What's happened to public schools in America?

[Mr.Conley]

About the math level...

 

[nt250]

Since you asked what I would do:

1. pink slip the kid that mouthed off.
2. warned your daughter about appropriateness, if she hadn't done the like before.
3. resume teaching.

Exactly. In other words, you would control your own classroom.


What do you mean by "pink slip"? Are you not capable of handling a kid who mouths off by yourself?

The stupidest question I was ever asked by a teacher was by this same guy. He asked me if my daughter ever showed disrespect to me at home. I said "of course she does, she's a 13 year old girl!"

Now, don't you dare tell me that every teenage girl in the world is perfect except for my Bad Seed.

 

[Annie]

Exactly. In other words, you would control your own classroom.


What do you mean by "pink slip"? Are you not capable of handling a kid who mouths off by yourself?

The stupidest question I was ever asked by a teacher was by this same guy. He asked me if my daughter ever showed disrespect to me at home. I said "of course she does, she's a 13 year old girl!"

Now, don't you dare tell me that every teenage girl in the world is perfect except for my Bad Seed.

Actually it's pretty unusual for girls to act out like that in school, at least in a middle class environment. At home, that really depends on the expectations.

Oh, if you think I'm going to waste my students class time 'dealing' with a smart mouth kid? Isn't going to happen, they can take the detention from the powers that be. The other kids, including your daughter, have an expectation of learning, not watching a pissing match.

 

[nt250]

Actually it's pretty unusual for girls to act out like that in school, at least in a middle class environment. At home, that really depends on the expectations.

Oh, if you think I'm going to waste my students class time 'dealing' with a smart mouth kid? Isn't going to happen, they can take the detention from the powers that be. The other kids, including your daughter, have an expectation of learning, not watching a pissing match.

If the kids respected your authority there would be no pissing contest.

You are considering the kids on your level. Your comment about "the powers that be" says it all.

YOU are the powers that be.

It's very unfortunately that teachers like you lost sight of that fact. Or never learned it at all.

 

[Annie]

If the kids respected your authority there would be no pissing contest.

You are considering the kids on your level. Your comment about "the powers that be" says it all.

YOU are the powers that be.

It's very unfortunately that teachers like you lost sight of that fact. Or never learned it at all.

Hey lady, I might have a kid like yours, with a mother like you. For some reason I'll bet your daughter is a mouth. Apples don't fall far...

Hopefully she would have already been 'educated' that teachers are not going to 'fight' with you. Get with the program or get out of the room.

You just posted that you think it's normal for your kid to be mouthing off at you. You set an example of being rude to all in 'your way.' Their sins? Trying to help your daughter by dialoguing with you. You should get her out of the school and fight with her over the phone. Oh, don't be surprised when you come home one day and find she's taken off. She respects you, the way you respect her and others. Good day.

 

[nt250]

Frankly, you seem too angry at her school for your daughter to get anything positive out of it anyway, so perhaps it is best that she withdraw.

I'm way past angry. I'm finished.

My goal now is to get her to 16 so she can quit school and I'll never have to deal with teachers or social workers or principals again.

My attitude isn't that unusual either. It's warned about in studies about so-called "problem children" and how schools deal with them and their parents.

She's an introvert. And she can't change that. It's who she is. If they would leave her alone, she'd be fine. But they can't. Because they "care".

 

[Mr.Conley]

NO, DO NOT HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

If you do that, you are screwing her FOR LIFE. Unless you want your daughter working at McDonalds for life, then do not take her out of school.At the very least homeschool, send her to a local community college, or have her take online courses. Stanford has a great online math program. http://epgy.stanford.edu/
They go through the second year of college math and do a bunch of APs. It's also well respected by colleges.

 

[Annie]

I'm way past angry. I'm finished.

My goal now is to get her to 16 so she can quit school and I'll never have to deal with teachers or social workers or principals again.

My attitude isn't that unusual either. It's warned about in studies about so-called "problem children" and how schools deal with them and their parents.

She's an introvert. And she can't change that. It's who she is. If they would leave her alone, she'd be fine. But they can't. Because they "care".

Interesting, I think you posted she had the highest test score recorded for her age level, but your goal is to get her to the point she can quit school.

