What's happened to us?

[PubliusInfinitum]

See? The blame game.

Ahh... LOOK! The feminine perspective that 'it's just not fair, to assess responsibility...'

OKA: Part of the PROBLEM.

Really ... so this going back and forth saying the "left" this and the "right" that is really fixing things ... seemed to work so well during the last 10 years, may as well keep going huh?

There is no 'going back and fourth Kitty... there is you rationalizing that there is a principle in left-think which stands as valid reasoning... which somehow solves SOME PROBLEM... the simple fact is that there is NOT; there are no principles within the full scope OF left-think... the problem IS: LEFT-THINK.

Now you're entitled to disagree... but you've no means to offer a single principle espoused by the ideological left which is well reasoned, intellectually sound or even logically valid... thus your "nuh huh" response does not stand as either back or forth... it is simply an empty contest which serves NO other purpose than to sustain THE PROBLEM.

Capiche?

 

[Navy1960]

I tell you I must be slipping here, after having it called to my attention, I had the rare privledge to witness on this thread a little example of revisionist history at it's finest on display here. Let me see if I understand this correctly, Returning Vets from Vietnam were mistreated by mostly WW2 Vets and the big bad VFW and there were not incidents of spitting or name calling or any of that. Normally I would place that along with the fake moon landings people however I feel it worth mentioning a few things. As a former Naval Aviator I can tell you that Jane Fonda was never thought of as anything other than the complete traitor she was and still is to this day. For those of you who don't know, she made a nice little trip to North Vietnam and even posed for pictures while American Naval Aviators and Air Force pilots were being held as POWs and tortured.

Fonda visited Hanoi in July 1972. Among other statements, she repeated the North Vietnamese claim that the United States had been deliberately targeting the dike system along the Red River stating that “I believe in my heart, profoundly, that the dikes are being bombed on purpose”. Columnist Joseph Kraft who was also touring North Vietnam, believed that the damage to the dikes was incidental and was being used as propaganda by Hanoi, and that if the U.S. Air Force were "truly going after the dikes, it would do so in a methodical, not a harum-scarum way."

Jane Fonda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Through the many tears she shed that day, Kraus earned a measure of justice for her late husband. Robert G. Kraus, a U.S. Army veteran of the Vietnam War and former Winnebago County sheriff, died in February 2004 at age 57 due to cancer and other medical problems doctors said were the result of exposure to Agent Orange, a defoliant used in the war.

Upon his return, "Bob got spit on at the airport and called a baby killer when he got home to Appleton," she said, through tears. "He never put that uniform on again. It was hard. It was really hard.
Vietnam vet Robert Kraus gets credit for sacrifice | Postcrescent.com | Appleton Post-Crescent

Heres all your WW2 vets and VFW members protesting the war. The fact is that many Vietnam Vets suffered humiliation and shame from treatment received upon returning home contrary to what Keith Olberman who's never served his country might say.

Protests against the Vietnam War took place in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The protests were part of a movement in opposition to the Vietnam War and took place mainly in the U.S. (See also Students for a Democratic Society, Free Speech Movement, Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, Youth International Party, Chicago Seven.)
Opposition to the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When ANYONE tries to revise history to make it fit a political point especially to make the anti-war movement during the Vietnam era look good they bring dishonor on themselves and ALL the men and women who served there and now serve.

 

[xotoxi]

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Silly little man!

If there are no leftist Americans, then the population of America is 1...just PI.

Really Sis? So all US Citizens are leftists? (Anyone see that comin'? And they say that the media subversion isn't effective propaganda...)

Well why don't ya do this...

You've clearly taken the position that the ideological left is perfectly suited to America; and presumably that the principles advocated through left-think in no way competes with the principles on which America rests...

So it should not be a problem at all for someone who believes such to post say three principles of left-think which adhere to the principles on which America rests.

Now friends, let's be honest... neither this addle minded fool, nor any other 'left-feeler' can cite ANY principle of left-think which syncs in ANY WAY with American principles.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

America is not a concept.

