What's An Acceptable Number Of Innocent People Being Executed?

[Bfgrn]

Can there be ANY doubt that ALL forms of totalitarianism and oppressive government comes from the right?

There can be no doubt - - - if you only listen to far left lying sacks of shit and never bother to so much as glance at history. You ******* idiot.

Well, pick some history and let's see who has accurate sources and who spews propaganda.


I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

 

[Unkotare]

Can there be ANY doubt that ALL forms of totalitarianism and oppressive government comes from the right?

There can be no doubt - - - if you only listen to far left lying sacks of shit and never bother to so much as glance at history. You ******* idiot.

Well, pick some history and let's see who has accurate sources and who spews propaganda.


I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

Did you say "accurate"? You cite one person's political opinion and boast of "accurate sources"? And you didn't even try to say something about government. You just mentioned a news outlet you don't 'like.' Are you ******* kidding?

Let's pick some history indeed. How about the USSR? The PRC? Pol Pot? How's that for oppression and totalitarianism, champ?

 

[auditor0007]

Just wondered what an acceptable number would be for "executing innocent people by mistake" before reviewing the death penalty? What brings this up is the proud record of Texas.

From what I've seen there have been 12 people released from Death Row in Texas. There has also been 755 executed. Now ASSUMING that EVERY ONE of the executed were, in fact, guilty as charged (highly unlikely) that would bring the average to about 1.6% faulty conviction rate.

So what say you? Is more than 1 out of 100 "mistakes" an acceptable number? Would that be considered "collateral damage"?

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

Right, because innocent people have never been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

 

[bripat9643]

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

Right, because innocent people have never been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

Where did I say that? However, the possibility that someone can sit on death row for 20 years making appeal after appeal after appeal and still be innocent is pretty close to zero.

 

[Bfgrn]

There can be no doubt - - - if you only listen to far left lying sacks of shit and never bother to so much as glance at history. You ******* idiot.

Well, pick some history and let's see who has accurate sources and who spews propaganda.


I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

Did you say "accurate"? You cite one person's political opinion and boast of "accurate sources"? And you didn't even try to say something about government. You just mentioned a news outlet you don't 'like.' Are you ******* kidding?

Let's pick some history indeed. How about the USSR? The PRC? Pol Pot? How's that for oppression and totalitarianism, champ?

OK, let's start with a fact, and explore the premise...

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

What Mao Zedong said about liberalism

"Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.

It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency."
Combat Liberalism

 

[idb]

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

Right, because innocent people have never been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

Where did I say that? However, the possibility that someone can sit on death row for 20 years making appeal after appeal after appeal and still be innocent is pretty close to zero.

I never picked you as one to have so much unquestioning faith in authority.

 

[Zander]

Some folks say that Capital Punishment is state sanctioned "murder". Really? By that same standard, imprisonment must be considered state sanctioned "kidnapping".

 

[California Girl]

There can be no doubt - - - if you only listen to far left lying sacks of shit and never bother to so much as glance at history. You ******* idiot.

Well, pick some history and let's see who has accurate sources and who spews propaganda.


I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

Did you say "accurate"? You cite one person's political opinion and boast of "accurate sources"? And you didn't even try to say something about government. You just mentioned a news outlet you don't 'like.' Are you ******* kidding?

Let's pick some history indeed. How about the USSR? The PRC? Pol Pot? How's that for oppression and totalitarianism, champ?

For some people, the opinion of another person counts as 'fact'.

 

[driveby]

Well, pick some history and let's see who has accurate sources and who spews propaganda.


I heard Ray McGovern, a retired CIA agent whose expertise was the old Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries say the propaganda coming out of Fox News is at the same level as Pravda. But I suspect most Russians knew Pravda was propaganda.

Did you say "accurate"? You cite one person's political opinion and boast of "accurate sources"? And you didn't even try to say something about government. You just mentioned a news outlet you don't 'like.' Are you ******* kidding?

Let's pick some history indeed. How about the USSR? The PRC? Pol Pot? How's that for oppression and totalitarianism, champ?

For some people, the opinion of another person counts as 'fact'.

Yep, the OP is a prime example.....

 

[bripat9643]

I never picked you as one to have so much unquestioning faith in authority.

That's because you're a certified imbecile. I have faith in juries, not authority. This issue has nothing to do with the later.

 

[Dr Grump]

The West Memphis three were in prison for 18 years. They are innocent. Not even getting into the Innocence project and those on death row that have been exonerated.

As I said, full of shit....

Exhibit A as to why some people should not be allowed to vote...

Sorry, but there is no proof that they are innocent.

As usual the libturd lies about the facts.

And, yes, some people should not be allowed to vote, like libturds who lie all the time.

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

In my world, people are innocent until proven guilty.
In britraitor's world you are guilty until proven innocent....

 

[Dr Grump]

Your belief that the people released were "innocent" is your first wrong assumption.

Right, because innocent people have never been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

Where did I say that? However, the possibility that someone can sit on death row for 20 years making appeal after appeal after appeal and still be innocent is pretty close to zero.

You don't have a clue do you?

 

[Dr Grump]

I never picked you as one to have so much unquestioning faith in authority.

That's because you're a certified imbecile. I have faith in juries, not authority. This issue has nothing to do with the later.

I'd stop posting now....the more you do, the more of a blithering idiot you are..

 

[Full-Auto]

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

but found guilty in a court of law.

You reconcile this how?

 

[Dr Grump]

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

but found guilty in a court of law.

You reconcile this how?

Lazy cops, politically motivated DA's - one of the worst aspects of your legal system - judges and DAs are political appointments, not based on ability.