On another post, you mentioned that she was down about the science project, other kids had 'lots of help' or maybe their parents 'just did it.' I happen to agree with you that's wrong. But you pretty much just blew her off, let her shrug her way into school. Then were upset when what she knew would come to pass, did. You missed the time when you could have helped her realize where the values should be.

But somehow one gets the idea that it isn't your 'values about work ethic' as much as time. Your time. Just get her 'through' and done.

You say she's an 'introvert.' Introverts don't encourage bad behavior in others, as you sited as an example.

My guess, the teachers are right about her needing help, take her. My guess, 2 sessions with her, the doc will switch the sessions to you. The kid might be fine.

 

[Said1]

nt250: Did you quite school?

 

[Mr. P]

It’s easy to see why a social worker has been called in. Someone has to lookout for this kid. My guess is we haven’t heard “all” the story either.

 

[nt250]

Interesting, I think you posted she had the highest test score recorded for her age level, but your goal is to get her to the point she can quit school.

On another post, you mentioned that she was down about the science project, other kids had 'lots of help' or maybe their parents 'just did it.' I happen to agree with you that's wrong. But you pretty much just blew her off, let her shrug her way into school. Then were upset when what she knew would come to pass, did. You missed the time when you could have helped her realize where the values should be.

But somehow one gets the idea that it isn't your 'values about work ethic' as much as time. Your time. Just get her 'through' and done.

You say she's an 'introvert.' Introverts don't encourage bad behavior in others, as you sited as an example.

My guess, the teachers are right about her needing help, take her. My guess, 2 sessions with her, the doc will switch the sessions to you. The kid might be fine.

Encourage bad behavoir?

You people amaze me. Do any of you people have kids of your own?

And you, Kathianne. Are you that weak in the classroom that your students scare you so much that you can't control them yourself? That's really sad.

Really, it is. For you to have the attitude that the kids you teach are on your own level, and you have no right to discipline them yourself, is really very sad.

Or maybe it's just laziness? After all, you have the "powers that be" now, don't you? You don't have to earn respect in your own classroom because all you have to do is send any kid who pisses you off to the office and let them deal with it, right?

When I was a kid teachers were to be respected. Today, they all act like babysitters afraid of pissing off the parent who pays them $5 an hour.

Except you make a hell of a lot more than that.

 

[Said1]

Encourage bad behavoir?

You people amaze me. Do any of you people have kids of your own?

And you, Kathianne. Are you that weak in the classroom that your students scare you so much that you can't control them yourself? That's really sad.

Really, it is. For you to have the attitude that the kids you teach are on your own level, and you have no right to discipline them yourself, is really very sad.

Or maybe it's just laziness? After all, you have the "powers that be" now, don't you? You don't have to earn respect in your own classroom because all you have to do is send any kid who pisses you off to the office and let them deal with it, right?

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Naw, she prefers to victimize parents like you until they urge their children to drop out.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Let's see: everyone in this thread is wrong, the social workers are wrong, the school administrators are wrong, and all of her teachers are wrong. That's quite a body count.

Btw, most of us do have children.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I'm way past angry. I'm finished.

My goal now is to get her to 16 so she can quit school and I'll never have to deal with teachers or social workers or principals again.

My attitude isn't that unusual either. It's warned about in studies about so-called "problem children" and how schools deal with them and their parents.

She's an introvert. And she can't change that. It's who she is. If they would leave her alone, she'd be fine. But they can't. Because they "care".

You may be "finished" but unfortunately your daughter isn't. She's still only a teenager and she needs to get her high school degree just for a basic start in life. And if she is as smart as her tests indicate, she needs to get a college degree as well to reach her full potential. I hope you help her to achieve both. You could possibly steer her towards some scholarships to pay for college. Take it a step at a time but the sooner you and your daughter establish some plans together the easier it will be for both of you.

Also, children's expressions can tell a lot about a child. If she looks sad all the time, she may be...at least regarding her peer environment in school. No kid really likes to be a "loner" all the time. Kids need opportunities to develop their social skills. Perhaps getting her into some organized activity that she'd like outside of school might help her develop positive relationships on her own terms.