America is a country, made up of citizens of varied backgrounds and ideals. Nowhere is written that certain polical ideologies are required to be an American.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The 60's era of angry hippies is over. Time you got over it too.

Here's a head's up for you.

The era of the angry hippie never happened.

I was there in uniform at the time...I know.

You're either a liar or a fool... take your choice, either works for me.

Another right wing myth setting out to dsicredit the antiwar movement, I'm afraid.

The 'anti-war movement' discredited itself... and the murdered 3 million innocent people which resulted from the 'anti-war movement' is indisputable evidence of that...

Oh and to discredit the many veterans who were ALSO opposed to that war, too, of course.

Addled minded Losers, to the individual... without exception and that's hardly news...

I'll tell you who basically treated the Vietnam vets like crap...WWII American legion and VFW vet ...

That is just about the most ludicrous statement you've ever made; and this from VOLUMES of depraved drivel...

For a while every other film about a returning Viet Nam made them out to be psychotic killers (like Rambo, for example) and drug addicted losers

Yep... and who were these people making these films? Leftists, not at all unlike yourself.

But as to the returning vets getting spit on by hippi nonsense?

It's an indisputable fact... and your empty denials aren't changing it.

By the time most Viet Nam vets came hope they WERE hippies, folks.

Got a dozen family members that came home from Vietnam... not one ever showed a single sign of becoming a dirtyfoot hippy... Never met one that did... of the DOZENS I know personally... ya lying sack of leftist...

Only they were the angry hippies and believe me they were NOT spitting on themselves or former comrades in arms, either.

I wake up every morning hoping and praying that today will be the day that someone in my presence so much as disprespects a uniformed military person... so I can stand there in court and make the official declaration that the reason I kicked the shit out of the communist **** is because they slurred that young man or woman who has given up their own liberty to secure the rights of others... and that there is no right to say such things... as the responsibility in the right to speak, requires one to keep their mouth shut, when that speech infringes upon the rights of others and the responsibility to defend that right required me to KICK THEIR ASS!

I doubt it's a sound legal defense... but that's how it would go down.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Silly little man!

If there are no leftist Americans, then the population of America is 1...just PI.

Really Sis? So all US Citizens are leftists? (Anyone see that comin'? And they say that the media subversion isn't effective propaganda...)

Well why don't ya do this...

You've clearly taken the position that the ideological left is perfectly suited to America; and presumably that the principles advocated through left-think in no way competes with the principles on which America rests...

So it should not be a problem at all for someone who believes such to post say three principles of left-think which adhere to the principles on which America rests.

Now friends, let's be honest... neither this addle minded fool, nor any other 'left-feeler' can cite ANY principle of left-think which syncs in ANY WAY with American principles.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

America is not a concept.

America is a country, made up of citizens of varied backgrounds and ideals. Nowhere is written that certain polical ideologies are required to be an American.

Now I'm not a mind reader... I can't actually predict the future... But I know leftists like I know how to breath... not that it's much more of a challenge...

So when I state that the Left doesn't understand the FIRST THING ABOUT AMERICA... that they have NO MEANS to COMPREHEND what America is... it is a certainty that the leftist in question will return to confirm that...

Proving once again that THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

America is a concept wherein it is understood and recognized that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... that every human being is endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights... and that those rights come with sustaining responsibilities to defend those rights... and there is not a SINGLE element of left-think which does not stand in DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT BASIC FOUNDING ELEMENT OF AMERICA.

Ya can't BE an American and not recognize that... and that is without regard to where one was born or how long one has maintained US Citizenship.


Your concession is duly noted XO... and as always... summarily accepted.

 

[xotoxi]

Really Sis? So all US Citizens are leftists? (Anyone see that comin'? And they say that the media subversion isn't effective propaganda...)

Well why don't ya do this...

