What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

[OnePercenter]

With the exception of degree professionals/certificate/licensed, every job is low tech. Greed is why workers make crap today.

Skilled labor like plumbers welders and electricians are arguably more technical than a barista which is where most people with worthless degrees end up

But Baristas make more revenue for their employer. Besides, any corn hole can do all three jobs......Even you!

Really? You can wire and plumb a house to code?

I know I can because I wired and plumbed my own house you on the other hand I don't think you can

With a minimal amount of instruction, anyone can do what you did.

Then why is there a shortage of skilled labor? If it's soooo easy why bother to get a worthless BS in Psych and work as a counter schlep at Starbucks?

Gee, a sociopath having an issue with psych degrees. LOL!!!

 

[OnePercenter]

As long as employers can get away with paying crap, that is what is going to happen.

Why do you continue to plead the case for these jerks?

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

I care about the three million people. You, not so much. Sociopath.

Except $15.00/hr is closer to where minimum should be, $23.50/hr. More money spent by the middle class, the faster the economy will improve.

Then you hire people to sweep your floors for 25 an hour. If you don't not only are you a hypocrite but by your definition you are a sociopath

People that sweep floors don't maintain the infrastructure of a business?

 

[xband]

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

I care about the three million people. You, not so much. Sociopath.

Except $15.00/hr is closer to where minimum should be, $23.50/hr. More money spent by the middle class, the faster the economy will improve.

Then you hire people to sweep your floors for 25 an hour. If you don't not only are you a hypocrite but by your definition you are a sociopath

People that sweep floors are the pirmo defection of infrastructure you keep us from tripping over the metal shards.
Sweeping the floor is an easy job but necessary to keep you from tripping and falling on your ass. : )

 

[Oldstyle]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct?

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skilled labor like plumbers welders and electricians are arguably more technical than a barista which is where most people with worthless degrees end up

But Baristas make more revenue for their employer. Besides, any corn hole can do all three jobs......Even you!

Really? You can wire and plumb a house to code?

I know I can because I wired and plumbed my own house you on the other hand I don't think you can

With a minimal amount of instruction, anyone can do what you did.

Then why is there a shortage of skilled labor? If it's soooo easy why bother to get a worthless BS in Psych and work as a counter schlep at Starbucks?

Gee, a sociopath having an issue with psych degrees. LOL!!!

anyone with a brain knows a BS in psych is worthless it's no wonder you don't know that

 

[Skull Pilot]

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

I care about the three million people. You, not so much. Sociopath.

Except $15.00/hr is closer to where minimum should be, $23.50/hr. More money spent by the middle class, the faster the economy will improve.

Then you hire people to sweep your floors for 25 an hour. If you don't not only are you a hypocrite but by your definition you are a sociopath

People that sweep floors don't maintain the infrastructure of a business?

do you pay people 25 an hour to push a broom?

FYI that's a yes or no question

 

[Rshermr]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Not at all. Increase, yes. Proportional, no. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Uh, no one suggested that. Are you having delusions? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct? No, not actually. You may want at some point to look at the history of minimum wage increases, and notice that what you suggest "must happen" did not happen. Labor costs are a different percent of the cost of operations based on the type of market the company is in, and other variables. Assuming that labor costs are always the highest costs indicate that you believe all companies are similar to restaurants. They are not.

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!
Uh, perhaps you are the one that needs to think. You are simply pushing well established and totally unproven conservative talking points. Which does not require you to think anything through. And in fact discourages the exercise of thinking.
No, I would simply think you are a far right wing nut case pushing right wing talking points, and have no understanding of economic history. But we will all find out. $15 is a big number, but you obviously ignored the fact that it is implemented over time. Not all at once, as you suggest. And, of course, you ignore the simple fact that raises in minimum wage are always opposed by the far right with the same rhetoric from the same right wing talking points, and in every case are proven to be wrong.
What is constant ant true is that the corporatists and their right wing supporters always say the same exact thing and have always been proven wrong.