Kudos to you for taking on the school system and not letting them dictate to you on how to raise your child. I sympathize with your enormous frustration but keep up the good work. Aside from some comments, I agree with most of what you have said here, especially where it is the school's primary function to teach academics first and to not "socialize" our children. The government school system has been taken over by the left and their goal is to indoctrinate and control our children and thus the future of our country. Socialism is their goal with "The State" replacing the roles of parents and family. It's time parents become more like you and resist this insidious takeover under the auspices of "caring". We all know that nobody cares more about a child than a parent.

 

[liberalogic]

You may be "finished" but unfortunately your daughter isn't. She's still only a teenager and she needs to get her high school degree just for a basic start in life. And if she is as smart as her tests indicate, she needs to get a college degree as well to reach her full potential. I hope you help her to achieve both. You could possibly steer her towards some scholarships to pay for college. Take it a step at a time but the sooner you and your daughter establish some plans together the easier it will be for both of you.

Also, children's expressions can tell a lot about a child. If she looks sad all the time, she may be...at least regarding her peer environment in school. No kid really likes to be a "loner" all the time. Kids need opportunities to develop their social skills. Perhaps getting her into some organized activity that she'd like outside of school might help her develop positive relationships on her own terms.

Kudos to you for taking on the school system and not letting them dictate to you on how to raise your child. I sympathize with your enormous frustration but keep up the good work. Aside from some comments, I agree with most of what you have said here, especially where it is the school's primary function to teach academics first and to not "socialize" our children. The government school system has been taken over by the left and their goal is to indoctrinate and control our children and thus the future of our country. Socialism is their goal with "The State" replacing the roles of parents and family. It's time parents become more like you and resist this insidious takeover under the auspices of "caring". We all know that nobody cares more about a child than a parent.

I agree with you (to an extent) about the left-leaning school policies and it angers me as well. Confidence is the key to their success: if children are happy in school (if they have little work and little struggle), then parents are happy because they don't have to deal with angry kids. We're softening society by making education more conducive to social skills rather than academics. It's no wonder why other countries are smarter.

I disagree with your belief that it's an attempt to "liberalize" society and eliminate parents. I think it's just a way to not have to deal with parents and to make everyone happy-go-lucky. But this serves NO purpose at all. When kids get into the real world, they are exposed to others who can shatter this confidence in one second. It amazes me that they fuss about nt250's child's social skills so much. It's the kid's job to find out who she is and how to fit in. There's no guidance counselor or principal to force this issue after graduation.

If only we could go back to learning, challenging, falling, and learning how to get back up again. Education should be an ongoing struggle-- it should mirror life, not fantasyland.

 

[Mr. P]

Encourage bad behavoir?

You people amaze me. Do any of you people have kids of your own?

....

Not me. No kids. I do have one child though. She just finished her senior year of HS a few weeks ago while in college. That’s right, while in college. All first year college courses too. Funny what benefits come from that nasty “summer homework” and parental involvement ain’t it?

Damn, ya know, I should have said, “Summer homework, FUCK that! I’ll never let her do that!”.

Yeah, she’d a been better off, I guess.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Not me. No kids. I do have one child though. She just finished her senior year of HS a few weeks ago while in college. That’s right, while in college. All first year college courses too. Funny what benefits come from that nasty “summer homework” and parental involvement ain’t it?

Damn, ya know, I should have said, “Summer homework, FUCK that! I’ll never let her do that!”.

Yeah, she’d a been better off, I guess.

Congrats to the fine daughter of Mr.P. You both done good!

 

[Mr. P]

Congrats to the fine daughter of Mr.P. You both done good!

Thanks, Abbey! She has don't the work...I just helped guide er a bit (when she'd listen).

 

[Abbey Normal]

Thanks, Abbey! She has don't the work...I just helped guide er a bit (when she'd listen).

I hear that!

 

[Nienna]

I could go on and on about public schools and some of the teachers found therein. But I do disagree about summer work. I use it as a time to teach the kids stuff they don't learn in school, as well as keeping the subject material fresh in their minds. They don't assign summer work, at least not in elementary. But I make up lessons for them. I try to make it fun. But, nt, you're right about kids not having the freedom they used to have in the summer. It's sad. But, since they don't, summer work is a good way to keep them busy.

Of course, it's harder when you have to work.