You've clearly taken the position that the ideological left is perfectly suited to America; and presumably that the principles advocated through left-think in no way competes with the principles on which America rests...

So it should not be a problem at all for someone who believes such to post say three principles of left-think which adhere to the principles on which America rests.

Now friends, let's be honest... neither this addle minded fool, nor any other 'left-feeler' can cite ANY principle of left-think which syncs in ANY WAY with American principles.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

America is not a concept.

America is a country, made up of citizens of varied backgrounds and ideals. Nowhere is written that certain polical ideologies are required to be an American.

Now I'm not a mind reader... I can't actually predict the future... But I know leftists like I know how to breath... not that it's much more of a challenge...

So when I state that the Left doesn't understand the FIRST THING ABOUT AMERICA... that they have NO MEANS to COMPREHEND what America is... it is a certainty that the leftist in question will return to confirm that...

Proving once again that THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

America is a concept wherein it is understood and recognized that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... that every human being is endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights... and that those rights come with sustaining responsibilities to defend those rights... and there is not a SINGLE element of left-think which does not stand in DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT BASIC FOUNDING ELEMENT OF AMERICA.

Ya can't BE an American and not recognize that... and that is without regard to where one was born or how long one has maintained US Citizenship.


Your concession is duly noted XO... and as always... summarily accepted.

Basically, you didn't say anything in your last post.

Essentially you tried to prove your statement by saying that you know it's right.

But, clearly you enjoy the fantasy world that you have created in your brain...sounds like you are the king! CONGRATS!!!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Silly little man!

If there are no leftist Americans, then the population of America is 1...just PI.

Really Sis? So all US Citizens are leftists? (Anyone see that comin'? And they say that the media subversion isn't effective propaganda...)

Well why don't ya do this...

You've clearly taken the position that the ideological left is perfectly suited to America; and presumably that the principles advocated through left-think in no way competes with the principles on which America rests...

So it should not be a problem at all for someone who believes such to post say three principles of left-think which adhere to the principles on which America rests.

Now friends, let's be honest... neither this addle minded fool, nor any other 'left-feeler' can cite ANY principle of left-think which syncs in ANY WAY with American principles.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

America is not a concept.

America is a country, made up of citizens of varied backgrounds and ideals. Nowhere is written that certain polical ideologies are required to be an American.

Now I'm not a mind reader... I can't actually predict the future... But I know leftists like I know how to breath... not that it's much more of a challenge...

So when I state that the Left doesn't understand the FIRST THING ABOUT AMERICA... that they have NO MEANS to COMPREHEND what America is... it is a certainty that the leftist in question will return to confirm that...

Proving once again that THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

America is a concept wherein it is understood and recognized that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... that every human being is endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights... and that those rights come with sustaining responsibilities to defend those rights... and there is not a SINGLE element of left-think which does not stand in DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT BASIC FOUNDING ELEMENT OF AMERICA.

Ya can't BE an American and not recognize that... and that is without regard to where one was born or how long one has maintained US Citizenship.


Your concession is duly noted XO... and as always... summarily accepted.

Basically, you didn't say anything in your last post.

Essentially you tried to prove your statement by saying that you know it's right.

But, clearly you enjoy the fantasy world that you have created in your brain...sounds like you are the king! CONGRATS!!!

Actually I did say something... I said that you'd confirmed my position that Leftists do not consider America to be anything... that leftists, such as yourself believe that America is nothing...

I then said that I accepted your concession, which you advanced by default, when you failed to post a single principle of left-think which in any way adheres to or otherwise recognizes the principles on which America rests...

A statement which you've since felt required you to double down on your flaccid means and offer up this pretentious obfuscation... but hey, it's a classic leftist dodge and one of the more lame variety...

But Xo... I want you to know that I see that you're doing the VERY BEST YOU CAN! Godbless ya.

LOL... Leftists...

(now understand friends... this imbecile is one of the more talented of the feminized little pissants.)

