What Would Be So Awful About Overturning Roe v. Wade & Saving Unborn Children's Lives?

[P@triot]

So there is a class of people who have the right to use another person’s body against their will. Sounds a bit like slavery.

Slavery is better than murder. Ask the judicial system.

Are you advocating slavery?

No. I’m advocating that your comment is astoundingly desperate and ignorant. It’s not “slavery” to carry a baby in your womb.

Now...why are you openly advocating for murder?

It is when the carrier is being forced to against her will.

Nope. Really. It’s not. Not even close. Not even in the ballpark. The woman could literally lay in bed all day every day. Watch tv. Read a book. Leave if she wants. Stay if she wants. Doesn’t even remotely resemble “slavery”. Stop with the desperate hyperbole.

 

[Asclepias]

Show us where Botney said parents could kill their toddlers. Is this like when you claimed a fetus was an adult female?

Post #223 and reaffirmed in post #232.

Nope. Nothing in those posts say parents have the right to kill toddlers. If they did you would have quoted them.

And then Botney reiterated it for the third time in post #268. So he’s openly admitting it and you’re trying to deny he said what he admits to saying.

Nope. Just checked that post and again there is no mention of parents killing toddlers.

Maybe ask an adult for help?

I think thats what you need to do. Youre the one that claimed a fetus was an adult female.

 

[P@triot]

But, we don't call self defense murder. We don't jail a woman for shooting a rapist.

Exactly. And that woman’s life is not at immediate risk due to that baby in the womb. So do not try to equate abortion to “self defense”. That’s absurd.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

lol. You act as if the baby intentionally, willfully showed up in the mothers womb. That is ludicrous, the baby is 100% innocent, do you understand that?

And the woman is 100% not required to give her body to another. ANYONE!!

If you are so worried about it, you and all the other people who are so desperately concerned about these worthless bastard spawn can carry them in YOUR bodies if you wish.

If the baby can't live outside of the woman's body, TOUGH SHIT!!! SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!

It was the mother's own actions that implicitly invited the baby, therefore baby has the right to be exactly where he or she is.

So, once a woman invites a man to put his penis in her MUST keep ******* until dude gets his?

BULLSHIT!!!

Consent to use her body can be revoked at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

See above. Parents have a moral obligation to care for their child.

They may have a moral obligation, but they should not have a legal obligation. "Moral obligations" are the tools of statists.

So, successful people have a moral obligation to give their money to the poor, by government force? From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? Is that it?

How commie of you. You don't see your inconsistency?

lol. Nice rant, but a true libertarian doesn’t violate the nonaggression principle, and the most basic human right of all, the right to life. You are supporting “might makes right.” Deal with it.

A true libertarian does not demand involuntary servitude by government force.

 

[MisterBeale]

Those against abortion don't know these many woman who want one and never will. they don't know their circumstances and don't care to know. they only want to control what they do. This decision should be between the woman and her doctor and NO ONE ELSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PERIOD!!!

You men out there, would you be okay with the government telling you what medical procedure you could have, or what medication you could take? This is what many of you are advocating for the women of this country, and don't give me this shit about the sanctity of life, especially when your only concern for that "precious life" is until it clears the birth canal.

I have seen many of you telling her to keep her legs closed. Do you whack off every night instead of wanting to have sex with a woman because she chose to do what you told her to do? Or, do you try to have sex with every woman you've ever dated and to hell with that closed legs bullshit?

finally, men can buy condoms at every drug store and grocery store in this country, so why don't you put on one to prevent her from getting pregnant? Oh I know, because it just doesn't feel good! Birth control is a woman's responsibility. Well boys, if you force women to have babies they don't want, then dig deep into your wallets because you will be paying for those "precious babies" for the next 18 years!

Maybe the men should raise them and the women should pay for them. The girls are starting to feed children bad ideas about the way society should work.

 

[Coyote]

So there is a class of people who have the right to use another person’s body against their will. Sounds a bit like slavery.

Slavery is better than murder. Ask the judicial system.

Are you advocating slavery?

No. I’m advocating that your comment is astoundingly desperate and ignorant. It’s not “slavery” to carry a baby in your womb.

Now...why are you openly advocating for murder?

It is when the carrier is being forced to against her will.

Nope. Really. It’s not. Not even close. Not even in the ballpark. The woman could literally lay in bed all day every day. Watch tv. Read a book. Leave if she wants. Stay if she wants. Doesn’t even remotely resemble “slavery”. Stop with the desperate hyperbole.

Ever been pregnant?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Exactly. And that woman’s life is not at immediate risk due to that baby in the womb. So do not try to equate abortion to “self defense”. That’s absurd.

Nor is a woman's life in immediate danger when some dude is ******* her against her will.

But, red on. I said we can do it your way and let the baby live outside of woman's body, if it can.


That's not murder.

 

[buttercup]

lol. You act as if the baby intentionally, willfully showed up in the mothers womb. That is ludicrous, the baby is 100% innocent, do you understand that?

And the woman is 100% not required to give her body to another. ANYONE!!

If you are so worried about it, you and all the other people who are so desperately concerned about these worthless bastard spawn can carry them in YOUR bodies if you wish.

If the baby can't live outside of the woman's body, TOUGH SHIT!!! SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!

It was the mother's own actions that implicitly invited the baby, therefore baby has the right to be exactly where he or she is.

So, once a woman invites a man to put his penis in her MUST keep ******* until dude gets his?

BULLSHIT!!!

