“When people condemn Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking antisemites.”

[Lesh]

I wish the left hated Israel.

But the Democrats have sold out to the Zionist Lobby as badly as the Right has. And given Democrats still end up getting about 70% of the Jewish vote, you could even argue it was worth it.

(Although one could also argue that Harris' fecklessness on Palestinian Gencoide probably cost her votes in a lot of swing states where people couldn't be bothered to show up.)

For Lisa

 

[rosends]

Um, okay, MLK was wrong. MLK has the problem a lot of Christians had after WWII, feeling really sad about the Holocaust and being willing to overlook Israel's colonialists policies. He probably SHOULD have known better, given the black experience in the US.

or maybe, as a veteran of the black experience, he had the insight to understand the true dynamic and called it out.

And this is where your logic falls apart. The Zionists are a bunch of Europeans, who had no interest in moving to Palestine before 1945.

you don't even know basic history.

Timeline of Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why? Your inability to live in peace with other white people without pissing them off is why you should get someone else's land?

by "someone else" do you mean "Britain"? Because they controlled the mandate. Or do you mean "Ottoman Turks"?

There are a whole bunch of groups that have suffered violence over the last 2000 years. The Basque, the Kurds, the Sinti, the Roma. Why do the Jews get special consideration?

what special consideration? The mandate also created Jordan at the same time. Were the nascent Jordanians getting special treatment?

The underlying LIE of Zionism is "A Land without a people for a people without a land!" Except there were people on that land. They had been there for centuries. They are still there and they are fighting back.

and 2.1 million of them are Israeli citizens. Others sold land and abandoned land (all documented if you want sources). And Jews had been there for a long, long time before hand.

Or they can go back to Europe, where they came from.

and Arabs can go back to Arabia?

You know, instead of just blindly going along with a genocide.

you also don't seem to know the definition of genocide.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fgenocides-of-the-20th-century-visualized-alongside-the-v0-nl0bmfrr41ub1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D159f67c38f49e6483c41d4f0e27d40fccb005227

The fact that they do want to kill the Zionists should be a good reason to want to live somewhere else.

People wanted to kill Jews in Europe so by your logic, Jews should NOT return there.

 

[Lesh]

Land with no people for a people with no land

Think about that. Zionists say it loudly proudly and often

Problem though. There were and are people already on that land.

Apparently Zionists don’t consider Palestinians to be people.

That’s chilling

 

[struth]

Any idea who said this? (Answer at end of post.)

When people scream that they’re not against Jews, just against “Zionists,” they are lying. It’s a way, they think, to curse and condemn Jews without saying the word, and thus they think they are getting away with their antisemitism. They are wrong. Zionists are people (Jews and Christians alike) who believe that Jews have the right to self-determination.

- They know that Jews are indigenous to Israel, way before Islam existed, dating back 3500 years, until they were expelled by Rome.

- They know, given the hate and violence against Jews for 2,000 years, that Jews need the safe harbor of self-determination.

- They understand that the shrieks of “to the river from the sea” means the destruction of Israel and her Jews.

- They know that Jews have the right to defend themselves from evil forces who want to wipe them out, be it Iran or Hamas or any other Islamic terrorists.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

Answer: MLK

Thank you, 100 percent correct.

 

[rosends]

Land with no people for a people with no land

Think about that. Zionists say it loudly proudly and often

Problem though. There were and are people already on that land.

Apparently Zionists don’t consider Palestinians to be people.

That’s chilling

If you looked up the history of the phrase you would see that it was a land without "a people ". A people is "a body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs, and that often constitute a politically organized group" (MW dictionary). There was no "people" on the land. Of course, you would rather twist it to mean something else, but whatever.

 

[Lesh]

If you looked up the history of the phrase you would see that it was a land without "a people ". A people is "a body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs, and that often constitute a politically organized group" (MW dictionary). There was no "people" on the land. Of course, you would rather twist it to mean something else, but whatever.