 

[Navy1960]

That catalyst appeared early in February, when the U.S. began bombing North Vietnam. The pace of protest immediately quickened; its scope broadened. In February and again in March of 1965, SDS organized marches on the Oakland Army Terminal, the departure point for many troops bound for Southeast Asia. On 24 March, faculty members at the University of Michigan held a series of "teach-ins," modeled after earlier Civil Rights seminars, that sought to educate large segments of the student population about both the moral and political foundations of U.S. involvement. The teach-in format spread to campuses around the country and brought faculty members into active antiwar participation. In March, SDS escalated the scale of dissent to a truly national level, calling for a march on Washington to protest the bombing. On 17 April 1965, between 15,000 and 25,000 people gathered at the capital, a turnout that surprised even the organizers.

The Anti-War Movement in the United States

http://www.visionaryshirts.com/thumbs/Photos/WAR PROTESTORS 1971.jpg

Im hoping these images show up because they reflect a pattern here, and that is one of disrespectful attitudes towards those who would defend the very right the proterters exercise. Still further, when people claim BLATENT flasehoods made by a TV commmentator when the closest he ever came to defending his country was perhaps if someone knocked over a flagstand at MSNBC or ESPN are simply making fools of themselves and completly dishonoring those who defended the very right they exercise.

 

[MaggieMae]

rome was around for 500 years after caesar crossed the rubicon.
rome was the western
world leader for all of that time.

what's your point?

What's yours? Where in Roman history does it discuss that Rome provided for all its citizenry at government expense? I can assure you, it didn't according to my history books. There were four distinct levels of class within the Roman Empire.

and that has what to do with your assertion that julius caesar caused the fall of rome?

hello?

My comment referred back to what Sgt asserted, that Rome fell because it took care of all its people (ie socialism), although those weren't his exact words. I simply was trying to point out by using the quote, for the sake of not boring everyone to tears with ancient history, that Caesar was just like Hitler.

 

[del]

What's yours? Where in Roman history does it discuss that Rome provided for all its citizenry at government expense? I can assure you, it didn't according to my history books. There were four distinct levels of class within the Roman Empire.

and that has what to do with your assertion that julius caesar caused the fall of rome?

hello?

My comment referred back to what Sgt asserted, that Rome fell because it took care of all its people (ie socialism), although those weren't his exact words. I simply was trying to point out by using the quote, for the sake of not boring everyone to tears with ancient history, that Caesar was just like Hitler.

well, you failed on both points, but thanks for the explanation.

 

[MaggieMae]

See? The blame game.

Yup. I think we all agree in principle, but then the shouting starts SOMETIMES IN GREAT BIG RED FONT!!

 

[MaggieMae]

Ahh... LOOK! The feminine perspective that 'it's just not fair, to assess responsibility...'

OKA: Part of the PROBLEM.

Really ... so this going back and forth saying the "left" this and the "right" that is really fixing things ... seemed to work so well during the last 10 years, may as well keep going huh?

Stupid ******* cat

She's one of the more rational, common sense people who posts here.

 

[MaggieMae]

Willow, while I believe your right about the expectations for nothing these days, I can't help but think that deep down Americans are still the same hard working liberty minded people they always were. The problem is that a lot of young people simply don't know much about the country in which they live, and as long as it's visually pleasing and is the "in" thing to do then they go along with it. It starts with education and that begins at home. Too many parents expect schools and the State to do that for them these days as well. Once we teach young people what it means to be self reliant, then they will realize what it means to live in country where anything is possible though hard work and sacrifice. I submit Willow it's only too late when you give up, no matter who is in power at the moment or no matter what the latest trends are. Remember "pet rocks" didn't last all that long!!

I know what you are saying and I admit to getting low sometimes, I have a friend whose son arrived home fresh from his liberal college education bitching a blue streak about America and how evil she is bla bla bla you know all the progressive bs you hear every day?? know what she did?? she took his butt into the den and said here, I'm gonna spin this globe and you put your finger down where it is you want to live.. then you get a one way ticket..