Really, trying to find the truth about this is very simple if you are interested. A basic look at the subject could start, if you actually cared, with the dol site and their refuting of the untrue conservative talking points and untrue claims that the right uses. Here. Assuming you are interested at all.

"Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 89 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase to $12 per hour are age 20 or older, and 56 percent are women.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour — before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: As of May 2015, employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $12.25 per hour — before tips. Yet, the San Francisco leisure and hospitality industry, which includes full-service restaurants, has experienced positive job growth this year, including following the most recent minimum wage increase.

Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: While 29 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for nearly 38 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.

Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.

Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.

Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.

Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set."
Minimum Wage Mythbusters

 

[Rshermr]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! Another insult from a con troll who does not care about or understand how the economy functions, but only pushes conservative talking points. You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct?

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!

It seems silly to raise it at all.

Scrap that, it seems silly for the corporate government to play wage control at all.

I agree. It doesn't matter what the MW is IMO because employment is a ladder not a bed you're not supposed to stay at the bottom rung your entire life

As long as employers can get away with paying crap, that is what is going to happen.

Why do you continue to plead the case for these jerks?

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!
Really? Any proof of your statement, or are you simply pushing con talking points?

 

[Rshermr]

As long as employers can get away with paying crap, that is what is going to happen.

Why do you continue to plead the case for these jerks?

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.
Nor did anyone suggest that we did. Your point?

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

I care about the three million people. You, not so much. Sociopath.

Except $15.00/hr is closer to where minimum should be, $23.50/hr. More money spent by the middle class, the faster the economy will improve.

Won't that be worse?
No. Not to those making the higher wage. But it would be worse for con trolls, like you.

Why do you feel the bottom 2% of earners are middle class?
I don't. Do you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! Another insult from a con troll who does not care about or understand how the economy functions, but only pushes conservative talking points. You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct?

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!

I agree. It doesn't matter what the MW is IMO because employment is a ladder not a bed you're not supposed to stay at the bottom rung your entire life

As long as employers can get away with paying crap, that is what is going to happen.

Why do you continue to plead the case for these jerks?

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!
Really? Any proof of your statement, or are you simply pushing con talking points?

Would there be more or fewer at the new, higher minimum wage?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.
Nor did anyone suggest that we did. Your point?

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

I care about the three million people. You, not so much. Sociopath.

Except $15.00/hr is closer to where minimum should be, $23.50/hr. More money spent by the middle class, the faster the economy will improve.

Won't that be worse?
No. Not to those making the higher wage. But it would be worse for con trolls, like you.

Why do you feel the bottom 2% of earners are middle class?
I don't. Do you?

I don't, OnePercenter does.

 

[Rshermr]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! Another insult from a con troll who does not care about or understand how the economy functions, but only pushes conservative talking points. You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct?

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!

As long as employers can get away with paying crap, that is what is going to happen.

Why do you continue to plead the case for these jerks?

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!
Really? Any proof of your statement, or are you simply pushing con talking points?

Would there be more or fewer at the new, higher minimum wage?
Really, me boy. Your question is immaterial. And too easy. So, are you simply playing games, or do you have a point?

 

[Oldstyle]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Not at all. Increase, yes. Proportional, no. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Uh, no one suggested that. Are you having delusions? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct? No, not actually. You may want at some point to look at the history of minimum wage increases, and notice that what you suggest "must happen" did not happen. Labor costs are a different percent of the cost of operations based on the type of market the company is in, and other variables. Assuming that labor costs are always the highest costs indicate that you believe all companies are similar to restaurants. They are not.