Does it hurt to twist yourself into a pretzel like that?

You made a distinction without a difference

 

[rosends]

Does it hurt to twist yourself into a pretzel like that?

You made a distinction without a difference

If you don't understand English, no one can help you. If you don't respect accuracy, no one can help you. If you shirk academic integrity, no one can help you.

 

[gipper]

Any idea who said this? (Answer at end of post.)

When people scream that they’re not against Jews, just against “Zionists,” they are lying. It’s a way, they think, to curse and condemn Jews without saying the word, and thus they think they are getting away with their antisemitism. They are wrong. Zionists are people (Jews and Christians alike) who believe that Jews have the right to self-determination.

- They know that Jews are indigenous to Israel, way before Islam existed, dating back 3500 years, until they were expelled by Rome.

- They know, given the hate and violence against Jews for 2,000 years, that Jews need the safe harbor of self-determination.

- They understand that the shrieks of “to the river from the sea” means the destruction of Israel and her Jews.

- They know that Jews have the right to defend themselves from evil forces who want to wipe them out, be it Iran or Hamas or any other Islamic terrorists.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

Answer: MLK

You support the mass murder of a defenseless people, while claiming those opposing it are antisemitic psychopaths.

 

[my2¢]

When people scream that they’re not against Jews, just against “Zionists,” they are lying.

To accept that as a universal truth is playing the antisemitism card. Zionism is a political movement and pertaining politics my preference is the separation between church and state.

They know that Jews are indigenous to Israel, way before Islam existed, dating back 3500 years, until they were expelled by Rome.

Isn't it the Muslims' contention that they're the true heirs of Abraham through his first son Ishmael? I don't see it that way and so my heart goes out to the Jews for having to deal with that mess.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Land with no people for a people with no land

Think about that. Zionists say it loudly proudly and often

Problem though. There were and are people already on that land.

Apparently Zionists don’t consider Palestinians to be people.

That’s chilling

The jews were thrown of israel for what they did to Jesus. They pierced their own but that covenant still stands and it is their land. Palestine is just another name for the philistines.

 

[Billiejeens]

To accept that as a universal truth is playing the antisemitism card. Zionism is a political movement and pertaining politics my preference is the separation between church and state.



Isn't it the Muslims' contention that they're the true heirs of Abraham through his first son Ishmael? I don't see it that way and so my heart goes out to the Jews for having to deal with that mess.

Islam is incompatible with Modern Society -

The rest is simply noise.

 

[Lisa558]

To accept that as a universal truth is playing the antisemitism card. Zionism is a political movement and pertaining politics my preference is the separation between church and state.



Isn't it the Muslims' contention that they're the true heirs of Abraham through his first son Ishmael? I don't see it that way and so my heart goes out to the Jews for having to deal with that mess.

No, it is NOT playing the “antisemitism card” - and the article explained why.

 

[Dante]

Any idea who said this? (Answer at end of post.)

When people scream that they’re not against Jews, just against “Zionists,” they are lying. It’s a way, they think, to curse and condemn Jews without saying the word, and thus they think they are getting away with their antisemitism. They are wrong. Zionists are people (Jews and Christians alike) who believe that Jews have the right to self-determination.

- They know that Jews are indigenous to Israel, way before Islam existed, dating back 3500 years, until they were expelled by Rome.

- They know, given the hate and violence against Jews for 2,000 years, that Jews need the safe harbor of self-determination.

- They understand that the shrieks of “to the river from the sea” means the destruction of Israel and her Jews.

- They know that Jews have the right to defend themselves from evil forces who want to wipe them out, be it Iran or Hamas or any other Islamic terrorists.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

Answer: MLK

In the context of the times MLK was correct, but it's far more nuanced. Many prominent Jews were against Zionism.

and your post? Being against Christians who are Zionists is anti-Jewish?Like the Eden Times Christians
who support everything Israel because they believe it will bring about the End of the World and deliver them into some imaginary Heaven?