Consent to use her body can be revoked at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

See above. Parents have a moral obligation to care for their child.

They may have a moral obligation, but they should not have a legal obligation. "Moral obligations" are the tools of statists.

So, successful people have a moral obligation to give their money to the poor, by government force? From each according to his ability, to each according to his need? Is that it?

How commie of you. You don't see your inconsistency?

lol. Nice rant, but a true libertarian doesn’t violate the nonaggression principle, and the most basic human right of all, the right to life. You are supporting “might makes right.” Deal with it.

A true libertarian does not demand involuntary servitude by government force.

lololol. I'm still thinking that you must be trolling.

If you have no respect for human life, you have no respect for liberty. You are advocating (this is assuming you’re not trolling) “might makes right” and violent killing of the most innocent among us.

Listen to Ron Paul, not only does he understand liberty, he has delivered thousands of babies.

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't watch TV at all.

I'm assuming the mass media is bombarding everyone with scary propaganda stories of Roe v. Wade being overturned?

What do you suppose they have to gain by spreading such lunacy and lies when they know that no such thing is going to happen?

Precedent - Wikipedia

 

[Flopper]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

64%, 66%, and 69%, depending on the poll. of American want Rowe v Wade to stand

 

[oreo]

What exactly would be so awful or terrible about overturning Roe v. Wade, allowing the states to resume control over the issue, and saving thousands or tens of thousands of unborn babies' lives?

Roe v. Wade was based on junk science, junk law, and on the myth of an epidemic of "back alley abortions." Legalized elective abortion is far more of a stain on our nation's history than slavery was. The number of babies killed by abortion dwarfs the number of slaves who were killed by abusive slaveholders.

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, state governments would retake control of the issue. Some states would legalize all abortion except partial-birth abortion (which is illegal under federal law). Other states would place significant restrictions on abortion. And some states would ban most or all abortions. Undoubtedly, thousands or tens of thousands of babies would be saved from abortion.

If women were really determined to kill their babies for their own convenience (i.e., elective abortion), they could always go to a state where elective abortion were legal.

Debunking the myth of ‘back-alley’ abortions

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Chilean Study Proves that Outlawing Abortion Does Not Lead to "Coat-hanger Deaths"

https://www.mccl.org/single-post/2017/01/20/The-three-fundamental-problems-with-Roe-v-Wade

Science Has Advanced Since Roe v. Wade But Abortion Laws Haven’t

It's a scientific fact: Human life begins at conception

Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

When Does Life Begin | Just The Facts

You apparently have this very misguided perception that it is the government--(or what you say as a state right) to interfere into the very private and personal lives of women and the decisions they make.

Which is exactly why the U.S. Supreme court exists. To stop you, the Federal Government, including states from doing that.

 

[Borillar]

What would be better than straining our overburdened social services even further?

There is nothing funnier than listening to socialists whine about the problems their idiotic ideology - and subsequent policies - created.

Yeah, we should do away with the social safety net and force poor people to have more kids. Maybe they can sell them to rich folks as slaves.

 

[Asclepias]

What would be better than straining our overburdened social services even further?

There is nothing funnier than listening to socialists whine about the problems their idiotic ideology - and subsequent policies - created.

Yeah, we should do away with the social safety net and force poor people to have more kids. Maybe they can sell them to rich folks as slaves.

Consider the source. This clown P@triot claimed a fetus was an adult female.

 

[2aguy]

Thou shalt not KILL.

Where does that say you are designated as the person to stop all killing? Its a personal commandment, not a license to interfere with what someone else is doing.

Where did you get the idea that you can just kill your baby is the better question ??

From the fact that a womans body is her property? Now can you answer my question instead of deflecting?

What was your question ? The 40 ways to end your unborn babies life ?

You cant read what you replied to? Here you go.

Where does that say (in the bible) you are designated as the person to stop all killing?

He said this...

Genesis 9:6 (ASV) Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: For in the image of God made he man.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If you have no respect for human life, you have no respect for liberty. You are advocating (this is assuming you’re not trolling) “might makes right” and violent killing of the most innocent among us.

Government force. Doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Did you track down the fathers of those children?

Burn...

You gotta admit that was a good burn, Asclepias.

 

[buttercup]

If you have no respect for human life, you have no respect for liberty. You are advocating (this is assuming you’re not trolling) “might makes right” and violent killing of the most innocent among us.

Government force. Doesn't get any more libertarian than that.

I actually didn’t say anything about government. But I am saying this, a true libertarian doesn’t advocate violation of the nonaggression principle, “might makes right” and trampling on the most precious, basic right of all… the right to life. Without a respect for human life, you cannot have liberty.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I actually didn’t say anything about government. But I am saying this, a true libertarian doesn’t advocate violation of the nonaggression principle, “might makes right” and trampling on the most precious, basic right of all… the right to life. Without a respect for human life, you cannot have liberty.

Nothing is more "might makes right" than the all-powerful, military and police controlling government forcing individuals to carry and birth an unwanted child.

What happens if a woman aborts a pregnancy and doing so is illegal? Might makes right. BOOM.

 

[Asclepias]

This whole issue could easily be solved by contraception. It would fix the issue. Slot less pregnancies would please both sides.

Contraception doesnt always work. Every single one of my children were conceived while the mother was on contraception.

Did you track down the fathers of those children?

Are you saying that I need to track myself down? Youre not making sense.

 

[Asclepias]

Did you track down the fathers of those children?

Burn...

You gotta admit that was a good burn, Asclepias.

I actually didnt get it.