Zone1 What you were never told about Revelation: A revaluation and reassessment

[norwegen]

Sorry no, the Word makes it clear;

7Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen

Lawdy, Mate. It just floats right over yer head, don't it. Easy pickins, yet it just floats on by.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Lawdy, Mate. It just floats right over yer head, don't it. Easy pickins, yet it just floats on by.

I'm with my position. Jesus has not yet returned the "second" time.

 

[norwegen]

I'm with my position. Jesus has not yet returned the "second" time.

The Bible says he has. And a third and a fourth time and so on.

You should read it sometime.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The Bible says he has. And a third and a fourth time and so on.

You should read it sometime.

No the Bible doesn't. You should study it, not just read it. Go play with Surada, neither of you excel Biblical knowledge.

 

[norwegen]

No the Bible doesn't. You should study it, not just read it. Go play with Surada, neither of you excel Biblical knowledge.

Yes it does. You should study it, not just keep it as a paperweight. Go play with your little dispensationalist friends. None of you excels in biblical knowledge.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's symbolic.. all apocryphal writing is full of symbolism.

That's your vivid imagination that it was symbolic. There is no indication or writings that say so. Zechariah is not apocryphal writings. Neither is Revelation. Yes, there is much symbolism. But, that doesn't mean the writings were symbolic to their time. It's more proper to realize that the writings of Zechariah are prophecy for a future time while symbolisms used for our time. And, those pictures they are drawing will actually take place like the mount of Olives dividing up 4 ways creating a valley.

 

[surada]

No the Bible doesn't. You should study it, not just read it. Go play with Surada, neither of you excel Biblical knowledge.

You're reading the Bible thru the lense of the Scofield heresy. That's quite recent.

 

[surada]

That's your vivid imagination that it was symbolic. There is no indication or writings that say so. Zechariah is not apocryphal writings. Neither is Revelation. Yes, there is much symbolism. But, that doesn't mean the writings were symbolic to their time. It's more proper to realize that the writings of Zechariah are prophecy for a future time while symbolisms used for our time. And, those pictures they are drawing will actually take place like the mount of Olives dividing up 4 ways creating a valley.

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

www.pbs.org

 

[Cougarbear]

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

www.pbs.org

You are going to use an atheistic program of PBS to explain the things of God? Like revelation and prophecy? LOL!!!
Ummm...you do know the difference between apocryphal and apocalypse?

 

[DudleySmith]

Sorry no, the Word makes it clear;

7Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen

Which says nothing about it being second, or first, or third.

Nobody is disputing his saying he will return.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Which says nothing about it being second, or first, or third.

Nobody is disputing his saying he will return.

Sorry, no.

 

[JustAGuy1]

You're reading the Bible thru the lense of the Scofield heresy. That's quite recent.

I am reading it through the lense of the Holy Spirit. Get off of your silly "Scofield" obsession, every time anyone contradicts you you throw that out there. Without the Holy Spirit you will never understand the Living Word.

 

[surada]

I am reading it through the lense of the Holy Spirit. Get off of your silly "Scofield" obsession, every time anyone contradicts you you throw that out there. Without the Holy Spirit you will never understand the Living Word.

The futuristic heresy really became popular with the prophet Hal Lindsey's book Late Great Planet Earth.. and then Tim Lahaye's Left Behind series.

 

[norwegen]

Which says nothing about it being second, or first, or third.

Nobody is disputing his saying he will return.

I'm disputing that.

He doesn't leave. How does he return if he doesn't leave?

He just comes. And he comes all the time, as billions of born-again believers in the last 2,000 years can attest to. But he has also come in judgment against his people, most notably in the last generation of temple dwellers, as Jesus foretold and the apostles expected.

 

[DudleySmith]

Sorry, no.

Sorry, yes. The 'Second Coming' is a made up opinion; it a reference to his next return, not an actual number of returns: he has already been here twice, and if you go by some theologies he came several times. Why anybody even questions that is just bizarre.

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm disputing that.

He doesn't leave. How does he return if he doesn't leave?

He just comes. And he comes all the time, as billions of born-again believers in the last 2,000 years can attest to. But he has also come in judgment against his people, most notably in the last generation of temple dwellers, as Jesus foretold and the apostles expected.

Go ahead; here There just isn't anything in his words or anybody else's that says anything about a 'Second Coming', and his first 'Coming' was part of prophecy of his coming and dying, which is pretty much leaving, by anybody's standards. He came back after three days, and will come again, that's number two, obviously. He is referring to the returning to the physical world, and according to the books all who have died are currently dead and won't be risen until he returns. Visions are a different thing. I.E. there is no Second Coming, he's already been here twice.

 

[DudleySmith]

The futuristic heresy really became popular with the prophet Hal Lindsey's book Late Great Planet Earth.. and then Tim Lahaye's Left Behind series.

Actually you're wrong as usual. Forget the Schofield rubbish; nobody ever cites him or names him as a source for anything except you. He lives in your head.

 

[surada]

Actually you're wrong as usual. Forget the Schofield rubbish; nobody ever cites him or names him as a source for anything except you. He lives in your head.

Of course they don't name him. He founded the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody institute.. They have turned out thousands of Dispensationalists and Dominionists preachers...as well as fundamentalists and modern day prophets who claim Russia is Gog and Magog and will invade Israel.

Scofield was hired to promote Christian Zionism.

 

[DudleySmith]

Of course they don't name him. He founded the Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody institute.. They have turned out thousands of Dispensationalists and Dominionists preachers...as well as fundamentalists and modern day prophets who claim Russia is Gog and Magog and will invade Israel.

Scofield was hired to promote Christian Zionism.

yet nobody uses him as a source for anything. lol I have several of Darrell Bock's and FF .Bruce's histories, neither cite him for anything; Bock works at the Dallas Seminary; obviusly you don't really know what you're talking about re Schofield's importance.

 

[surada]

yet nobody uses him as a source for anything. lol I have several of Darrell Bock's and FF .Bruce's histories, neither cite him for anything; Bock works at the Dallas Seminary; obviusly you don't really know what you're talking about re Schofield's importance.

Of course he knows. Scofield became popular during the great depression and the dust bowl years in tent revivals attended by poor uneducated people. It got a surge in popularity from Late Great Planet Earth. It's found it's way into the mainstream with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and other fundamentalist preachers. It's even found it's way into militant Catholicism particularly those who bitch about Vatican 2.