You see, the problem with people who takes quotes totally out of all context can post a quote that even today suggests the opposite of what was originally intended.

 

[Sayaras]

RACIST ARAB SUPREMACISTS IN MICHIGAN

Authorities raid Michigan homes in probe of pro-Palestinian vandalism of Jewish homes, institutions
The raids — at homes in Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti and Canton — were not tied to immigration issues or on-campus demonstrations against Israel that have taken place over the last year and a half.
By Andrew Lapin/JTA
April 25, 2025.

Michigan agents raid pro-Palestinian activists' homes over vandalism | The Jerusalem Post

The raids — at homes in Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti and Canton — were not tied to immigration issues or on-campus demonstrations against Israel that have taken place over the last year and a half.

www.jpost.com

 

[Dante]

Any idea who said this? (Answer at end of post.)

When people scream that they’re not against Jews, just against “Zionists,” they are lying. It’s a way, they think, to curse and condemn Jews without saying the word, and thus they think they are getting away with their antisemitism. They are wrong. Zionists are people (Jews and Christians alike) who believe that Jews have the right to self-determination.

- They know that Jews are indigenous to Israel, way before Islam existed, dating back 3500 years, until they were expelled by Rome.

- They know, given the hate and violence against Jews for 2,000 years, that Jews need the safe harbor of self-determination.

- They understand that the shrieks of “to the river from the sea” means the destruction of Israel and her Jews.

- They know that Jews have the right to defend themselves from evil forces who want to wipe them out, be it Iran or Hamas or any other Islamic terrorists.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

Answer: MLK

Use of a quote added to an article that makes it seem as if MLK wrote/said or even would agree?

Let's get some context here:
The War on Error
260
The Quote

“When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking
anti-Semitism!” These words, reportedly spoken by King in the after-
math of the war, are often quoted by supporters of Israel. Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu quoted them in his address to the
Knesset on International Holocaust Remembrance Day in 2011.22 The
quote also appeared in a State Department report on antisemitism.23
But some Palestinians and their sympathizers, who resent the
stigmatizing of anti-Zionism as a form of antisemitism, have tried to
discredit the quote.

Just what sort of anti-Zionism crosses that fine line
is a question beyond my scope here. But what of the quote itself? How
was it first circulated? What is the evidence against it? And might some
additional evidence resolve the question of its authenticity?
King’s words were reported by Seymour Martin Lipset, at that time
the George D. Markham Professor of Government and Sociology
at Harvard, in an article he published in the magazine Encounter in
December 1969—that is, in the year after King’s April 1968 assassina-
tion. Lipset:

Shortly before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King, Jr. was in​

Boston on a fund-raising mission, and I had the good fortune to​

attend a dinner which was given for him in Cambridge. This was an​

experience which was at once fascinating and moving: one witnessed​

Dr. King in action in a way one never got to see in public. He wanted​

to find what the Negro students at Harvard and other parts of the​

Boston area were thinking about various issues, and he very subtly​

cross-examined them for well over an hour and a half. He asked​

questions, and said very little himself. One of the young men pres-​

ent happened to make some remark against the Zionists. Dr. King​

snapped at him and said, “Don’t talk like that! When people criticize​

Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!” 24​

For the next three-plus decades, no one challenged the credibility of
this account. No wonder: Lipset, author of the classic Political Man
(1960), was an eminent authority on American politics and society, who
later became the only scholar ever to preside over both the American
Sociological Association and the American Political Science Associa-
tion. Who if not Lipset could be counted upon to report an event accu-
rately? Nor was he quoting something said in confidence only to him
or far back in time. Others were present at the same dinner, and Lipset
wrote about it not that long after the fact. He also told the anecdote in
In the Words of Martin Luther King
261
a magazine that must have had many subscribers in Cambridge, some
of whom might have shared his “fascinating and moving” experience.
The idea that he would have fabricated or falsified any aspect of this
account would have seemed preposterous.

