What's the difference between Communism and Obama Democrats??

[JakeStarkey]

No one said communism was great in this thread, or even half way mediocre.

What no one has done has shown how the Democrats are somehow crypto-commies. Or anymore, for that matter, of how Republicanism is somehow fascism.

 

[Stephanie]

The Democratic Party, being a coalition of groups, including blacks, whites, browns, gay, straight, educated, uneducated, religious, atheist and every group in between, typifies what it means to be a democracy.

Republicans, being 90% white, are much closer to the Nazi Party. Their racist beliefs and naked hatred for minorities only underscores that perception. Their zany and damaging policies don't do anything to change that perception.

You are correct.

Except you avoided the issue altogether. The Republican party is Fascist, embracing the values and methods of Adolf Hitler. This is already common knowledge, and is only denied by Republicans themselves.

However, we are discussing Communism, not Fascism. The Democrat party is Communist, embracing values and methods of Joseph Stalin. This is also common knowledge, and is only denied by Democrats themselves.

The only thing both parties have yet to do, is to round up and exterminate/genocide the dissidents. Most likely, since the far-right and the far-left both have common goals of enslaving the American people and establishing a corporate oligarchy, they will exempt each other from the Extermination Process, and only genocide/democide Libertarians/Tea Partiers/Occupy Wall Streeters/Muslims/etc.

They'll probably call it the "Final Solution to Terrorism." And everyone will buy it, because they'll probably force us to fight for our lives by that point, allowing them to label us as terrorists.

That doesn't even make sense. Republicans certainly want to enslave America. Either a plutocracy with business in charge or a theocracy like the one they installed in Iraq, but Christian. And either one with white people running everything.

The fact that the Democratic Party is a coalition, a collection of groups, makes it impossible for them to want to enslave all Americans. They could never agree to who would be in charge. I'm embarrassed to have to point out something so obvious.

oh good grief, because they are a coalition of groups make it impossible to enslave people..what do you call 95% of blacks that vote Democrat..free thinkers? you already have enslaved them, working on women and on Hispanics..whites need not apply though you have mostly white masters running the Democrat party..
you crack me up with how highly you believe they are..

 

[Vox]

No one said communism was great in this thread, or even half way mediocre.

What no one has done has shown how the Democrats are somehow crypto-commies. Or anymore, for that matter, of how Republicanism is somehow fascism.

some are,and not even crypto - pure Marxists.

fascism and nazism are actually economically socialism - it is the same totalitarian regime of government redistribution and control. Do not get fooled by the ideological part - since socialism( communism) always needs somebody to blame for it's natural inability to work, those regimes have designated castes of people to blame for it. In the nazi/fascist regime those are other nations, in the socialist/commie regimes - those are social classes.
But the economics of the regime is the same - government dominance and redistribution plus state control.

I do not know who is introducing this confusion into the mindset of Americans ( because Europeans do know that a nazi regime and stalin's regime at the same time were twin brothers and both socialist ) but this is causing a lot of mix-up in terminology and ability to realize the processes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I used the plural all-inclusive Democrats, not "some are, and not even crypto - pure Marxists." If you have a few examples, give them. Otherwise, it is a general statement that is not based on common knowledge.

 

[Moonglow]

so now the 1% are middle class.
You are very short on any details but I am guessing you don't know what true communism really is.

The one percent are the one percent. What's wrong with being in the one percent?? By the way, Marx is a very simple minded person. He believes everyone should have the same stuff. Wow how Brilliant. How often does he refer to basically anything but money? Kind of like Democrats...

So repubs never mention money? They never tax?

 

[bripat9643]

No one said communism was great in this thread, or even half way mediocre.

What no one has done has shown how the Democrats are somehow crypto-commies. Or anymore, for that matter, of how Republicanism is somehow fascism.

You once claimed the communist healthcare was superior to ours, and you even posted propaganda from official commie propaganda organs to prove it.

You're hardly in a position to be denigrating claims about communism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You once claimed the communist healthcare was superior to ours, and you even posted propaganda from official commie propaganda organs to prove it.