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!
Uh, perhaps you are the one that needs to think. You are simply pushing well established and totally unproven conservative talking points. Which does not require you to think anything through. And in fact discourages the exercise of thinking.
No, I would simply think you are a far right wing nut case pushing right wing talking points, and have no understanding of economic history. But we will all find out. $15 is a big number, but you obviously ignored the fact that it is implemented over time. Not all at once, as you suggest. And, of course, you ignore the simple fact that raises in minimum wage are always opposed by the far right with the same rhetoric from the same right wing talking points, and in every case are proven to be wrong.
What is constant ant true is that the corporatists and their right wing supporters always say the same exact thing and have always been proven wrong.

Really, trying to find the truth about this is very simple if you are interested. A basic look at the subject could start, if you actually cared, with the dol site and their refuting of the untrue conservative talking points and untrue claims that the right uses. Here. Assuming you are interested at all.

"Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 89 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase to $12 per hour are age 20 or older, and 56 percent are women.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour — before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: As of May 2015, employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $12.25 per hour — before tips. Yet, the San Francisco leisure and hospitality industry, which includes full-service restaurants, has experienced positive job growth this year, including following the most recent minimum wage increase.

Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: While 29 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for nearly 38 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.

Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.

Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.

Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.

Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set."
Minimum Wage Mythbusters

So you believe that those making a wage above minimum wage will be content with a small raise and not one that is proportional to the raise that an entry level worker makes...even though businesses will of course have to raise the price of their goods and services to make up for the increase in labor costs? Do you not grasp that means that the buying power of those above minimum wage will actually decline? You think they'll be "fine" with that though because it will let entry level people make more?

 

[Oldstyle]

Funny how you Progressives are always talking about how you're "here" for the Middle Class...yet all of your policies to help the poor end up with the Middle Class footing the bill.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! Another insult from a con troll who does not care about or understand how the economy functions, but only pushes conservative talking points. You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct?

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!

If people don't like what their employer is paying them they can find another job or acquire the skills needed to demand higher pay

only about 3% of all workers get paid the federal MW and in that 3% are service workers who get tips

so I hate to break it to you but this is not the problem you are making it out to be

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION. Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

Three million American workers are at or near minimum wage. THREE MILLION.

We don't live in Lake Wobegone.

Pretty bleak for the richest country in the world.

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!!

If you raise it to $10 or $15, many multiples of 3 million would be at or near minimum wage.
You'd be making it even bleaker!!
Really? Any proof of your statement, or are you simply pushing con talking points?

Would there be more or fewer at the new, higher minimum wage?
Really, me boy. Your question is immaterial. And too easy. So, are you simply playing games, or do you have a point?

So, are you simply playing games, or do you have a point?

Give me an answer, I'll tell you my point.

 

[Rshermr]

More people would spend more money, causing stores and restaurants to hire more people...

More tax money would go into local, state, and federal programs, so schools and infrastructure would improve.

Wow, I'm constantly amazed at the people here who have absolutely no clue how an economy functions! You want a large increase in the minimum wage? OK, fine...raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and lets step back and take a common sense look at what would happen. First of all a raise that large at the bottom of the wage scale would have to cause a corresponding increase in the wages of throughout the wage scale. Not at all. Increase, yes. Proportional, no. Does anyone here think that someone with years of experience and far more job skills then an entry level worker is going to be content getting paid the same as someone who just started? Uh, no one suggested that. Are you having delusions? Obviously not...correct? So you have to raise everyone's wage. Since labor costs are generally the largest expense of any company...it's common sense that prices will have to be raised to pay for these across the board pay raises...correct? So the cost of everything you purchase...all the services you need...would have to increase...correct? No, not actually. You may want at some point to look at the history of minimum wage increases, and notice that what you suggest "must happen" did not happen. Labor costs are a different percent of the cost of operations based on the type of market the company is in, and other variables. Assuming that labor costs are always the highest costs indicate that you believe all companies are similar to restaurants. They are not.