Newsflash: The reason this country was founded, and the reason it remains a global superpower with opportunities for the best lifestyle in the world is BECAUSE OF diverse visions and our traditional ability to compromise instead of falling before a supreme leader. Why should YOUR vision be the best, the first, the only?

 

[MaggieMae]

Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
some people don't understand the difference between wars for liberty (there hasn't been one since WWII) and wars of choice....

[quote-JBeukema]All wars are by choice, you fool. repeating the 'bama's words like a parrot savant doesn't make you look smart[/quote]

Since many books and articles have been written on the subject since the invasion of Iraq long BEFORE Obama came on the scene, I suggest you take your blinders off. The latest is "War of Choice, War of Necessity," by Richard Haas, hardly an Obama parrot.

 

[MaggieMae]

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Silly little man!

If there are no leftist Americans, then the population of America is 1...just PI.

Really Sis? So all US Citizens are leftists? (Anyone see that comin'? And they say that the media subversion isn't effective propaganda...)

Well why don't ya do this...

You've clearly taken the position that the ideological left is perfectly suited to America; and presumably that the principles advocated through left-think in no way competes with the principles on which America rests...

So it should not be a problem at all for someone who believes such to post say three principles of left-think which adhere to the principles on which America rests.

Now friends, let's be honest... neither this addle minded fool, nor any other 'left-feeler' can cite ANY principle of left-think which syncs in ANY WAY with American principles.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

Well I would say, being the "leftist" I am (not, but hey if you say so), one of the current "PRINCIPLES" I abide by today is keeping hostile people like YOU at bay. The entire crux of the conversation in this thread has to do with where we, as Americans, lost our way. I see the contemptuous onslaught of shrieking bullshit like yours as being part of the problem, hardly part of the solution.

 

[sealybobo]

Silly little man!

If there are no leftist Americans, then the population of America is 1...just PI.

The reason is of course that the ideological left doesn't rest upon ANY PRINCIPLES... they simply believe that "America" as a concept can be anything to anyone... That "America" doesn't mean shit... and if they want America to be a failing progressive state of a declining economic opportunities, with no discernible cultural morality... than THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

Now go to work Xo... we've seen you do your Sig thing... now use the fertile imagination to form a lucid, cogent, reasoned argument.

I see the contemptuous onslaught of shrieking bullshit like yours as being part of the problem, hardly part of the solution.

What did Will Rogers say? I don't belong to any organized political party...I'm a democrat".

 

[MaggieMae]

Good answer, but I'm not so sure about the "repenting" stuff. One would think that if there really is a God and you believe that repenting is what will fix everything, then you would also have to believe that God is very much aware of the current state of affairs on His Earth. So if He's directing the show and it's gotten so awful, why doesn't he do something about all the evil in His World? Why were 35 innocent Mexican children badly burned in a fire yesterday? Was it because they hadn't "repented"??

Maggie...im not tremendously religious but i used to live with this indiv.who at one time in his life HAD to read the bible and discuss it.....but he said HE was told about why this happens,is this.....when Satan challenged Mans integrity in front of God And the denizens of "HEAVEN"...which is what a lot of this Satan getting the boot from heaven is about...our integrity and why he is so enamered with us.....he said that without God giving man all that he needs they will eventually spit in his face.....God told him he was wrong,and that the vast majority of Humans have INTEGRITY with or without him there....with the beings of "heaven" looking on and wondering if this is true or not....."GOD" had to make a decision to prove mans integrity....so the story goes for a short while (in their time frame) he will turn his back on us,and what happens will happen good or bad....BUT...Satan is limited as to what he also can do to influence us.....so there it is....nice story isnt it.......

I guess so, but it still doesn't explain why "God" allows the suffering of innocent children. How does your friend explain that?