Link your claim, because you are lying. I will keep calling you out on it, commie boy.

You posted from WHO only, a communist front organization.

I posted from a variety of sources from left to right.

 

[petro]

Today's democrats, like obama are not really communists. Communism really allows much more freedom than democrats would permit. Today's democrats are utopians. They see themselves as the sole arbiter of the entirely of existence. Under communism if someone got a potato they could eat it. The utopian would reach in your mouth and snatch it out. It's not good for you because the state is the sole arbiter of what's good for you. The utopian tyranny is absolute going places even Karl Marx didn't envision.

I agree with this view. It is also part of their worldview that brought about politically correct thinking, what I consider a form of thought control. Control the language and the way people think and you control the debate. This is even seen in the gay marriage debate. Many do not agree with the current laws allowing gay marriage due to their beliefs, as the laws are passed those who oppose it are seen as bigoted and outside "acceptable" views of society. That is only a single example. If I disagree with a particular point of view it is my human right to express that view.

Consider the thought they impose that everyone is equal when they clearly are not. Some individuals excel in life way above others, that is the reality. Our country was built on equality of opportunity, not equality of conditions, which is what they are seeking.

I will pass on that Utopia.

 

[rdean]

What's the difference between kneeling at a Republican prayer breakfast and kneeling at the altar of the Church of the Cold Hearted Bastard? Since they both believe in "let him die", i'm guessing it's all about "location".

 

[JakeStarkey]

Today's democrats, like obama are not really communists. Communism really allows much more freedom than democrats would permit. Today's democrats are utopians. They see themselves as the sole arbiter of the entirely of existence. Under communism if someone got a potato they could eat it. The utopian would reach in your mouth and snatch it out. It's not good for you because the state is the sole arbiter of what's good for you. The utopian tyranny is absolute going places even Karl Marx didn't envision.

I agree with this view. It is also part of their worldview that brought about politically correct thinking, what I consider a form of thought control. Control the language and the way people think and you control the debate. This is even seen in the gay marriage debate. Many do not agree with the current laws allowing gay marriage due to their beliefs, as the laws are passed those who oppose it are seen as bigoted and outside "acceptable" views of society. That is only a single example. If I disagree with a particular point of view it is my human right to express that view.

Consider the thought they impose that everyone is equal when they clearly are not. Some individuals excel in life way above others, that is the reality. Our country was built on equality of opportunity, not equality of conditions, which is what they are seeking.

I will pass on that Utopia.

You guys don't believe in accepted terms, definitions, and narratives. You are loons.

 

[tubig]

This thread seems weak. Nobody has made a meaningful criticism or definition of Marx or communism. The two words are tossed out as though using them invokes a mantra the in-crowd will accept without question, and nobody else matters. The term "jingoistic" comes to mind.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, the nativists are indeed that Simple.

 

[regent]

No nation on this planet has practiced Marxian communism, and it's safe to say no nation probably ever will. After the revolution the USSR started a period called Scientific Socialism that was supposed to transition people from capitalism, (Russia had practiced feudalism) to communism. The leaders quickly dropped the whole thing as unworkable and began a new economic system. It continued to call itself communist, however, but it was not communism. Political scientists labeled the new USSR economic system with new labels such as State Capitalism and other names. What Marx did leave was the word communism and that word has been used by many world leaders and by our own Republicans and Democrats for all sorts of things.

 

[tubig]

No nation on this planet has practiced Marxian communism, and it's safe to say no nation probably ever will. After the revolution the USSR started a period called Scientific Socialism that was supposed to transition people from capitalism, (Russia had practiced feudalism) to communism. The leaders quickly dropped the whole thing as unworkable and began a new economic system. It continued to call itself communist, however, but it was not communism. Political scientists labeled the new USSR economic system with new labels such as State Capitalism and other names. What Marx did leave was the word communism and that word has been used by many world leaders and by our own Republicans and Democrats for all sorts of things.

Well said.