In the end it was a dodgy confession by a mildly retarded kid, defense lawyers trying to get the best deal for their clients instead of trying to find the truth. Luckily DNA evidence came into being and they were found to have nothing to do with the incident.

Once again lazy police, politically motivated DAs made sure the convictions weren't quashed to stave off lawsuits and they have closed the case.

Not too sure how people feel in Memphis that a killer of three young boys is running around loose (unless he has died or has been locked up on another charge). The police and DA sure don't give a ****...as long as they don't look bad. Much more important than finding killer(s) it seems...

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, but there is no proof that they are innocent.

As usual the libturd lies about the facts.

And, yes, some people should not be allowed to vote, like libturds who lie all the time.

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

In my world, people are innocent until proven guilty.
In britraitor's world you are guilty until proven innocent....

They were convicted by a jury of their peers. In other words, they were proven guilty.

 

[bripat9643]

Right, because innocent people have never been convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

Where did I say that? However, the possibility that someone can sit on death row for 20 years making appeal after appeal after appeal and still be innocent is pretty close to zero.

You don't have a clue do you?

The irony in everything you post is unbelievable!

 

[bripat9643]

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

but found guilty in a court of law.

You reconcile this how?

Lazy cops, politically motivated DA's - one of the worst aspects of your legal system - judges and DAs are political appointments, not based on ability.

In the end it was a dodgy confession by a mildly retarded kid, defense lawyers trying to get the best deal for their clients instead of trying to find the truth. Luckily DNA evidence came into being and they were found to have nothing to do with the incident.

The DNA evidence did not absolve them of anything. The fact that there was DNA from people other than the victim or the perps doesn't change a thing. There isn't a crime scene on earth that doesn't have DNA from all kinds of people not involved in the crime.

Once again lazy police, politically motivated DAs made sure the convictions weren't quashed to stave off lawsuits and they have closed the case.

What evidence is there that the police were lazy or the DA politically motivated?

Short answer: none.

Not too sure how people feel in Memphis that a killer of three young boys is running around loose (unless he has died or has been locked up on another charge). The police and DA sure don't give a ****...as long as they don't look bad. Much more important than finding killer(s) it seems...

The killers are running around loose because turds like you set them free.

 

[Full-Auto]

More importantly there was no proof they were guilty.

but found guilty in a court of law.

You reconcile this how?

Lazy cops, politically motivated DA's - one of the worst aspects of your legal system - judges and DAs are political appointments, not based on ability.

In the end it was a dodgy confession by a mildly retarded kid, defense lawyers trying to get the best deal for their clients instead of trying to find the truth. Luckily DNA evidence came into being and they were found to have nothing to do with the incident.

Once again lazy police, politically motivated DAs made sure the convictions weren't quashed to stave off lawsuits and they have closed the case.

Not too sure how people feel in Memphis that a killer of three young boys is running around loose (unless he has died or has been locked up on another charge). The police and DA sure don't give a ****...as long as they don't look bad. Much more important than finding killer(s) it seems...

I agree the system has been abused, I am aware that there have been false convictions due to overzealous prosecutors.

The law should be changed that the prosecutor is guilty of the crime malicious prosecution and receives the same sentence as the the falsely convicted. This would take care of 99% of the problem. Let the executions go forward in a timely manner so they have the deterring effect they once had.

 

[DaGoose]

Wrong, DaGoofe told me all murderers would rather die than have to serve a long prison sentence.....

Ok....now you're just lying. Never did I ever say that ALL prisoners would rather die than serve life in prison. But I have offered support of my position that many consider a life sentence worse than the death penalty.

One source of evidence on the extent of pain associated with a life sentence
is provided by condemned prisoners who tell us point blank that a life
sentence is worse than a death sentence. These are not just empty words. A
remarkable 123 prisoners—11% of the 1,099 executions carried out at the
time of this writing—have dropped their appeals and allowed themselves to
be killed (Death Penalty Information Center, 2008).

http://www.realcostofprisons.org/materials/americas_other_death_penalty.pdf

And yet what have YOU offered? Your opinion? Well **** you. Your opinion doesn't mean jack shit. I already attested to what life in prison is about via my BROTHER and good friend of which both have spent most of their adult lives in prison. You probably wouldn't know a prisoner if he come up and slapped your candy ass.

Now since you can't offer any kind of reasonable argument I will kindly ask you to **** off and go post your childish and idiotic insults somewhere else.

But hey, I mean that in the nicest way.

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Holy back pedals batman, you've stated your opinion that the death penalty is wrong because life in prison is worse, now you're saying it's a lie... If anyone tried to slap my "candy ass" they wouldn't like the consequences, whether it's a clown like you or a tough guy prisoner like your brother. My "reasonable argument" would be every prisoner on death row that wants their execution sentence changed to life in prison, not some article about ONE guy or a story about your brother. All you basically have is your moonbat opinion, deal with it....


P.S. On a serious note, i'm assuming your brother hasn't committed suicide while in prison, which is a good thing, but it makes my point that he'd rather be alive in prison than dead.......

You must be putting me on because I don't think anyone could a ******* stupid as you're acting.

I've stated that MANY prisoners would rather be put to death than spend life behind bars w/o parole. And I backed my claim up with personal knowledge, links and quotes.

YOU, on the other hand think prison life is so wonderful that every "lifer" would rather live out their days in prison than be put to death. Yet you admit you know nobody behind bars and you offer nothing to back up your idiotic statements.

Oh yeah. You're really winning this one alright.

You're a dipshit.

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