I'm not one who doesn't believe in a higher power; it's hard not to just when exploring how human beings are biologically formed with all those vessels and circuits racing around perfectly in sync and miraculously finding the right place within our physical bodies to perform every manuever, conscious or unconsious. But I do vacillate between thinking the higher power reigns from a Shangri-Law called "Heaven" or from a mother ship.

 

[JBeukema]

I guess so, but it still doesn't explain why "God" allows the suffering of innocent children. How does your friend explain that?

cruelty

it's hard not to just when exploring how human beings are biologically formed with all those vessels and circuits racing around perfectly in sync and miraculously finding the right place within our physical bodies to perform every manuever, conscious or unconsious.

Because those whose circulatory system,s went awry died and did not reproduce...

 

[MaggieMae]

Ahh... LOOK! The feminine perspective that 'it's just not fair, to assess responsibility...'

OKA: Part of the PROBLEM.

Really ... so this going back and forth saying the "left" this and the "right" that is really fixing things ... seemed to work so well during the last 10 years, may as well keep going huh?

There is no 'going back and fourth Kitty... there is you rationalizing that there is a principle in left-think which stands as valid reasoning... which somehow solves SOME PROBLEM... the simple fact is that there is NOT; there are no principles within the full scope OF left-think... the problem IS: LEFT-THINK.

Now you're entitled to disagree... but you've no means to offer a single principle espoused by the ideological left which is well reasoned, intellectually sound or even logically valid... thus your "nuh huh" response does not stand as either back or forth... it is simply an empty contest which serves NO other purpose than to sustain THE PROBLEM.

Capiche?

I guess to prove my point that you're a bit of a nutcase is your selection of quotes for your signature. Like (a) what does it prove even posting them? And (b) if you have a problem with those quoted statements, where is YOUR counterpoint to them? Of course I do get the last one, which apparently makes you feel smug (albeit temporarily).

Quote: Originally Posted by Seraega
Enlightened societies understand that forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will is sick.

Quote: Originally Posted by Agnapostate
Liberalism necessarily opposes the far left, which includes socialism, communism, anarchism, and related forms of radical progressivism.

Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer
MAN (not nature and not some creator) is the most powerful force and decider in existence.

ROFLMNAO... The Indoctrination is complete; you've earned your IDIOT Certifications!

 

[MaggieMae]

That catalyst appeared early in February, when the U.S. began bombing North Vietnam. The pace of protest immediately quickened; its scope broadened. In February and again in March of 1965, SDS organized marches on the Oakland Army Terminal, the departure point for many troops bound for Southeast Asia. On 24 March, faculty members at the University of Michigan held a series of "teach-ins," modeled after earlier Civil Rights seminars, that sought to educate large segments of the student population about both the moral and political foundations of U.S. involvement. The teach-in format spread to campuses around the country and brought faculty members into active antiwar participation. In March, SDS escalated the scale of dissent to a truly national level, calling for a march on Washington to protest the bombing. On 17 April 1965, between 15,000 and 25,000 people gathered at the capital, a turnout that surprised even the organizers.

The Anti-War Movement in the United States

http://www.visionaryshirts.com/thumbs/Photos/WAR PROTESTORS 1971.jpg

Im hoping these images show up because they reflect a pattern here, and that is one of disrespectful attitudes towards those who would defend the very right the proterters exercise. Still further, when people claim BLATENT flasehoods made by a TV commmentator when the closest he ever came to defending his country was perhaps if someone knocked over a flagstand at MSNBC or ESPN are simply making fools of themselves and completly dishonoring those who defended the very right they exercise.

As I said, time to get over it. Returning veterans are NOT treated in the same manner. There is, of course, that whacko outfit from Kansas who travel the country for gravesite funerals of veterans claiming that they're homosexuals. Where do THOSE groups fit into the equation? Are they "leftists"?? Again, the title of the thread is "What's Happened to Us??" "Leftists" can't be blamed for every stupid, evil thing that goes on in this country.