 

[bripat9643]

No one said communism was great in this thread, or even half way mediocre.

What no one has done has shown how the Democrats are somehow crypto-commies. Or anymore, for that matter, of how Republicanism is somehow fascism.

Here's your proof, Fakey:

Communist Party Sues Democrats For Stealing Its Platform | U. S. Politics

Communist Party Sues Democrats For Stealing Its Platform

In a surprise move, the CPUSA (Communist Party USA) has announced a lawsuit against the Democratic Party and its leadership for the alleged theft of intellectual property. The plaintiffs claim that the entire so-called “new” Democratic agenda is, in fact, the product of a decades-long, painstaking campaign by CPUSA theorists, agitators, and underground subversive cells – which makes it the intellectual property of the Communist Party USA, protected by American copyright laws. “They stole our entire platform, rebranded it ‘progressive’, and claimed it as their own,” declared a CPUSA spokesperson at a press conference in San Francisco. “And we communists say, not so fast! Not in this country anyway, where we still have property rights and the rule of law, thank God! Actually, let me rephrase that…”

 

[Wildman]

What's the difference between Communism and Obama Democrats??

there is a difference ??? ... ...

 

[auditor0007]

so now the 1% are middle class.
You are very short on any details but I am guessing you don't know what true communism really is.

The low end of the 1% are upper middle class. They have far more in common with the middle class than they do with the multi-billionaires at the top of the 1%.

True, but it's still a very big problem.

How Unequal We Are: The Top 5 Facts You Should Know About The Wealthiest One Percent Of Americans | ThinkProgress

If you think this is a good thing, please explain.

 

[Agit8r]

I don't see much difference, except the current administration can't seize property openly. If they could, they would. In fact, by stating that the rich should "pay their fair share" when they already are paying most of the taxes, that would indicate trying to eliminate the upper class. Isn't that what Marx wanted? Didn't Marx also want to destroy religion? Isn't that what the Democratic Party is doing by trying to remove any religious symbols from public areas? Didn't Marx look at the wealthy with antipathy and don't Dems look at the 1% as evil?? Didn't Marx believe that one's world view depends on one's class, and don't Dems see the world as a relativist place where there is no universal truths, only perspectives??

What does fair share mean anyway? If we are talking about fair share, shouldn't ugly people get their fair share of dating attractive people? Shouldn't short people get their fair share of playing in the NBA? Oh wait, we already have some sort of convoluted version of that called Affirmative Action and Diversity. Achievement and merit are less important than "fair share."

Marx would probably like Obama a lot. Really sad...

I wonder which of the following you agree with more?

"I see two diametrically opposed principles: the principle of democracy which, wherever it is allowed practical effect is the principle of destruction: and the principle of the authority of personality which I would call the principle of achievement"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

or

"legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree is a politic measure, and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."
-- Thomas Jefferson; from letter to James Madison, (Oct. 28, 1785)

do tell

 

[bripat9643]

No nation on this planet has practiced Marxian communism, and it's safe to say no nation probably ever will. After the revolution the USSR started a period called Scientific Socialism that was supposed to transition people from capitalism, (Russia had practiced feudalism) to communism. The leaders quickly dropped the whole thing as unworkable and began a new economic system. It continued to call itself communist, however, but it was not communism. Political scientists labeled the new USSR economic system with new labels such as State Capitalism and other names. What Marx did leave was the word communism and that word has been used by many world leaders and by our own Republicans and Democrats for all sorts of things.

So what you are telling us is that we shouldn't be concerned about politicians who say they want to abolish private property?

Is that it?

 

[bripat9643]

so now the 1% are middle class.
You are very short on any details but I am guessing you don't know what true communism really is.

The low end of the 1% are upper middle class. They have far more in common with the middle class than they do with the multi-billionaires at the top of the 1%.

True, but it's still a very big problem.

How Unequal We Are: The Top 5 Facts You Should Know About The Wealthiest One Percent Of Americans | ThinkProgress

If you think this is a good thing, please explain.

So you're a communist? Is that what you're telling us?