That is, until almost four decades later, when two Palestinian-Amer-
ican activists suggested just that. Lipset’s account, they wrote, “seems
on its face . . . credible.”

There are still, however, a few reasons for casting doubt on the​

authenticity of this statement. According to the Harvard Crimson,​

“The Rev. Martin Luther King was last in Cambridge almost exactly​

a year ago—April 23, 1967” (“While You Were Away” 4/8/68). If this​

is true, Dr. King could not have been in Cambridge in 1968. Lipset​

stated he was in the area for a “fund-raising mission,” which would​

seem to imply a high profile visit. Also, an intensive inventory of​

publications by Stanford University’s Martin Luther King Jr. Papers​

Project accounts for numerous speeches in 1968. None of them are​

for talks in Cambridge or Boston.25​

When Lipset’s integrity was called into question, in 2004, he was
probably unaware of it and certainly unable to respond to it. He had
suffered a debilitating stroke in 2001, which left him immobile and
speech-impaired. (He died of another stroke in 2006, at the age of 84.)
Since then, others have reinforced the doubt, noting that Lipset gave
“what seemed to be a lot of information on the background to the King
quote, but without providing a single concrete, verifiable detail.”26
To all intents and purposes, this constituted an assertion that
Lipset might have fabricated both the occasion and the quote. Such
an extraordinary claim raised this question: could Lipset’s account be
substantiated with “concrete, verifiable detail”?

Bear in mind Lipset’s precise testimony: King rebuked the student at
a dinner in Cambridge “shortly before” King’s assassination, during a
fundraising mission to Boston. Note that Lipset didn’t place the dinner
in 1968. King was assassinated on April 4, 1968, so “shortly before”
could just as well have referred to the last months of 1967.

In fact, King did come to Boston for the purposes of fundraising in
late 1967—specifically, on Friday, October 27. Boston was the last stop
in a week-long series of benefit concerts given by Harry Belafonte for
King’s SCLC. In the archives of NBC, there is a clip of King greeting the
audience at the Boston concert.27 The Boston Globe also reported King’s
remarks and the benefit concert on its front page the next morning. 28

...

Note: a snippet from a long article/pdf

 

[Lisa558]

RACIST ARAB SUPREMACISTS IN MICHIGAN

Authorities raid Michigan homes in probe of pro-Palestinian vandalism of Jewish homes, institutions
The raids — at homes in Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti and Canton — were not tied to immigration issues or on-campus demonstrations against Israel that have taken place over the last year and a half.
By Andrew Lapin/JTA
April 25, 2025.

Michigan agents raid pro-Palestinian activists' homes over vandalism | The Jerusalem Post

The raids — at homes in Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti and Canton — were not tied to immigration issues or on-campus demonstrations against Israel that have taken place over the last year and a half.

www.jpost.com

So my question is….

If being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism, why are pro-Palestinians vandalizing Jewish homes and businesses?

 

[struth]

You support the mass murder of a defenseless people, while claiming those opposing it are antisemitic psychopaths.

Hamas is antisemtic, the fact you support their mass murder of defenseless people, is well psycho.

 

[gipper]

Hamas is antisemtic, the fact you support their mass murder of defenseless people, is well psycho.

Projection.

I don’t support Hamas, but you readily admit you support Israel mass murdering women and children. You’re a Nazi who denies the genocide.

Do you also deny the Holocaust?

 

[struth]

Projection.

I don’t support Hamas, but you readily admit you support Israel mass murdering women and children. You’re a Nazi who denies the genocide.

Do you also deny the Holocaust?

Hamas is the one conducting mass murder.

Israel is defending themselves from Hamas, who uses innocents as human shields. Your post, deflecting from that, is defending Hamas.

 

[Failzero]

Anti Colonialist pro Arab/ Iran Marxists won’t give Non Practicing Ethnic only far Left & Left Jews a pass in the end