So if I came to you and said...Hey, I'm going to give you a ten dollar an hour wage...but I'm going to increase your rent...increase the cost of your lunch...increase the cost of that plumber you call to fix your leaky pipe...increase the cost of your internet service provider...increase the cost of EVERYTHING you purchase...would you still be thrilled with your wage "increase"? Come on people...THINK!
Uh, perhaps you are the one that needs to think. You are simply pushing well established and totally unproven conservative talking points. Which does not require you to think anything through. And in fact discourages the exercise of thinking.
No, I would simply think you are a far right wing nut case pushing right wing talking points, and have no understanding of economic history. But we will all find out. $15 is a big number, but you obviously ignored the fact that it is implemented over time. Not all at once, as you suggest. And, of course, you ignore the simple fact that raises in minimum wage are always opposed by the far right with the same rhetoric from the same right wing talking points, and in every case are proven to be wrong.
What is constant ant true is that the corporatists and their right wing supporters always say the same exact thing and have always been proven wrong.

Really, trying to find the truth about this is very simple if you are interested. A basic look at the subject could start, if you actually cared, with the dol site and their refuting of the untrue conservative talking points and untrue claims that the right uses. Here. Assuming you are interested at all.

"Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 89 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase to $12 per hour are age 20 or older, and 56 percent are women.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour — before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: As of May 2015, employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $12.25 per hour — before tips. Yet, the San Francisco leisure and hospitality industry, which includes full-service restaurants, has experienced positive job growth this year, including following the most recent minimum wage increase.

Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: While 29 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for nearly 38 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.

Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.

Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.

Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.

Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set."
Minimum Wage Mythbusters

So you believe that those making a wage above minimum wage will be content with a small raise and not one that is proportional to the raise that an entry level worker makes.. So, me boy, history shows. But I did not say small, nor large. Just less than that of the very poor. Because, you see, in fact most of those making higher wages are not working multiple jobs or suffering due to inability to pay for reasonable necessities. So, you see, those at very low wages NEED the added income. Those with higher wages would LIKE higher wages. You may want to go to Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Most understand it. Obviously you do not. even though businesses will of course have to raise the price of their goods and services to make up for the increase in labor costs? So, you do not believe in supply and demand. You believe that companies simply respond to costs, and do not try to create maximum returns on revenue? Got it. I believe, you see, that companies maximize prices to maximize revenues and profits. Do you not grasp that means that the buying power of those above minimum wage will actually decline? I grasp, me boy, that the buying power of those affected by the new minimum wage will increase. And that those above it will have little change. As they always do when the minimum wage increases. Based, you see, not on talking points but on economic history. You think they'll be "fine" with that though because it will let entry level people make more? I have been an employee paid above minimum wage several times. I new many like myself. I never knew a single person, myself included, that cared what the wages of those lower than myself did. If they increased it was fine with everyone I knew. I believe you are looking at fictional people, me boy, as proposed by the conservative bat shit crazy con web sites. Not based on anything in the actual real world.

 

[koshergrl]

ppl act as though we have never raised min wage before, and thus no historical record of the results.

 

[Rshermr]

Funny how you Progressives are always talking about how you're "here" for the Middle Class...yet all of your policies to help the poor end up with the Middle Class footing the bill.

So, you actually believe that raising the minimum wage will hurt the middle class. I think you are wrong. Read the information I provided, and try to find an impartial source that suggests the middle class will be hurt. I am sure you will not. That claim is simply from the bat shit crazy con web sites. Not from an actual proven source. It simply is a point that makes con trolls angry. Which they want to be.
Look up multiplier theory, which occurs as a result of added aggregate demand. And then explain again why increased minimum wage hurts the middle class. Jesus.

 

[koshergrl]

Raising the.min wage HISTORICALLY damages the.middle.class, by devaluing their work, and.making it almost impossible to start a business.

 

[Rshermr]

Raising the.min wage HISTORICALLY damages the.middle.class, by devaluing their work, and.making it almost impossible to start a business.

Can you explain. Can you provide you provide proof? I think you are simply pushing dogma, with no truth at all.