens sake, their kids were born here! That is known as an "Anchor Baby", and they could have applied as a legal resident with their kid as their sponsor. And somehow, they spend a decade or more as an illegal, and never tried to make themselves legal?
Sorry, people need to be proactive and do the right thing. In a decade or more never once attempt to become legal, no pity here. That is just being lazy. And if during the 12 years of the Obama and Biden administrations with multiple amnesties they did not at least start the process, that is all on them.
Mushroom
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Final thing to say here.
All of those processes I mentioned above where the individual goes to INS, those are all administrative. Done in an office, or even the waiting room. Just the individual, their sponsor if they have one, and a clerk. As a final step you do meet an Immigration Judge, but not in Immigration Court! You meet them in their chambers, verify the paperwork is all correct and legitimate, make an oath attesting to that (not unlike the oath given when testifying in court), and they sign off on it. But that is only to finalize the Resident Alien status. Not for any of the granting of visas or extensions.
If somebody is in Immigration Court, that means they were either illegal, or had done something that violated their Visa or Resident Alien status. If you are late in renewing your Resident Alien card or visa, that does not require Immigration Court. Go to the office, renewing it is an administrative process done right in the main lobby (I know, been there and done that). But if you are caught with an expired Resident Alien Card, that means Immigration Court. Get caught with no visa or an expired visa, that is Immigration Court. And the vast majority of the time, so long as a Resident Alien has no criminal record they simply pay a fine and have their status renewed.
About 15 years ago as my wife and I were in the process of moving her Resident Alien card expired. When we finally settled into permanent housing it had been expired for about four months. Went to the INS office, I want to say it was a $250 fine, and we left about six hours later with her new green card (it's actually like a yellow-orange and not green). Never saw a judge, never went to Immigration Court. Simply an administrative process, with the sit around and wait typical of any government process.
But if they were caught and never had a legitimate status like Resident Alien, there is a significant risk of being deported. But about the only time a Resident Alien status is revoked is for either lying on the paperwork, or being a convicted felon. Most felons have their Resident Alien status revoked and are deported.
All of those processes I mentioned above where the individual goes to INS, those are all administrative. Done in an office, or even the waiting room. Just the individual, their sponsor if they have one, and a clerk. As a final step you do meet an Immigration Judge, but not in Immigration Court! You meet them in their chambers, verify the paperwork is all correct and legitimate, make an oath attesting to that (not unlike the oath given when testifying in court), and they sign off on it. But that is only to finalize the Resident Alien status. Not for any of the granting of visas or extensions.
If somebody is in Immigration Court, that means they were either illegal, or had done something that violated their Visa or Resident Alien status. If you are late in renewing your Resident Alien card or visa, that does not require Immigration Court. Go to the office, renewing it is an administrative process done right in the main lobby (I know, been there and done that). But if you are caught with an expired Resident Alien Card, that means Immigration Court. Get caught with no visa or an expired visa, that is Immigration Court. And the vast majority of the time, so long as a Resident Alien has no criminal record they simply pay a fine and have their status renewed.
About 15 years ago as my wife and I were in the process of moving her Resident Alien card expired. When we finally settled into permanent housing it had been expired for about four months. Went to the INS office, I want to say it was a $250 fine, and we left about six hours later with her new green card (it's actually like a yellow-orange and not green). Never saw a judge, never went to Immigration Court. Simply an administrative process, with the sit around and wait typical of any government process.
But if they were caught and never had a legitimate status like Resident Alien, there is a significant risk of being deported. But about the only time a Resident Alien status is revoked is for either lying on the paperwork, or being a convicted felon. Most felons have their Resident Alien status revoked and are deported.
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